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Hey vpell - I'm glad you think I'm a good business man, but make no mistake I have lead you to believe this. You haven't seen my tax return, or looked at my book of business to have any idea whether I can back up this belief. It takes a careful consideration of what I do post, what I DONT post, how I say things, and who I can get to agree with me to create that perception. In a microcosm, that's branding.

Also if you could explain the observation that I allegedly make an "impure" judgment ofthngs I would appreciate it as I don't really understand that claim and don't feel it's the case. Also, as I said earlier if I have mischaracterized you I am truly sorry.

- trr

p.s. - admitting mistakes, taking responsibility and keeping things from getting personal is part of how I communicate my online brand. What does it say about me?



Feb 06, 2010 at 04:57 PM
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TRR for pres! hope to meet you someday, my home town is kewanee and would like to visit someday...


Google is a branding god... the meer fact that when someone does not know an answer... some else says "Google it" not look it up on the internet... to me it dont get any better than that! more than a "household" name, but a way of life.



Feb 06, 2010 at 05:27 PM
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The OP associates branding with "cheap" (fast food, soda, cheep beer), but why overlook better products that use branding? Armani. Porsche. Rolex. Etc.

People buy these products because of the status they afford the buyer. People pay $10K+ for a wedding photographer for similar "status" reasons. They could likely get very good to excellent photos from a $2-$3K photographer, but they go for the "name" because of, well, the name.



Feb 06, 2010 at 05:49 PM
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CRFTony wrote:
Armani. Porsche. Rolex. Etc.

People buy these products because of the status they afford the buyer. People pay $10K+ for a wedding photographer for similar "status" reasons. They could likely get very good to excellent photos from a $2-$3K photographer, but they go for the "name" because of, well, the name.


Firstly, those are the bottom end of the high end, with Armani not even technically being high end. Second, that's not why people buy those brands, only stupid people buy those brands for that reason.



Feb 06, 2010 at 09:00 PM
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TRReichman wrote:
Hey vpell - I'm glad you think I'm a good business man, but make no mistake I have lead you to believe this.


Ok, life is just one massive magic marketing trick with no legitimacy. Enjoy it.



Feb 06, 2010 at 09:01 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-postmodernism


Feb 06, 2010 at 09:20 PM
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Hey Vpell,

I think you are trying to substitute a brand for a substantive product. Without substance, a brand is a lie and it won't last. In a world full of photos, its not about the objects themselves anymore - it's about the stories you tell. Namely, the story of how you live, who you are and what you stand for.

If I'm staring a wall of cans of creamed corn, with no sophisticated way to tell them apart, which one do I choose? I choose the one that tells a story, the Jolly Green giant, even though it costs a little more. The other corn in the no name can is probably the same, but its container doesn't describe its contents well.

I'm trying to be brief, I hope that helped in some small way.




Feb 06, 2010 at 11:20 PM
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did they fly me out here because of my images or my brand?

I hope it was for your images.




Feb 07, 2010 at 01:33 AM
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.........also, I think what Serg already said is true. Our photos are our branding.

Word of mouth is not a form of branding. Word of mouth, as a wedding photographer, is about your images and how you carry yourself and communicate with people. It's what you do.

By the way, how's Bella doing?



Feb 07, 2010 at 01:38 AM
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VPell wrote:
Ok, life is just one massive magic marketing trick with no legitimacy. Enjoy it.


When I was in art school it was either all about the art of it or it was a sellout. Now, I've grown up and realized that in order to get the art out to the right people you have to effectively market and sell what you do. There doesn't have to be a trick or a sham or a ripoff to any of it. It's crazy irresponsible to not properly market because you are keeping the "art" or truthfulness or whatever you want to call it away from people for no reason other than ignoring the facts of reality.

It's easy to dismiss basic business necessities and claim some ethical higher ground. Yeah, it isn't necessarily easy to learn the marketing aspects and to key into the right mix of things that will take you are far as you want to go. It's easy to claim it's too hard or not worth doing as an excuse. Nevertheless, these are basic business elements that all successful companies have to tackle. I still don't understand the impulse to fight a tried and true methodology without first endeavoring to understand it and make it work for you.

Why is it important to try and denounce something that is as close to business fact as you can get? How does it make our industry better if branding is a myth? Why is it right not not effectively offer our work so that people understand the value of it?

What would happen if you assumed for a minute that branding was a great, effective, easy method for putting your work out into the world? What if you actually bought in?

- trr



Feb 07, 2010 at 01:46 AM
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This is kinda weird.

I'm reading this thread and as I read the replies that TRR is getting I am puzzled... he clearly writes in simple english why all the misunderstandings?

I'm not going to go back to the posts to quote exactly so please forgive the paraphrasing... anyway...

When he said that the reason we believe he's an awesome business dude is because of his branding that DOES NOT MEAN that he is NOT in fact a great business dude. What it means is that every time I read one of TRR's posts soemthing reinforces the belief in me that he's a great business dude. In fact I'll say that when he recently posted a set and the set IMHO kicked a$$ I was taken aback. I'd never really thought of him as a very talented photographer. And that doesn't mean I thought he was a talentless hack who had great business sense... it just means that the quality of his images had never entered my mind. And why hadn't it? Because he had never chosen to highlight that.

When he said that he's shooting a destination wedding and asked wether we think he's there due to his images or his brand... answering the correct way (his brand) does NOT mean that we don't think his images kickass... it means that we acknowledge that for all intents and purposes there probably is at least ONE wedding photog who works where he's shooting the dest wedding who could produce qualitatively identical photos... the fact that the B&G felt it appropriate to fly him in suggests that he successfully created in their mind the idea that it would be wise for them to hire him instead of a local. AND THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE'S PUTTING FALSE IDEAS IN THEIR HEAD!!!!! It's most likely TRUE that the couple is better off having hired him. Why? I don't know... I don't know the couple and their needs/expectations... but it stands to reason that TRR must deliver something they're after. And I got $20.00 right here that asy that THAT SOMETHING is not in fact a 16x20 physical print.

Even VPell... dude... your comment that Google is not about the branding... they are the best at what they do.... hold it right there. BAM! Branding! That's right. Branding! For all I know Bing (Microsoft's newest competitor to Google) might be technically superior... but you (and I, and a huge portion of the American public) think that Google can do no evil (oh wait... more branding?) and that they are indeed THE BEST.

That doesn't mean they're NOT. They probably ARE. But the point of branding is that you are now going around arguing with someone about branding and pointing out one of google's brand's KEY aspects.

One last thing.

Toyota's accelerator debacle.

Why is it a problem?

Is it because of the lawsuits?

NO.

Is it because of the cost to do the recalls?

NO.

Then what is the problem?

The problem is that two years ago when my wife and I were shopping for a Minivan and eventually narrowed it town to Toyota's Sienna and Chrysler's Grand Caravan (which would have saved us thousands of dollars by the way) everyone and their mother who knew of our car shopping did nothing but constantly repeat that TOYOTA BUILDS RELIABLE CARS. TOYOTA BUILDS RELIABLE CARS. TOYOTA BUILDS RELIABLE CARS.

For all I know so does Chrysler.

Take I guess what we drive.

Ciao!

nOt liSy

P.S. TRR - when you set up a workshop please shoot me an email



Feb 07, 2010 at 02:13 AM
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I'm not disagreeing with you across the board. Just a few comeents.

Now, I've grown up and realized that in order to get the art out to the right people you have to effectively market and sell what you do
Your art should do that for you. If it doesn't, than your art is probably less than average. I went to DAAP. I know art school as well.

I think that one of the arguments that can be made against depending on branding too much, is it tends to "pinhole" you. Unless, you constantly change your branding, and then at what point does that really make sense? Have you seen that car commercial where someone is thinking of a red, mid-sized, sporty, family car, and the rows and columns of cars keeeping getting smaller and smaller, until there is only one? I guess you could spend a lot more time branding yourself so that "one" person signs you............but what about all of those other red cars that gone thrown aside? You asked the question earlier about why a couple signed you, and I assume you think it's because of your "branding". Maybe it was. I think to a lot of people in here, just having people sign them because of the images they produce are enough. There's nothing wrong with that.

The more money you spend, the more money you make.
The more money you make, the more spend.
Same as the first.

Shoot brides.
Have fun.
Make some money.




Feb 07, 2010 at 02:20 AM
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tcamper wrote:
.........also, I think what Serg already said is true. Our photos are our branding.

Word of mouth is not a form of branding. Word of mouth, as a wedding photographer, is about your images and how you carry yourself and communicate with people. It's what you do.

By the way, how's Bella doing?


By your definition of what "Word of Mouth" is (images, how you carry yourself, and your communication with people) how is it not a form of branding? It's not just your images that are part of your brand but YOU the photographer are part of it as well. Anytime you have chance to communicate and interact with a client, they have the chance to make a positive or negative opinion on you and your brand.

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Feb 07, 2010 at 02:22 AM
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it's what we do. It's not what we are trying to get people to perceive what we do.


Feb 07, 2010 at 02:29 AM
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Just somthing to think about....................

Download the PDF for this article here

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"A Successful Mix"
Sturgis Journal — September 28,2009
By Laura Kurella
Journal correspondent


When Howard Holmes became chief executive and president of the now 121-year-old company in 1995, he made it his mission to ensure that those little blue and white boxes wouldn't vanish from store shelves.

He had a plan to move the well known but stagnant business into the 21st century, even as it went up against competitors like Pillsbury and General Mills.

"It was an evolution, not revolution, from a sole proprietorship to professional management," said Holmes, 61,who spent 20 years racing cars before returning to the family owned and operated business in Chelsea.

He immediately set out to boost efficiency and did so by implementing Kaizen, the Japanese philosophy of continual improvement. Holmes set his plan into action and improved factory floor space, rolled out new packaging assembly lines, upgraded equipment and hired workers with experience in finance, food sales and production and he called frequent staff meetings.

His efforts paid off. On average, Chelsea Milling produces 950,000 retail boxes per day, up from 425,000 boxes per day 10 years ago.

"Efficiency is an internal measurement," Holmes said. "You have to be efficient before you're effective."

In addition to its Jiffy mixes, Chelsea Milling has branched out, providing products to prisons, food services and private labels.

It is also exporting products to 28 countries.

To support its growth, the company added 20 full-time employees, bringing its total staff to 350.

Jiffy's 21 mixes now make up 67 percent of the market for value mixes, Holmes said.

"We have a reputation," said Holmes, who is the fourth generation of the Holmes family to run the business. "Jiffy doesn't use TV commercials or ads to sell its goods. We rely on word-of-mouth, which is really the best advertising available." Jiffy mixes-which cost $1 or less - are 28 percent to 53 percent cheaper per ounce than competitors' products, he said.

Holmes said the company has kept prices low by doing minimal advertising and making its products inhouse.

Only its iconic boxes are made offsite but even those are made by its own print business, CNS, inMarshall. Holmes believes that slow and steady wins the race.

"Managing growth is the most difficult thing to do," he said. "What's best for the long term is to penetrate the market at a slow but sure pace. Under-commit and over-perform."

Copied from jiffymix.com.




Feb 07, 2010 at 02:38 AM
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tcamper wrote:
it's what we do. It's not what we are trying to get people to perceive what we do.


If you don't get people to perceive what you do then clearly you have no clients.

There seems to be a misunderstanding that focusing one's energy on projecting a certain image of themselves, or of the services they provide is somehow misleading or nefarious.

That's only true if you can't back it up with your products when you're called to perform.

But see how I said "back it up"?

That suggests what comes FIRST and what comes SECOND.



Feb 07, 2010 at 02:41 AM
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Toyaota actually builds reliable cars in Japan. They don't in the US. The only recalls have been for cars built in the US. It's also odd how the government that ordered a cease in production, owns one of the "major" car companies. Meanwhile, kia and hyundai sneak into the mix, by doing what? Building decent cars with a good warranty.

Just something to think about, since that was thrown out there. This is still on the branding topic.



Feb 07, 2010 at 02:47 AM
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There was a widely publicized recall of Toyotas very recently in Japan. It's not just in the US.


Feb 07, 2010 at 09:39 AM
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1. Definition of Branding
Your "brand" is a psychological construct that exists in the mind of consumers that reflects all of the information and expectations that they have for your product or service. This brand image is created as the sum product of all communications and experiences that the consumer has with your firm. "Branding" is the activity of actively seeking to control and cultivate that image to improve sales. Branding is NOT the same as Marketing. It is possible to cultivate a brand without ANY active marketing efforts.

2. How Does One Go About Branding?
You are already creating your brand, whether you know it or not. Anything that you do or fail to do that can communicate with consumers creates your brand. As photographers, even the simple act of choosing which images to feature on our websites or in our presentations contributes to our brand. To those of you who say that it is "all about the pictures," that is still a branding strategy!

In addition to the factors that you have been discussing such as logos and music, branding may include:
The images you choose to display
How you choose to display your images
How you talk about your images
Any efforts at educating the client about your quality
In what product form do you offer your images for purchase

You may have noticed that I labeled my adjectives exercise as a branding exercise. I believe this is accurate: you can create an impression of your work and style with only the first few images that potential clients see, and those of us who are actively working on our branding make a conscious effort to communicate something cohesive about our overall portfolio with those first few images.

Branding may also include less-obvious aspects of the consumer experience such as providing a nice pen to sign a contract, or meeting in a studio, an upscale coffee shop, or McDonald's. Branding is the clothes you wear to your meetings, or the packaging of the products you deliver at the completion of your contract. You may deliberately avoid "dressing fancy," having a swanky logo, creating an elaborate website and so on because you want to be judged for your work and not your marketing. In this case, you are now actively working to cultivate the brand of being a serious artist who is above "branding."

3. The Importance of Branding to Photographers
Sensory transference is a phenomenon by which human beings may transfer sensations created by packaging to the product itself. It is well documented that in taste tests, more attractive packaging can cause a taster to actually give better scores to the FLAVOR of a product if the packaging is on display. You can read more about this here:

http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/08/13/malcolm-gladwell-on-the-power-of-marketing/

The same concept holds true for our images. I have no doubt that a consumer will "rate" images superior if shown on a beautiful, professional website, and mark them down if poorly presented on a cobbled-together page. In fact, your brand as a whole (reputation, business name, logo, website, marketing materials, use of social media, etc) can influence how consumers judge the quality of your work.

There is a prejudice that has been expressed in this thread that any branding or marketing efforts are by-definition an attempt to make our products and services look better than they are, or to "put one over" on customers. This is one approach to branding, but one that I don't believe is a viable long-term strategy. A big part of my branding efforts involve educating clients, rather than manipulating their ignorance.

For instance: a true hands-off documentary approach is what I consider the most important aspect of my wedding coverage. While I do create some posed images, I consider the documentary work to be my focus. However, the average client frequently cannot tell the difference between a loose, contemporary editorial portrait with competent posing and a true hands-off documentary shot when reviewing portfolios (of course they will know the difference when they are the ones in the pictures!). The manufactured portrait will almost always be "prettier" than true documentary work, so it's up to me to educate the client on the value of capturing real moments as they happen, and how to tell the difference between those and staged portraits.

In summary:
The act of branding is the careful consideration of any vector by which a consumer might form an image of your business or work, and the intentional adjustment of these vectors to ensure that the desired impression is created.



Feb 07, 2010 at 10:01 AM
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at this point, between evan's and trr's explanations, i can't imagine that this question hasn't been covered thoroughly or conclusively answered


Feb 07, 2010 at 10:23 AM
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