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wayne seltzer
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p.2 #1 · Planar, Distagon, Sonnar


You also forgot Biotar. my favorite for swirly bokeh. Need to get one of those one day.

Here is what I found for Biotar:

A modern camera lens which is a modified Gauss objective with a large aperture and a field of about 24°.

Not sure if this is correct.



Mar 31, 2010 at 07:31 PM
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p.2 #2 · Planar, Distagon, Sonnar


Wayne, it looks more like a Sonnar than a Planar though - the 75/1.5 Biotar.

EDIT: my bad, it is planar derived - see link in next post.

http://www.taunusreiter.de/Cameras/Biotar1.4-75mm.jpg

And incidentally the Pre-AI 85mm f/1.8 nikkor looks oddly similar.

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/preAI70/85mmpreAIopt.gif

Edited on Apr 01, 2010 at 05:16 AM · View previous versions



Apr 01, 2010 at 05:04 AM
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p.2 #3 · Planar, Distagon, Sonnar


Check this page out for a lot of lens design history! With plenty of lens diagrams.

http://www.taunusreiter.de/Cameras/Biotar_en.html



Apr 01, 2010 at 05:08 AM
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p.2 #4 · Planar, Distagon, Sonnar


thrice wrote:
The Cooke Triplet dates to 1893, the Zeiss tessar dates to 1902. The difference is cementing an additional element into the rear group, otherwise identical. Wikipedia gives a much more elaborate and glorifying (to Paul Rudolph - Zeiss designer) path to discovery, but no matter his path to the Tessar design, it is extremely similar to a Cooke Triplet.

Similarly the Heliar design is like a Tessar with a cemented doublet at the front as well as the back, but they do admit their lineage to the Cooke Triplet.


Absolutely. These designs to share a lot of similarities. Which is why I mentioned all 3 in the same paragraph Like I said, the Tessar is not derived from the Cooke Triplet, yet the Heliar is.

The point I was trying to make though is the path to that design is important when you say something like, 'the Tessar is a modified Cooke Triplet.' That's not exactly true...



Apr 01, 2010 at 07:28 AM
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p.2 #5 · Planar, Distagon, Sonnar


BennyR wrote:
Maybe Distagon was made in a land far away.

Thanks Jordan

Contax? Same outfit?


It is Jamaican, referring to money...

"Dis ta gon mon"



Apr 01, 2010 at 08:03 AM
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p.2 #6 · Planar, Distagon, Sonnar


thrice wrote:
Not many 'real' Tessar's around these days are there? Isn't it a modified Cooke Triplet design?


Tessar's should be a 4 element design, by virtue of their name
Tessar comes from Tesser, which is greek for 4. Don't question me on this one, I know this for a fact. :P [tesseract = 4 rays].

Tessars are actually dual cemented doublets.

Cableaddict wrote:
While we're on the subject, someone should explain Jenna & Flektagon.


Jena is from where the Factory is.



Apr 01, 2010 at 09:30 AM
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p.2 #7 · Planar, Distagon, Sonnar


Jos Tesseract wrote:
Tessars are actually dual cemented doublets.


4 elements, 3 groups, rear cemented doublet. Heliar is 5 elements, 3 groups - front and rear cemented doublet. This has already been covered in this thread.

Jos Tesseract wrote:
Jena is from where the Factory was.


This has also been covered.



Apr 01, 2010 at 11:49 AM
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p.2 #8 · Planar, Distagon, Sonnar


thrice wrote:
Check this page out for a lot of lens design history! With plenty of lens diagrams.

http://www.taunusreiter.de/Cameras/Biotar_en.html


Thanks Dan! Interesting stuff!



Apr 01, 2010 at 09:06 PM
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