p.1 #1 · Would you pay L-dollar for a fast wide m4/3 prime?
So I just sold my last Canon body (looking forward to a 1D Mark IV when I can get my hands on one), leaving me with my GF1 and 20/1.7. This got me thinking. My favorite EOS lens (1.0 or 1.3) has to be the 35L.
Question is, would anyone here pay $1100+ for a 12mm or 15mm f1.0/1.2/1.4 for m4/3 mount?
I know I sure as heck would, but I would venture to say that for the vast majority of folks here the answer is probably no, so I'm asking y'all here; would you pay 24L or 35L money for the equivalent on m4/3?
And is there any way that any of us could make that happen?
p.1 #2 · Would you pay L-dollar for a fast wide m4/3 prime?
If I were shooting a crop system I would pay a lot for a fast wide equivalent. Heck, I paid almost 3k for my 35/1.4 summilux asph! Gotta have a fast wide.
p.1 #4 · Would you pay L-dollar for a fast wide m4/3 prime?
most definitely, but i would get the panasonic 20mm, the new oly 9-18mm (assuming it turns out to be comparable to the 4/3 version optically), and a fast portrait prime first. so i'd have to wait and save a bit first.
i suspect the people here would be more likely to say yes than the general µ4/3 consuming public.
p.1 #5 · Would you pay L-dollar for a fast wide m4/3 prime?
The m43 glass would have to be 2 stops faster than its FF equivalent for it to make sense for me. I will definitely not pay for an m43 17/1.4 at the price of 35L, but probably will if it has f/0.7 which is quite impossible apparently. Much like the 17-55IS is at the price ballpark of 24-105L.
p.1 #6 · Would you pay L-dollar for a fast wide m4/3 prime?
m4/3rd has interested me for a while but, for me the biggest problem with the system currently is a lack of fast wide glass or wide glass at all for that matter. So yes, I would buy one if I was using m4/3rd.
p.1 #7 · Would you pay L-dollar for a fast wide m4/3 prime?
$1100 is hardly "L-dollars". That's in the realm of reasonable for a quality lens. A 12mm f1.4 (24mm in 35mm equiv) could be an attractive lens for the m4/3 system -- if they they don't skimp on the design.
p.1 #8 · Would you pay L-dollar for a fast wide m4/3 prime?
No, because m4/3 is my travel body...whenever I'm out for truly serious photography, I use my Canon gear. That said, my m4/3 lenses are good (20/1.7 and Nokton 40/1.4). I also have a minolta MD to m4/3 adapter to enable use of my Rokkor 50 f/1.4 and 135 f2.8, which adds quite a bit of versatility to the kit.
I only see myself adding at most two more lenses to my m4/3 kit, and that's a wide lens (I'd love a 12mm f/2.8, but if the optics are good the new Oly 9-18 could be great, especially given its very small size), and a m4/3 telephoto like the 45-200, which I might one day get. Other than that, I'm fine. a 12mm f/1.4 isn't going to give you amazing shallow DOF anyway. I'm all about small with my E-P1, so ultra-fast lenses are going to be a little bigger than I'd like, since it's my 'compact' solution, yet still yielding high image quality. I also don't see myself every spending more than $500 for a m4/3 lens.
p.1 #10 · Would you pay L-dollar for a fast wide m4/3 prime?
A good 14/2 or 17/1.4 would be very interesting to me in either m43 or 4/3rds mount (I've no issue adapting fast lenses). I'm not concerned about DoF, but just getting the exposure.
p.1 #11 · Would you pay L-dollar for a fast wide m4/3 prime?
Jman13 wrote:
No, because m4/3 is my travel body...whenever I'm out for truly serious photography, I use my Canon gear.
But wouldn't it be amazing to have a small, light system with the equivalent of a 24L or a 35L for travel?
Jman13 wrote:
a 12mm f/1.4 isn't going to give you amazing shallow DOF anyway.
I could have said the same for the 24/1.4L if I were coming form 8x10 4x5 or 6x7... That said, I'll take however much light and as little DOF as I can get. 12/1.4 or 15/1.4 would probably be a killer enough lens on the GF1 that I would probably dump all my EF lenses including my 35L. I don't expect anyone to make a 12mm or 15mm f1.0 - that's not reasonable since we've got physics (and money) to contend with.
p.1 #12 · Would you pay L-dollar for a fast wide m4/3 prime?
it's not about a larger format vs a smaller format. An m43 12/1.4 would take in about as much light as a FF 24/2.8. L price is fine as long as it matches what it does, the problem is it is very unlikely to have an m43 lens to match what the best of FF lenses does, and thus they should be priced accordingly.
Yes it's hard to make a good m43 12/0.7, but so is making a good FF 24/1.4. There is a reason that we don't see a 24/1, or a MF 35/1.4. There are physics and money to contend with in larger format too.
p.1 #13 · Would you pay L-dollar for a fast wide m4/3 prime?
Navyblue wrote:
it's not about a larger format vs a smaller format. An m43 12/1.4 would take in about as much light as a FF 24/2.8. L price is fine as long as it matches what it does, the problem is it is very unlikely to have an m43 lens to match what the best of FF lenses does, and thus they should be priced accordingly.
Yep, and not only that but in an ultra-wide the extra stop is seldom used - for me. Can you find or show an image anywhere on FM that is any good and that uses ultra-wide lengths (8mm~12mm) at f1.2 or the likes? I don't think I've ever seen one. So what is it we're paying the extra $900 for? Just a number printed on the barrel?
p.1 #14 · Would you pay L-dollar for a fast wide m4/3 prime?
Bifurcator wrote:
Yep, and not only that but in an ultra-wide the extra stop is seldom used - for me. Can you find or show an image anywhere on FM that is any good and that uses ultra-wide lengths (8mm~12mm) at f1.2 or the likes? I don't think I've ever seen one. So what is it we're paying the extra $900 for? Just a number printed on the barrel?
I think that is primarily because there are very, very few lenses in the 8mm-12mm (16mm-24mm equiv) focal range that are f1.2 or f1.4. I can think of one, off hand, the Canon 24/1.4 L. Quite frankly, if I got a lens like this I would want it to perform well wide open (and focus close) at f1.4 because that is exactly where I would want to use it.
p.1 #15 · Would you pay L-dollar for a fast wide m4/3 prime?
Lotusm50 wrote:
I think that is primarily because there are very, very few lenses in the 8mm-12mm (16mm-24mm equiv) focal range that are f1.2 or f1.4. I can think of one, off hand, the Canon 24/1.4 L. Quite frankly, if I got a lens like this I would want it to perform well wide open (and focus close) at f1.4 because that is exactly where I would want to use it.
I can think of 4, 3 of which hit production. In addition to the 24L are the 21 and 24mm Summiluxes (The SMC Pentax 20mm f1.4 never made it to production)
Also in seeing what Ulrik's been doing with his 24/2, I'd love to see him with a similar or wider f1.4 or f1.2 lens.
p.1 #17 · Would you pay L-dollar for a fast wide m4/3 prime?
mawz wrote:
I can think of 4, 3 of which hit production. In addition to the 24L are the 21 and 24mm Summiluxes (The SMC Pentax 20mm f1.4 never made it to production)
Ahh the 21mm f1.4 Summilux. All US$6500 of it. I'm sure you'll find some images wide open on the Leica forums. Although I wonder if you can accurately focus it with the M rangefinder.
Actually a fast 21-24mm is the direction I hope that Zeiss is taking the new design of the ZF/ZE 25mm. I think it would fill a better niche in the ZF/ZE line up. Right now, there might be a bit too much overlap (for some, at least) between the 21/2.8, the 25/2.8 and the 28/2.0. A 25/1.4 would garner, IMHO, more interest, no matter how good the 25/2.8 is (and I like it very much).
p.1 #18 · Would you pay L-dollar for a fast wide m4/3 prime?
100% yes I would. The 24L is my favorite lens of all time. I want Nikon to make one, I want canon, nikon or sigma to make a 16mm DX/EF-s version, AND I want panasonic to make a 12mm version. I'll be getting the 14mm pancake when it comes out anyway, but I would have loved it to be ~f/1.4....
p.1 #19 · Would you pay L-dollar for a fast wide m4/3 prime?
cogitech wrote:
I'd much sooner wait 9 months and pay $400 (or less) for the Samyang 35/1.4 (1.2?!) and stick it on my 5D.
i see there are plenty of estimators of this kind of lenses..
but, i mean, do you really think that such a lens (samyang 35/1.4) is even on the same level of a canon 35/1.4 or a distagon 35/1.4 or.. etc etc?
p.1 #20 · Would you pay L-dollar for a fast wide m4/3 prime?
Paoletto wrote:
i see there are plenty of estimators of this kind of lenses..
but, i mean, do you really think that such a lens (samyang 35/1.4) is even on the same level of a canon 35/1.4 or a distagon 35/1.4 or.. etc etc?
Yes. I think it will be.
By the way, it is not an estimate. Samyang has publicly stated that the 35/1.4 will be released in 2nd 1/2 of 2010. The only uncertainty is whether the Canon version will be f1.2 or not.
And to be more on topic, Samyang will be releasing all of these lenses in 4/3rds mount soon, too.
