Leica R Series Lenses
p.215 #1Leica R Series Lenses
The E60 has smoother boke than both E55 and 80 Lux, IMO.
Sep 16, 2013 at 11:05 AM
p.215 #3Leica R Series Lenses
carstenw wrote:
The E60 has smoother boke than both E55 and 80 Lux, IMO.
i dont have chnace to test the e60.
can show sample pic?
Thanks!
The E60 has smoother boke than both E55 and 80 Lux, IMO.
i dont have chnace to test the e60.
can show sample pic?
Thanks!
Sep 17, 2013 at 09:07 AM
p.215 #4Leica R Series Lenses
xenon99 wrote:
i dont have chnace to test the e60.
can show sample pic?
Thanks!
I agree with Carstenw's view on 50lux E60. It has special character not seen from other 50mm lens. 80lux is smooth, but for short tele, it is not uncommon. The problem is price, that E60 is too damn expensive now.
You won't find many samples from that lens for its price, but alex/Worldinlens have shown many shots that E60 capable for in this thread.
80mm–200mm f/4 Vario-Elmar-R
at f4?
35lux R
carstenw wrote
The E60 has smoother boke than both E55 and 80 Lux, IMO.can show sample pic?
Thanks!
I agree with Carstenw's view on 50lux E60. It has special character not seen from other 50mm lens. 80lux is smooth, but for short tele, it is not uncommon. The problem is price, that E60 is too damn expensive now.
You won't find many samples from that lens for its price, but alex/Worldinlens have shown many shots that E60 capable for in this thread.
80mm–200mm f/4 Vario-Elmar-R
at f4?
35lux R
Sep 17, 2013 at 11:35 AM
p.215 #5Leica R Series Lenses
A quick 8 image stitch using the 180/3.4 Telyt APO on my D800:
A lot of post processing work to bring this out as it was very very hazy and contrast was especially low.
A lot of post processing work to bring this out as it was very very hazy and contrast was especially low.
Sep 17, 2013 at 08:02 PM
p.215 #6Leica R Series Lenses
thanks for the info...im selling my leica r lux 50mm e55 serial 36xxxx, now aim for e60.
anyone?
anyone?
Sep 17, 2013 at 10:14 PM
p.215 #7Leica R Series Lenses
xenon99 wrote: ...now aim for {Summilux-R 50] e60
You do realize that a camera or a lens modifications [shaving] may be needed in order to clear mirror if shooting DSLR? Check Alex's (Worldinlens) site for more info and services.
The good news is that there are many samples of this lens on eBay in excellent condition so you shouldn't have any problems finding one and sending it for a 'surgery'.
Good luck and I hope to see your initial test shots soon as I have interest in this lens as well.
You do realize that a camera or a lens modifications [shaving] may be needed in order to clear mirror if shooting DSLR? Check Alex's (Worldinlens) site for more info and services.
The good news is that there are many samples of this lens on eBay in excellent condition so you shouldn't have any problems finding one and sending it for a 'surgery'.
Good luck and I hope to see your initial test shots soon as I have interest in this lens as well.
Sep 17, 2013 at 10:43 PM
p.215 #8Leica R Series Lenses
JaKo wrote:
You do realize that a camera or a lens modifications [shaving] may be needed in order to clear mirror if shooting DSLR? Check Alex's (Worldinlens) site for more info and services.
The good news is that there are many samples of this lens on eBay in excellent condition so you shouldn't have any problems finding one and sending it for a 'surgery'.
Good luck and I hope to see your initial test shots soon as I have interest in this lens as well.
Im using nex 6. so should be ok.
the price just check, now i have problem, the price is expensive for my level. T.T
btw, need to sell lux e55 before buy any new toys.
im also considering the other lens ms-optic sonnetar 50mm f1.1 m mount.
Earlier quote
xenon99 wrote: ...now aim for {Summilux-R 50] e60The good news is that there are many samples of this lens on eBay in excellent condition so you shouldn't have any problems finding one and sending it for a 'surgery'.
Good luck and I hope to see your initial test shots soon as I have interest in this lens as well.
Im using nex 6. so should be ok.
the price just check, now i have problem, the price is expensive for my level. T.T
btw, need to sell lux e55 before buy any new toys.
im also considering the other lens ms-optic sonnetar 50mm f1.1 m mount.
Sep 17, 2013 at 10:56 PM
p.215 #9Leica R Series Lenses
Michael : nice set, the first two are priceless memories!
50 Cron :
50 Cron :
Sep 18, 2013 at 05:46 AM
p.215 #10Leica R Series Lenses
carstenw wrote:
The E60 has smoother boke than both E55 and 80 Lux, IMO.
LoL. That is a very big blanket statement.
The Lux 50/E60 has a "different" Bokeh compared with the Lux 80.
Smoother? I don't know. But interesting situation.
Can you substantiate your statement or are you looking at different pics over the net?
Your statement made me curious and I just had to test it and shot these 2 pics as a quick and dirty.
No CC or PP only cropping for size. The sides are irrelevant.
This is by no means a pro test but more of a dipstick test.
Even as such, the comparison would not be fair in view of the compression of the 50mm v 80mm.
Pics are with the 50/E60 WO and the Lux 80 WO.
Which is which and which do I prefer? I am not sure which is smoother? It is not fair to say as the focal compression changes the game. The Lux 80 does show a smoother DoP but the overall image of the Lux 50 is more smooth. Test as done is not conclusive. I need more and better testing.
I only did this on the spur of the moment.
Unfortunately, I put away my equipment as a better test would be to have a 3 stage DoP as here I only have FG and MG. I need to reshoot FG - MG - BG.
The whole picture is different with each of these 2 lenses and one should not look strictly at a particular segment.
As stated earlier, this test is by no means conclusive and only shows that we have to be careful before making blanket statements.
As for the Lux 50/E60 and the Cron 50/E55. The DoP is definitely smoother on the Lux 50/E60 as shown here. Both lenses at f2.
But, hey it is all good fun.
The E60 has smoother boke than both E55 and 80 Lux, IMO.
LoL. That is a very big blanket statement.
The Lux 50/E60 has a "different" Bokeh compared with the Lux 80.
Smoother? I don't know. But interesting situation.
Can you substantiate your statement or are you looking at different pics over the net?
Your statement made me curious and I just had to test it and shot these 2 pics as a quick and dirty.
No CC or PP only cropping for size. The sides are irrelevant.
This is by no means a pro test but more of a dipstick test.
Even as such, the comparison would not be fair in view of the compression of the 50mm v 80mm.
Pics are with the 50/E60 WO and the Lux 80 WO.
Which is which and which do I prefer? I am not sure which is smoother? It is not fair to say as the focal compression changes the game. The Lux 80 does show a smoother DoP but the overall image of the Lux 50 is more smooth. Test as done is not conclusive. I need more and better testing.
I only did this on the spur of the moment.
Unfortunately, I put away my equipment as a better test would be to have a 3 stage DoP as here I only have FG and MG. I need to reshoot FG - MG - BG.
The whole picture is different with each of these 2 lenses and one should not look strictly at a particular segment.
As stated earlier, this test is by no means conclusive and only shows that we have to be careful before making blanket statements.
As for the Lux 50/E60 and the Cron 50/E55. The DoP is definitely smoother on the Lux 50/E60 as shown here. Both lenses at f2.
But, hey it is all good fun.
Sep 18, 2013 at 06:29 AM
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p.215 #11Leica R Series Lenses
I don't think that anyone would dispute that the E55 is the loser here, where smoothness is concerned.
I owned the 80 Lux for some time, and had my hands on the E60 for some time, although I did not own it. The 80 Lux is a fantastic lens, and one of my favorites of all time, but in some lighting scenarios it could have quite harsh boke. It also has more CA, IIRC. The E60 is not perfect, but it is overall just an amazingly well behaved lens with beautiful boke. Of all 50s I have tried, I only like the 50 Lux M ASPH better, in the department of smooth boke. There is a lot to say for the variants of the 50 Planar as well though, but it doesn't have as smooth boke by far.
I guess if you want to torture test the boke (which is really the only place where there is a qualitative preference of the E60 over the 80 Lux), put bright lights in the background. Christmas lights, sun-lit branches against the sky, metal fences, those kinds of scenes.
I owned the 80 Lux for some time, and had my hands on the E60 for some time, although I did not own it. The 80 Lux is a fantastic lens, and one of my favorites of all time, but in some lighting scenarios it could have quite harsh boke. It also has more CA, IIRC. The E60 is not perfect, but it is overall just an amazingly well behaved lens with beautiful boke. Of all 50s I have tried, I only like the 50 Lux M ASPH better, in the department of smooth boke. There is a lot to say for the variants of the 50 Planar as well though, but it doesn't have as smooth boke by far.
I guess if you want to torture test the boke (which is really the only place where there is a qualitative preference of the E60 over the 80 Lux), put bright lights in the background. Christmas lights, sun-lit branches against the sky, metal fences, those kinds of scenes.
Sep 18, 2013 at 06:46 AM
p.215 #12Leica R Series Lenses
Thanks for the info!!!
The pic below is lux 80?
Sep 18, 2013 at 07:32 AM
p.215 #13Leica R Series Lenses
sebboh wrote:
not typically a fan of bifs especially over open sky, but i love ravens. both with the 350/4.8 heavily cropped:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3697/9768661394_1373e2096e_o.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2816/9768662886_45536a43cc_o.jpg
Huh Sebboh, it was your bl****y raven shot with the FL55/1.2 that pretty much got me well-hooked on this whole major alt lens journey
great shots as usual...
not typically a fan of bifs especially over open sky, but i love ravens. both with the 350/4.8 heavily cropped:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3697/9768661394_1373e2096e_o.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2816/9768662886_45536a43cc_o.jpg
Huh Sebboh, it was your bl****y raven shot with the FL55/1.2 that pretty much got me well-hooked on this whole major alt lens journey
great shots as usual...
Sep 18, 2013 at 07:39 AM
p.215 #14Leica R Series Lenses
xenon99 wrote:
Thanks for the info!!!
The pic below is lux 80?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/Duke_1/_DSC7815.jpg
No. it is the 50/E60. Exif is present in all pics.
Thanks for the info!!!
The pic below is lux 80?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/Duke_1/_DSC7815.jpg
No. it is the 50/E60. Exif is present in all pics.
Sep 18, 2013 at 08:06 AM
p.215 #15Leica R Series Lenses
Almass wrote:
The pic below is lux 80?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/Duke_1/_DSC7815.jpgNo. it is the 50/E60. Exif is present in all pics.
hahaha good! i like the lux 80 bokeh!
seems like the bokeh almost same like E60.
Btw thanks for the info!
xenon99 wrote
Thanks for the info!!!The pic below is lux 80?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/Duke_1/_DSC7815.jpg
hahaha good! i like the lux 80 bokeh!
seems like the bokeh almost same like E60.
Btw thanks for the info!
Sep 18, 2013 at 08:14 AM
p.215 #16Leica R Series Lenses
lenticular11 wrote:
Huh Sebboh, it was your bl****y raven shot with the FL55/1.2 that pretty much got me well-hooked on this whole major alt lens journey
great shots as usual...
thanks! i love bird shots, just not typically BIF shots, which i tend to find boring due to the lack of environment. if you can position yourself above the BIF things get more interesting.
also, just to be pedantic the FL55 shot was a crow while these were ravens.
sebboh wrote
not typically a fan of bifs especially over open sky, but i love ravens. both with the 350/4.8 heavily cropped:great shots as usual...
thanks! i love bird shots, just not typically BIF shots, which i tend to find boring due to the lack of environment. if you can position yourself above the BIF things get more interesting.
also, just to be pedantic the FL55 shot was a crow while these were ravens.
Sep 18, 2013 at 01:41 PM
p.215 #17Leica R Series Lenses
Crow or Raven? Raven or Crow?? this gives my headache 
In Chinese tradition, it is a sign of unlucky and symbol of death. But aren't these bird smart and brave? some Google search bring me some amazing video about this creature.
In Chinese tradition, it is a sign of unlucky and symbol of death. But aren't these bird smart and brave? some Google search bring me some amazing video about this creature.
Sep 18, 2013 at 02:47 PM
p.215 #18Leica R Series Lenses
zhangyue wrote:
Crow or Raven? Raven or Crow?? this gives my headache
In Chinese tradition, it is a sign of unlucky and symbol of death. But aren't these bird smart and brave? some Google search bring me some amazing video about this creature.
yes, corvids (the family of birds ravens and crows fall into) are extremely intelligent and many appear to do things previously thought impossible for animals such as use tools, plan for the future, hold grudges, and learn grammars. some neuroscientists think they (along with certain types of parrots) rank up with primates and dolphins on the animal intelligence scale.
most ancient cultures regarded both ravens and crows (whichever lived by them) as unlucky and symbolic of death. the reason for this is most likely because the birds quickly learned that battles meant lots of fresh carrion and would follow armies around waiting for the banquet. people tend not to have warm feelings for animals that follow them around waiting for them to die a violent death so they can feast on their entrails. there's also considerable evidence that ravens will actually lead coyotes and wolves to carcasses that their beaks are not strong enough to puncture the hide of themselves.
regarding the difference between them, ravens are nearly twice as large as crows (the size of a falcon or small hawk) and tend to live in small nuclear families away from people while crows tend to form bigger gangs and are more likely to live in cities. both are quite common in the bay area.
/tangent
Crow or Raven? Raven or Crow?? this gives my headache
In Chinese tradition, it is a sign of unlucky and symbol of death. But aren't these bird smart and brave? some Google search bring me some amazing video about this creature.
yes, corvids (the family of birds ravens and crows fall into) are extremely intelligent and many appear to do things previously thought impossible for animals such as use tools, plan for the future, hold grudges, and learn grammars. some neuroscientists think they (along with certain types of parrots) rank up with primates and dolphins on the animal intelligence scale.
most ancient cultures regarded both ravens and crows (whichever lived by them) as unlucky and symbolic of death. the reason for this is most likely because the birds quickly learned that battles meant lots of fresh carrion and would follow armies around waiting for the banquet. people tend not to have warm feelings for animals that follow them around waiting for them to die a violent death so they can feast on their entrails. there's also considerable evidence that ravens will actually lead coyotes and wolves to carcasses that their beaks are not strong enough to puncture the hide of themselves.
regarding the difference between them, ravens are nearly twice as large as crows (the size of a falcon or small hawk) and tend to live in small nuclear families away from people while crows tend to form bigger gangs and are more likely to live in cities. both are quite common in the bay area.
/tangent
Sep 18, 2013 at 03:12 PM
p.215 #19Leica R Series Lenses
The collective noun for crows is 'murder'. It's spooky when you see 20 or 30 at a time, especially when they are watching you.
I'd love to have one as a pet as they are amazing animals, however I don't think I could ever sleep around one having seen them eat the eyes out of new born lambs. I think eye jelly is like Parfait for crows!
I'd love to have one as a pet as they are amazing animals, however I don't think I could ever sleep around one having seen them eat the eyes out of new born lambs. I think eye jelly is like Parfait for crows!
Sep 18, 2013 at 04:22 PM
p.215 #20Leica R Series Lenses
sebboh wrote:
most ancient cultures regarded both ravens and crows (whichever lived by them) as unlucky and symbolic of death.
I thought that was only for crows. At least ravens are in some places thought of as embodying wisdom.
most ancient cultures regarded both ravens and crows (whichever lived by them) as unlucky and symbolic of death.
I thought that was only for crows. At least ravens are in some places thought of as embodying wisdom.
Sep 18, 2013 at 04:35 PM