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p.9 #1Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
Nick Nishizaka wrote:
How were these processed?
Any sharpning at all, at any level, including defaults from whatever conversion software you are using.
I have found the the focus shift is most apparent when shooting at an angle, not straight up like that.
I shoot JPEG with default standard picture style. Crop with Irfanview, save as JPEG and upload to Flickr. Flickr auto resample it to 1024 pixel wide.
How were these processed?
Any sharpning at all, at any level, including defaults from whatever conversion software you are using.
I have found the the focus shift is most apparent when shooting at an angle, not straight up like that.
I shoot JPEG with default standard picture style. Crop with Irfanview, save as JPEG and upload to Flickr. Flickr auto resample it to 1024 pixel wide.
Mar 03, 2010 at 07:33 PM
p.9 #2Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
That's a whole lot of variables being thrown into the mix to draw any conclusions from...
Mar 03, 2010 at 07:44 PM
p.9 #3Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
Can you suggest how to properly do it then. I am curious. Thanks.
Mar 03, 2010 at 07:49 PM
p.9 #4Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
Here's an animated gif... shot at about 2-3 feet. I tried to focus as best I could on the number '1' in 1.0 TB. At this close distance the lens wide open isn't very sharp, but that's part of its character. Keep an eye on the magenta and green CA. The magenta indicates in front of the point of focus and green is behind. You can see it shift in the barcode below the 1.0 TB lettering. Focus shift seems to be most apparent between f/2.8 and f/4.
Overall shot:
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_1.2_full.jpg
Gif:
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet.gif
Jpegs:
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_1.2.jpg
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_1.4.jpg
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_1.6.jpg
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_1.8.jpg
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_2.0.jpg
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_2.8.jpg
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_4.jpg
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_5.6.jpg
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_8.jpg
Overall shot:
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_1.2_full.jpg
Gif:
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet.gif
Jpegs:
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_1.2.jpg
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_1.4.jpg
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_1.6.jpg
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_1.8.jpg
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_2.0.jpg
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_2.8.jpg
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_4.jpg
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_5.6.jpg
http://www.ronscheffler.com/samples/50mm_2feet_8.jpg
Mar 03, 2010 at 08:39 PM
p.9 #5Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
This evening went to do a bit of golden hour random shooting in a nearby park.
Had a 50mm lens on 40D. No problem with AF accuracy at all.
Here is one 50% crop........f/2.2 at about 5 ft to the target, i.e., the bird's eye.
Edited on Mar 04, 2010 at 07:47 AM · View previous versions
Had a 50mm lens on 40D. No problem with AF accuracy at all.
Here is one 50% crop........f/2.2 at about 5 ft to the target, i.e., the bird's eye.
Edited on Mar 04, 2010 at 07:47 AM · View previous versions
Mar 03, 2010 at 10:08 PM
p.9 #6Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
PetKal wrote:
This evening went to do a bit of golden hour random shooting in a nearby park.
Had a 50mm lens on 40D. No problem with AF accuracy at all.
Here is one 50% crop........f/2.2 at about 5 ft to the target, i.e., the bird's eye.
Peter, it's not fair - your 50L knows this is a handsome Duck so it does adjust itself
This evening went to do a bit of golden hour random shooting in a nearby park.
Had a 50mm lens on 40D. No problem with AF accuracy at all.
Here is one 50% crop........f/2.2 at about 5 ft to the target, i.e., the bird's eye.
Peter, it's not fair - your 50L knows this is a handsome Duck so it does adjust itself
Mar 03, 2010 at 10:29 PM
p.9 #7Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
PetKal wrote:
This evening went to do a bit of golden hour random shooting in a nearby park.
Had a 50mm lens on 40D. No problem with AF accuracy at all.
Here is one 50% crop........f/2.2 at about 5 ft to the target, i.e., the bird's eye.
Which 50mm? As you have many 50mm, lol....1.0? 1.2? 1.4? or 1.8? etc...
As this is a 50/1.2L thread, I guess it's 1.2L?
This evening went to do a bit of golden hour random shooting in a nearby park.
Had a 50mm lens on 40D. No problem with AF accuracy at all.
Here is one 50% crop........f/2.2 at about 5 ft to the target, i.e., the bird's eye.
Which 50mm? As you have many 50mm, lol....1.0? 1.2? 1.4? or 1.8? etc...
As this is a 50/1.2L thread, I guess it's 1.2L?
Mar 03, 2010 at 10:33 PM
p.9 #8Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
Michael and Lide, oops, I might have gotten confused a bit and used another 50mm lens 
......no wonder I had no AF problems.
......no wonder I had no AF problems. Mar 03, 2010 at 10:44 PM
p.9 #9Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
PetKal wrote:
Michael and Lide, oops, I might have gotten confused a bit and used another 50mm lens ......no wonder I had no AF problems.
haha... your new 50/1.8 I ?
Michael and Lide, oops, I might have gotten confused a bit and used another 50mm lens
......no wonder I had no AF problems. haha... your new 50/1.8 I ?
Mar 03, 2010 at 10:48 PM
p.9 #10Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
lidesun wrote:
......no wonder I had no AF problems. haha... your new 50/1.8 I ?
Close.....my new 50 f/1.0.
PetKal wrote
Michael and Lide, oops, I might have gotten confused a bit and used another 50mm lens ......no wonder I had no AF problems. Close.....my new 50 f/1.0.
Mar 03, 2010 at 10:48 PM
p.9 #11Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
PetKal wrote:
......no wonder I had no AF problems. haha... your new 50/1.8 I ?Close.....my new 50 f/1.0.
i'm about to say because of its bokeh. wow, is it the 3rd one
lidesun wrote
PetKal wrote
Michael and Lide, oops, I might have gotten confused a bit and used another 50mm lens ......no wonder I had no AF problems. i'm about to say because of its bokeh. wow, is it the 3rd one
Mar 03, 2010 at 10:54 PM
p.9 #12Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
PetKal wrote:
......no wonder I had no AF problems. haha... your new 50/1.8 I ?Close.....my new 50 f/1.0.
that's BAD ! I will find something to shoot tomorrow with my 50/1.2L to beat your 1.0L, lol......
lidesun wrote
PetKal wrote
Michael and Lide, oops, I might have gotten confused a bit and used another 50mm lens ......no wonder I had no AF problems. that's BAD ! I will find something to shoot tomorrow with my 50/1.2L to beat your 1.0L, lol......
Mar 03, 2010 at 10:57 PM
p.9 #13Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
mttran wrote:
......no wonder I had no AF problems. haha... your new 50/1.8 I ?Close.....my new 50 f/1.0. i'm about to say because of its bokeh. wow, is it the 3rd one
You were onto me, eh Michael ?
No, I've still got two copies, but that has been in a bit of a flux lately.
PetKal wrote
lidesun wrote
PetKal wrote
Michael and Lide, oops, I might have gotten confused a bit and used another 50mm lens ......no wonder I had no AF problems. You were onto me, eh Michael ?
No, I've still got two copies, but that has been in a bit of a flux lately.
Mar 03, 2010 at 11:02 PM
p.9 #14Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
lidesun wrote:
......no wonder I had no AF problems. haha... your new 50/1.8 I ?Close.....my new 50 f/1.0. that's BAD ! I will find something to shoot tomorrow with my 50/1.2L to beat your 1.0L, lol......
Lide, you can do it with your eyes closed.
PetKal wrote
lidesun wrote
PetKal wrote
Michael and Lide, oops, I might have gotten confused a bit and used another 50mm lens ......no wonder I had no AF problems. Lide, you can do it with your eyes closed.
Mar 03, 2010 at 11:03 PM
p.9 #15Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
PetKal wrote:
......no wonder I had no AF problems. haha... your new 50/1.8 I ?Close.....my new 50 f/1.0. that's BAD ! I will find something to shoot tomorrow with my 50/1.2L to beat your 1.0L, lol......Lide, you can do it with your eyes closed.
But I have to have two of your 50/1.0Ls as my eyeglasses
Wait, two as glasses and one as tea cup, lol....
lidesun wrote
PetKal wrote
lidesun wrote
PetKal wrote
Michael and Lide, oops, I might have gotten confused a bit and used another 50mm lens ......no wonder I had no AF problems. But I have to have two of your 50/1.0Ls as my eyeglasses
Wait, two as glasses and one as tea cup, lol....
Mar 03, 2010 at 11:06 PM
p.9 #16Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
PetKal wrote:
You were onto me, eh Michael ?
Oh no Sir, not at all
You were onto me, eh Michael ?
Oh no Sir, not at all Mar 04, 2010 at 12:49 AM
p.9 #17Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
No lens I wanted to love more than the 50L; 50 is my FL, the 85 and 35L's are great, what could stand in the way of eternal happiness?
Mediocrity when balanced against cost, that's what. It would be a great lens....if it cost $1000 less.
Mediocrity when balanced against cost, that's what. It would be a great lens....if it cost $1000 less.
Mar 04, 2010 at 09:06 AM
p.9 #18Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
Well it appears that the original poster wanted a fine general purpose lens with extra low light capability as an extra. He found out that no one makes a GP 50mm F 1.2 (even Canon) and settled for a moderately fast GP 50mm F2.0. Good thinking!
At the beginning (Max ISO 800/1600 days) I bought a 50mm F1.4 to fill in my prime lens
inventory-zooms were too slow for my dim light work-then. I shot the F1.4, once, at F1.4 and sold it (no it was not a bad copy and yes I sent it to Canon).
It seems ALL 50mm F1.4s have drastically reduced contrast wide open and I like contrast (yes 50 F1.4s will make some, nice, shots at F1.4 of hi Con images). But the 50L solved my problem! I could make "L" like images in the F1.4-F2.0 range!!
I just sold my 50L not because of performance but because with my D3s' super hi ISO abilities (6400-12,800 days) I have F1.2/F1.4 performance with F2.8 DOF. I rather enjoy F2.8 DOF and reliabe AF with moving subjects with the range of 24-70 to boot. On the rare occasions that I need a medium FL fast prime I am delighted to shoot my 85L (love the big barrel and pinky MF)-Frankly I think the 50FL on FF is boring but perfect for crop.
If you really want shallow DOF try the 200mm F2.0 wide open (and boy does it look GOOD wide open and the Bokeh is better). Seriously less DOF (for an equal size image) than even the 85L. This is my first impulse for a portrait bust/full figure lens. The 200 F2.0 costs about $5K so that makes the 50L look like quite a bargain!
At the beginning (Max ISO 800/1600 days) I bought a 50mm F1.4 to fill in my prime lens
inventory-zooms were too slow for my dim light work-then. I shot the F1.4, once, at F1.4 and sold it (no it was not a bad copy and yes I sent it to Canon).
It seems ALL 50mm F1.4s have drastically reduced contrast wide open and I like contrast (yes 50 F1.4s will make some, nice, shots at F1.4 of hi Con images). But the 50L solved my problem! I could make "L" like images in the F1.4-F2.0 range!!
I just sold my 50L not because of performance but because with my D3s' super hi ISO abilities (6400-12,800 days) I have F1.2/F1.4 performance with F2.8 DOF. I rather enjoy F2.8 DOF and reliabe AF with moving subjects with the range of 24-70 to boot. On the rare occasions that I need a medium FL fast prime I am delighted to shoot my 85L (love the big barrel and pinky MF)-Frankly I think the 50FL on FF is boring but perfect for crop.
If you really want shallow DOF try the 200mm F2.0 wide open (and boy does it look GOOD wide open and the Bokeh is better). Seriously less DOF (for an equal size image) than even the 85L. This is my first impulse for a portrait bust/full figure lens. The 200 F2.0 costs about $5K so that makes the 50L look like quite a bargain!
Mar 04, 2010 at 12:22 PM
p.9 #19Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
Bruce, so i shoot a subject wide open at iso 6400 with my 28-70/2.8, then shoot the same subject wide open at iso 1250 with my 50L. Are the images comparable?
Possible responses:
1. No, they are different. The one shot with the zoom is sharp.
2. No, they are different. The one shot with the prime is ethereal.
3. Yes, they are comparable. Bokeh, schmokeh.
4. Yes, they are comparable. What does DOF mean again?
5. None of the above (open to all other responses).
If I think along the lines of your logic, I'll have me a set of ZE lenses in no time.
Possible responses:
1. No, they are different. The one shot with the zoom is sharp.
2. No, they are different. The one shot with the prime is ethereal.
3. Yes, they are comparable. Bokeh, schmokeh.
4. Yes, they are comparable. What does DOF mean again?
5. None of the above (open to all other responses).
If I think along the lines of your logic, I'll have me a set of ZE lenses in no time.
Mar 04, 2010 at 01:38 PM
p.9 #20Just got 50L - mixed feelings.
PetKal wrote:
......no wonder I had no AF problems. haha... your new 50/1.8 I ?Close.....my new 50 f/1.0. that's BAD ! I will find something to shoot tomorrow with my 50/1.2L to beat your 1.0L, lol......Lide, you can do it with your eyes closed.
Hi, Peter,
My apology that I was unable to find a good subject to shoot during the lunch time, so just snapped this one as promised that I will go out to shoot something to beat you, looks like I failed but it did shot with the 50/1.2L @ f/2 and @ AI SERVO mode, haha...
http://www.pbase.com/imagebypeter/image/122477686/original.jpg
Cheers..
lidesun wrote
PetKal wrote
lidesun wrote
PetKal wrote
Michael and Lide, oops, I might have gotten confused a bit and used another 50mm lens ......no wonder I had no AF problems. Hi, Peter,
My apology that I was unable to find a good subject to shoot during the lunch time, so just snapped this one as promised that I will go out to shoot something to beat you, looks like I failed
but it did shot with the 50/1.2L @ f/2 and @ AI SERVO mode, haha...http://www.pbase.com/imagebypeter/image/122477686/original.jpg
Cheers..
Mar 04, 2010 at 01:41 PM