p.1 #2 · Poll: Is a computer essential to digital photography?
Definitely. How many photographers get nail the exposure every time straight out of the camera? Besides basic exposure adjustments, I routinely clone, mask, saturate, —etc.— photos. To answer the question simply, I find a computer extremely essential to my photography.
p.1 #4 · Poll: Is a computer essential to digital photography?
EB-1 wrote:
It is essential to viewing FM. Is this another bogus thread by the crowd that wants to turn FM into the sleazy Craigslist?
EBH
lol,no. Just having some fun watching folks who think computers are essential to their photographic pastimes refuse to allow one of their most important tools with respect to those pastimes be sold on FM. From a logical standpoint, that is (there's logic, and then there's logic...)
p.1 #5 · Poll: Is a computer essential to digital photography?
EB-1 wrote:
It is essential to viewing FM. Is this another bogus thread by the crowd that wants to turn FM into the sleazy Craigslist?
EBH
Of course it is, and the OP is fooling no one by claiming it isn't. The guy's been around for one year and has less than 200 posts. He has absolutely no clue what it was like before Fred made this a B&S forum solely for photo gear.
What a worthless poll. It's like asking, "is a lens important to a DSLR?" Well, duh. A better question would be, "do you use your computer for nothing--absolutely nothing--other than for photography?" That question would barely be more useful and accurate than the one in this thread.
p.1 #6 · Poll: Is a computer essential to digital photography?
A better question would be, "do you use your computer for nothing—absolutely nothing— other than for photography?"
+1
And if this thread is directed at trying to allow computers on B&S, then here's what I have to say. If computers are allowed, then lots of things will have to be allowed that are related to computers. And that would just clutter the 'photography' buy and sell forum.
p.1 #8 · Poll: Is a computer essential to digital photography?
Scott Sewell wrote:
Of course it is, and the OP is fooling no one by claiming it isn't. The guy's been around for one year and has less than 200 posts. He has absolutely no clue what it was like before Fred made this a B&S forum solely for photo gear.
What a worthless poll. It's like asking, "is a lens important to a DSLR?" Well, duh. A better question would be, "do you use your computer for nothing--absolutely nothing--other than for photography?" That question would barely be more useful and accurate than the one in this thread.
p.1 #10 · Poll: Is a computer essential to digital photography?
Like I said Scott, I could care less if computers are sold on FM. I own one computer, it's state of the art, and am not looking to part with it nor looking for another one. I just find the argument between those who are pro and con regarding these sales interesting from the persepective of social psychology.
Scott Sewell wrote:
Of course it is, and the OP is fooling no one by claiming it isn't. The guy's been around for one year and has less than 200 posts. He has absolutely no clue what it was like before Fred made this a B&S forum solely for photo gear.
What a worthless poll. It's like asking, "is a lens important to a DSLR?" Well, duh. A better question would be, "do you use your computer for nothing--absolutely nothing--other than for photography?" That question would barely be more useful and accurate than the one in this thread.
p.1 #11 · Poll: Is a computer essential to digital photography?
I've finally seen the light. Obviously we've been thinking about the "purity" of photography the wrong way. Clearly, we need to be rid of monitors, printers AND digital camera bodies and get back to true photography with our film cameras and dark room equipment.
Scott, the warning about chaos that comes from your experience as moderator of the Buy and Sell board during the Wild West days is a bit hysterical. I was there then too and the world didn't come to an end. That you took on the job of herding cats contributes, no doubt, to your intense feelings on this matter. Yet, grown ups eventually took control and we have what exists now. Adding computers is not the return of Beelzebub. It is an acknowledgement that we're in the 21st century where computers are an integral part of the workflow for all but a few film buffs who love the smell of chemicals in the dark room.
And selling computers doesn't turn this site into Craigslist. That's absurd, which, of course, is why the argument is raised in those terms. Ridicule is an easier defense of the status quo than reason. If you doubt me look at the main thread with the suggestion that chairs, cars and computer components are equally relevant to photography. So is your mother and father since they brought you into this world. Perhaps we should add a dating service...
p.1 #12 · Poll: Is a computer essential to digital photography?
CGrindahl wrote:
I've finally seen the light. Obviously we've been thinking about the "purity" of photography the wrong way. Clearly, we need to be rid of monitors, printers AND digital camera bodies and get back to true photography with our film cameras and dark room equipment.
Scott, the warning about chaos that comes from your experience as moderator of the Buy and Sell board during the Wild West days is a bit hysterical. I was there then too and the world didn't come to an end. That you took on the job of herding cats contributes, no doubt, to your intense feelings on this matter. Yet, grown ups eventually took control and we have what exists now. Adding computers is not the return of Beelzebub. It is an acknowledgement that we're in the 21st century where computers are an integral part of the workflow for all but a few film buffs who love the smell of chemicals in the dark room. ...Show more →
Actually, Curtis, I've always believed that this is Fred's site and he can do what he wants. I really don't care; I really don't. I'm just giving my opinion that it will dramatically change the B&S board (and not for the good).
But let's be honest, "grown ups" didn't do anything to change the B&S to the way it is today. Fred did it. You make it sound as though there was this rising where everyone said "enough" and decided to clean up the forums. You and I both know it didn't happen that way, and in my opinion it never would have if Fred had not implemented changes.
Anyone care to make a friendly wager as to which way Fred will go with something like this?
p.1 #17 · Poll: Is a computer essential to digital photography?
Scott Sewell wrote:
...But let's be honest, "grown ups" didn't do anything to change the B&S to the way it is today. Fred did it. You make it sound as though there was this rising where everyone said "enough" and decided to clean up the forums. You and I both know it didn't happen that way, and in my opinion it never would have if Fred had not implemented changes...
Fred made significant changes to the website for a variety of reasons, including the fact it was so cumbersome and slow that everybody was complaining. I've no doubt that when planning for a more fundamental change, the contentiousness of the feelings around the Buy and Sell board was not lost on him and affected the outcome, I'd agree in a positive way. There is now a real limit on bumping by the OP, which addressed the most egregious problem. The feedback mechanism was changed both to permit easier review but also to permit negative feedback to be posted. Forum rules, if changed at all at that time were changed modestly, not dramatically, except perhaps for the fact we must now pay to list an item for sale.
No doubt Fred is the ultimate arbiter of what will appear on this site. But I've also known him to listen to what folks want and to assess the tone of a conversation. I'm not so attached to the idea of listing computers on the board that I'll be piqued if things don't go "my" way. But neither am I a Jeremiah who believes the sky will fall if change actually happens. A good friend who for decades has made his living shooting large frame film who pooh poohed digital when I bought the 5D now takes a NIkon D700 on his month long journeys to take photos for sale to publications such as Audobon and the Sierra Club. He discovered sometimes change is a good thing and embracing it can add to vitality rather than anxiety.
Enough said on this topic, which clearly has ruffled a few feathers, especially among to old faithful members. Such is the nature of conservatism. It likes the status quo and abhors change.
p.1 #18 · Poll: Is a computer essential to digital photography?
haha, this is too funny. A poll made to counter-act my poll. I think majority can agree computers are needed for digital photography, however, I think the majority can agree computers should NOT be sold here.
p.1 #19 · Poll: Is a computer essential to digital photography?
I suspect you're right about how these polls are going to turn out, Ben. Still, I think CGrindahl comes closer to the mark than anyone else. His certainly makes for a well-supported argument, one that probably find its roots in a realm outside what one can only imagine comprises much of your own sphere of infleunce.
p.1 #20 · Poll: Is a computer essential to digital photography?
I prefer the FM B&S board the way it stands now, without getting into a broader type of photography related merchandise and thereby turn into some sort of a grossly overcrowded flea market.
I'd like the board core to remain with lenses and cameras.
No computers, no apparel, no kayaks, no used hiking boots size 13, no lunchboxes and thermos bottles, no folding chairs, no inflatable rafts, no baseball tickets, no Coleman lanterns.
The guy's been around for one year and has less than 200 posts. He has absolutely no clue what it was like before Fred made this a B&S forum solely for photo gear.
A better question would be, "do you use your computer for nothing--absolutely nothing--other than for photography?" That question would barely be more useful and accurate than the one in this thread. 
