Steve Ickes
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iggyfenton wrote:
Even the thread poster has said that people wanting a better angle are not worthy. But if you pay a photographer to get there, then that's ok.
Look "iggy".... part of the problem with these "discussions" is that a number of individuals are always willing to manipulate what is or isn't actually said in order to serve their purpose. I really don't understand it because I haven't really read anything here that isn't direct, to the point, and easy to comprehend.
Personally, I don't recall anyone saying someone wasn't "worthy". What was factually stated is that if all you are interested in is in getting a better angle in order to get some photos you can show around to your friends, that is not a valid reason to need a credential. That an OPINION, shared by more than a few here. No one has stated that in order to obtain a credential you MUST do it our way. Actually what has been stated, many times over, is that there is a PROPER and PROFESSIONAL way to get credentialed. Many of us simply do not agree that some of the other strategies proposed are good for our industry or good for the photographer.
We're elitist because we simply feel that anyone who is shooting for publication of any kind should be fairly compensated? We're elitist because we're tired of seeing media distribution companies, publications, and agencies whose sole purpose is to make money continue to prey on the photographic community? Elitist? No. Protectionist? Possibly, but protectionist of an art, craft, and industry that we are ALL a part of or aspire to be a part of.
What you don't understand is that "these guys", the "elitist" pros aren't here presenting their points of view because they don't like non-pros or are trying to have them banished from the sidelines. That's a huge misconception and one that seems to be constantly perpetuated by the same handful of people. The vast majority of them are largely unaffected by PWAC's. Guys like Rick, myself, Scott Sewell, Benjamin Munn, Paul Alesse, Hammy, Luke, Carl Auer, James Broome, Ted Ellis, Andrew Fielding, Dann Wunderlich, and so many others have their businesses and clients and aren't trying to scratch out a living by battling it out with some amateur along the sidelines of a PeeWee football game. Honestly in my experience, I've never had another professional photographer go crying to an AD, SID, or media representative about my presence on a sideline or in a photo well. The ONLY ones I've ever seen complain, the ONLY ones who ever seem to be threatened are those whose opinions of themselves and sense of self-importance far exceeds their actual experience or abilities. That's not meant to be elitist or sound judgmental, its simply fact based on experience.
So, anyone else? Why do you WANT to get credentialed?
Edited on Mar 19, 2010 at 11:42 PM · View previous versions
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Even then I don't feel that I have to "tolerate" them because in all cases they're doing their job and I'm doing mine so no problems.