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p.16 #1 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


One more from the same session as the one above, this time developed in photo desk. I hardly had to edit anything, almost out of the camera and converter...
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ZTbopKGS_5Y/TOHLaImRROI/AAAAAAAABUo/x-kNQNPCqrM/Studio%202.jpg

regards
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Nov 15, 2010 at 07:11 PM
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p.16 #2 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


Here is an image I liked from last weekend. Zeiss 100 MP.

http://throughthelensdarkly.com/forums/kodak/CW_20101114_KodakSLRn_33574.jpg

I made two photos, one at ISO 6 (this one) and one at ISO 160. Both look great, but they look slightly different. The ISO 6 photo is a little more contrasty, but they have exactly the same sharpness and noise. I think I will just use ISO 160 from now on. Does anyone see any improvements in ISO 6 photos, and if so, under what circumstances?



Nov 18, 2010 at 04:30 PM
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p.16 #3 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


I have never used the ISO 6 .....
I gotta try that sometimes.....


So, what is your impression of the camera's output so far, comparing it to other modern DSLR?



Nov 19, 2010 at 01:05 PM
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p.16 #4 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


Using ISO 6 is tricky. You have only three shutter speeds, which means that unless you are lucky, you need to use ND filters, or lose your control of the aperture. This shot was done at f/22, which I would normally never do. Otherwise I couldn't have done it. It was a very normal, overcast day.

Well, I am disappointed with the purple fringes I sometimes get. The corrupted images after startup I am okay with, as I can just wait another few seconds.

The colours seem a little flat sometimes, but I think I need to retrain my eye. There are a lot of very punchy colours in this forum, and I have to reacquaint myself with what real colours look like. When I try to look neutrally at the images, the colours look quite natural and relaxed.

It took a little looking, but the Kodak shots are definitely sharper than my D3 shots, not only due to the extra 2MP, but also due to the lack of an AA filter. The weird thing is that when I zoom right in, there is this odd look, like watercolour or little worms, but if I view at 50% (i.e. closer to what a print would show), they are fantastically sharp. The D3 is quite sharp, but this is another notch above that.

What I also find a little disappointing is the italian flag thing and moire in general. It happens so easily, and I see it right away in many images, even just images of trees with italian leaves. Bernie has a couple of dramatic examples of this.

It is also a bit of a pain to work with lenses which aren't chipped. My 100MP is a ZF.2, but my 21 is a ZF. I will sell it and buy a ZF.2 but it is a pain having to look for a buyer, negotiating a decent price, and so on. If anyone here is interested in a ZF in very good condition, in Europe, please PM me. I would love to avoid the whole stress of trading.

I am currently also missing something in the middle. 21 to 100 is a big gap, and my Nikkor 60 AF-S doesn't really fit with the two Zeiss lenses, look- and colour-wise. I am considering either a 50MP or ZF35/2, or possibly the upcoming ZF35/1.4.

Overall, I am still a little on the fence with the camera. It delivers nice results, and I bought it for use on the tripod anyway, but the purple fringes and moire are much more intrusive than I thought they would be. I will keep it for a bit and see how it goes, but I am a tad skeptical. It doesn't make it any easier that the D3 is such an awesome camera. I love the shape, the operation, the results, and almost everything about it. That final bit of sharpness and the natural colours are missing a bit though, which is why I decided to try the Kodak.



Nov 19, 2010 at 01:55 PM
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p.16 #5 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


Question: is it feasible to (partially) remove the rubber, and re-glue it with some kind of glue? What kind?


Nov 19, 2010 at 05:28 PM
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p.16 #6 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


I just found something called Pliobond and ordered it from micro-tools.de, as well as a camera repair handbook and a full sensor cleaning kit with rocket blower, pec pads and eclipse fluid. I think I am set


Nov 19, 2010 at 06:16 PM
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p.16 #7 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


Paul Yi wrote:
I have never used the ISO 6 .....
I gotta try that sometimes.....

So, what is your impression of the camera's output so far, comparing it to other modern DSLR?



There's not just ISO6, but many others between ISO6 and ISO160. To get the best result I would use a polarizer, and the lens aperture to adjust exposure. The only time I needed a ND filter was when I was shooting into the sun.

Read the manual carefully on using ISO 6. I used to get some poor results until I learned to use it correctly. Also, it is much better to underexpose, than go over by any amount. The shadows are noise free.



Nov 20, 2010 at 04:16 AM
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p.16 #8 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


OK, I'm looking through my WEB jpg's for some ISO6 examples. This isn't one but it does show the great color the camera is capable of (Nikon 20/4):

http://www.imaginenature.com/oregon_coast_20mm.jpg



Nov 20, 2010 at 04:22 AM
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p.16 #9 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


Here's an ISO 6 one. Ot bad, but I have some better ones. I should mention that these are all a couple years old, and my PP skills have much improved since then. They needed to for my Canon 5dII

http://www.imaginenature.com/audio/FL2H8882.jpg



Nov 20, 2010 at 04:35 AM
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p.16 #10 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


mortyb wrote:
BTW, my SLR/c doesn't work with SanDisk Ultra II cards. Lexars are all fine.


I did try formating and doing a secure erase on my Ultra III 8GB. After waiting for close to 40 minutes for the secure erase to complete, it returns with a "card not supported" error. I think the speed of the camera is too slow to work with anything bigger than 4GB. But if anyone can tell me they have no problem with 8/16/32 GB cards and the particular brand and model. It will be much appreciated.



Nov 20, 2010 at 06:07 AM
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p.16 #11 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


No, I use Lexar 8 Gig without any problems at all. It is the Sandisk cards that are troublesome. I got the same error message as you.


Nov 20, 2010 at 06:10 AM
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p.16 #12 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


SLR/c + N17-35 @ 17mm

indoor but the combo makes it looks like outdoor
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4086/5169275518_4660a85bc9_b.jpg

Louis Vuitton...
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5168676063_bb688dec64_b.jpg

By the way, how does your LCD looks. Mine has a terrible greenish cast and totally cannot be used to review images. I don't know if this is normal or my LCD is dying on me.



Nov 20, 2010 at 06:10 AM
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p.16 #13 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


pdmphoto wrote:
There's not just ISO6, but many others between ISO6 and ISO160. To get the best result I would use a polarizer, and the lens aperture to adjust exposure. The only time I needed a ND filter was when I was shooting into the sun.


Yes, there is ISO 6, 12, 25 and 50. Unfortunately the shutter speeds adjust with ISO so that you are essentially getting the same possibilities all the time, apart from the one extra time at ISO 12. For example, ISO 12 has 8, 15, 30 and 60s, whereas ISO 25 has 4, 8, 15 and 30 seconds, the exact same exposures. Not the most useful strategy, given that ISO 6 and 12 are very clean and 25 and 50 are reputed to have some banding in some cases. In other words, always using ISO 160 or 12 (and completely skipping 6, 25 and 50) doesn't lose you anything in flexibility. The times correspond roughly to a very dim day with an f/2 lens wide open, and down to dusk, but not night. Pretty limited, but probably perfect for river shots like yours, with all the foliage cutting the light.

It is true that if you don't require tight control of the aperture, that is the easiest way to set the exposure, but then your depth of field is restricted by the amount of light present. If you want total creative freedom, you need ND filters.



Nov 20, 2010 at 06:25 AM
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p.16 #14 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


ManWearPants wrote:
By the way, how does your LCD looks. Mine has a terrible greenish cast and totally cannot be used to review images. I don't know if this is normal or my LCD is dying on me.


My SLR/n LCD is okay. With certain settings, I can make the photo approach the real scene in look, colour-wise much better than my Nikon D3, but not as sharp or bright.



Nov 20, 2010 at 06:28 AM
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p.16 #15 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


Haven't really noticed any cast - but of course it's small, low-rez and no way near color accurate. I use it for menus, histogram and focus check after a shot.


Nov 20, 2010 at 06:28 AM
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p.16 #16 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


ok. That means I have a crappy LCD. Mine defintely can't be used to gauge exposure or colours except using histogram. I have switched review off since it'll also make writing to CF card faster. So now I am treating my SLR/c like a film. Shoot and only know the result during processing.

Anyone using more than 8GB CF card?



Nov 20, 2010 at 12:30 PM
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p.16 #17 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


Here is another photo from last weekend which I liked:

http://throughthelensdarkly.com/forums/kodak/CW_20101114_KodakSLRn_33575.jpg

I was trying to push a little more contrast into only the bright tones of the central gravestone, but my Aperture skills are insufficient. Hints appreciated.



Nov 20, 2010 at 05:36 PM
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p.16 #18 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


Cartsen - nice as is. What lens?

Here's ome of my first ISO6 attempts:

http://www.imaginenature.com/audio/FL2C0551small.jpg



Nov 20, 2010 at 09:54 PM
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p.16 #19 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


Great colour and detail, Paul! Do you see any difference from ISO 160?

I used the Zeiss 100MP for the previous shot.



Nov 21, 2010 at 02:23 AM
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p.16 #20 · Kodak SLR Image Thread


one SLR/c just went for $1.9k. Wow! Now I really don't mind my greenish LCD

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=230551554837&si=%252BXDmJw9vaTCNpNZaGTmnMu8SxI8%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT



Nov 21, 2010 at 05:50 AM
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