ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
p.492 #1ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Thanks Zhangyue.
Your two new portraits are nice but your precedent one was really a GREAT shot with a magical rendering.
Your two new portraits are nice but your precedent one was really a GREAT shot with a magical rendering.
Nov 21, 2011 at 03:26 PM
p.492 #2ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Jochenb wrote:
(It's a pity I don't see more photos taken with the 85/1.4 in here.)
I will fix it for you. It is one of my favorite lens. I had Nikon 85G as well, for a moment,I thought Nikon is sharper than ZF85, but after I carefully shot many frame during my daughter watching TV, and surprisingly find out that ZF85 is a little sharper. And returned G afterward. (Might get it once price cool down or 1.8G in the future for convenience.) It either my 85G is a lemo or my ZF85 is superb, but both is good enough for my taste.
(disclaimer, i almost always hand hold, so it is really not a technique perfect tests. I have some threshold in my mind to see if it is sharp enough, past that, I don't really care which is more sharper than which. That is why I prefer ZF85 to MP100.)
Wide open, it was cropped, I can't remember how much is the crop in this one? (it is not available for check right now)
My son's portrait, again wide open:
My ZF85 is very sharp (or I should say sharp enough for me) from all distance. I don't understand its reputation. From available internet review of it, my copy is definitely better at close distance when view 100%. However, the real challenge is long distance focus, focus confirmation dot no longer work as charm, I am at mercy of luck. I seldom use LV as I mostly chasing my two kids with it and focus ring is heavy damped, and throne is too long to my taste, make is not a idea solution for me. I have to pre_adjust the ring based on distance before shooting for quick action.
Hope this info are helpful for anyone interested in that lens. This thread use to be a lot useful info here, but with depart of some ZE/ZF shooter and seems we only have image left
A quick question for its owner, do you feel the focus ring is damped too much make it hard to turn, say compare to any other Zeiss.
*fix typo*
Edited on Nov 21, 2011 at 03:59 PM · View previous versions
(It's a pity I don't see more photos taken with the 85/1.4 in here.)
I will fix it for you. It is one of my favorite lens. I had Nikon 85G as well, for a moment,I thought Nikon is sharper than ZF85, but after I carefully shot many frame during my daughter watching TV, and surprisingly find out that ZF85 is a little sharper. And returned G afterward. (Might get it once price cool down or 1.8G in the future for convenience.) It either my 85G is a lemo or my ZF85 is superb, but both is good enough for my taste.
(disclaimer, i almost always hand hold, so it is really not a technique perfect tests. I have some threshold in my mind to see if it is sharp enough, past that, I don't really care which is more sharper than which. That is why I prefer ZF85 to MP100.)
Wide open, it was cropped, I can't remember how much is the crop in this one? (it is not available for check right now)
My son's portrait, again wide open:
My ZF85 is very sharp (or I should say sharp enough for me) from all distance. I don't understand its reputation. From available internet review of it, my copy is definitely better at close distance when view 100%. However, the real challenge is long distance focus, focus confirmation dot no longer work as charm, I am at mercy of luck. I seldom use LV as I mostly chasing my two kids with it and focus ring is heavy damped, and throne is too long to my taste, make is not a idea solution for me. I have to pre_adjust the ring based on distance before shooting for quick action.
Hope this info are helpful for anyone interested in that lens. This thread use to be a lot useful info here, but with depart of some ZE/ZF shooter and seems we only have image left
A quick question for its owner, do you feel the focus ring is damped too much make it hard to turn, say compare to any other Zeiss.
*fix typo*
Edited on Nov 21, 2011 at 03:59 PM · View previous versions
Nov 21, 2011 at 03:58 PM
p.492 #4ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Like those shots from the 50P zhangyue. #2 is brilliant!
Lovely nature shots Riccardo and Gregg.
Some more 100 MP. Hill rolling action!:
Hill rolling hangover!:
Lovely nature shots Riccardo and Gregg.
Some more 100 MP. Hill rolling action!:
Hill rolling hangover!:
Nov 22, 2011 at 03:35 AM
p.492 #5ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Hi everyone, love the images. I have ZE 21/2.8 and now I am considering buying one of these lens 50MP ,35f2 and 35f1.4. The most important aspect to me is to be sharp wide open as my 35L . Also be good as portrait and walk around. I am kinda leaning toward 50MP but wonder if I will get better bokeh with 35f/1.4
Nov 22, 2011 at 03:55 AM
p.492 #6ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
any Zeiss 2.0 or faster has good bokeh. That's my take. I have a 50 ZF makro planer, and a 35 2.0, both V1's. Nice bokeh on both, probably the nod to the 50mm. But that is probably because the 50 makro planer and 100 makro planer are two of Zeiss's best. The rules are changing some though with the 35 1.4. Very good lens from what I see. Carrying the great pedigree of the 35 2.0 one step further.
Nov 22, 2011 at 06:56 AM
p.492 #7ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Thank you Gregg. Amazing macro shots
SKumar, lovely shots especially first one.
SKumar, lovely shots especially first one.
Nov 22, 2011 at 10:15 AM
p.492 #8ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
SKumar25 wrote:
Lovely nature shots Riccardo and Gregg.
Thank you SKumar!
Great children shots! Love the bokeh!
Lovely nature shots Riccardo and Gregg.
Thank you SKumar!
Great children shots! Love the bokeh!
Nov 22, 2011 at 10:36 AM
p.492 #10ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Ripolini,Greggf - Nice use of Mp100 with great detail 
SKumar25 - Glad to see I am not the only one chasing kid with ZF.
mohamed alfari wrote:
Hi everyone, love the images. I have ZE 21/2.8 and now I am considering buying one of these lens 50MP ,35f2 and 35f1.4. The most important aspect to me is to be sharp wide open as my 35L . Also be good as portrait and walk around. I am kinda leaning toward 50MP but wonder if I will get better bokeh with 35f/1.4
50MP and 35f2 is very easy to MF (well, relative), and you don't worry about performance start from f2, pop and contrast. It is really up to a personal preference compare to Planar. As for 35/1.4, I attribute its rendering to Planar side. Wide open, My copy does better than P50, equal or a little less than my P85.
After f2, I feel it less contrast/sharp than 35f2 at f2. (Micro contrast may different) But it is more than enough for me. and I never tripod test those two or compare corner, so take that into consideration. And there is no Lightroom lens profile support it so far. Color wise, I feel it is the best out of all Zeiss I have. this can get very subjective, and PP may overcome it but I see it and fell it.
Keep in mind that it is super heavy, make me remember my nikon 24-70 day. and I am very scared to have it bump somewhere,(even my kids head) which I never worried for the Nikon lens with hood on. Focus is super easy/fast with this fat smooth lens but wide open portrait is even more challenging than P50 and P85, because I always trying to be close to my subject so the DOF is even hard to deal with kids moving around. I bet with minimal focus distance this thing has thinnest DOF out of 1.4 line. Bokeh is also best out of three 1.4. nothing wrong with f2 line Bokeh, but I prefer 1.4 for general use from distance 1-3M. MP and 35f2 has some advantage for close distance shot to throw out everything in blur, especially MP100. (I like its OF render, but I attribute that to long focal length.)
One thing I like about 35f1.4 is: with Canon type-S focus screen installed, I can clear see through my viewfinder and put my subject anywhere in the frame when I am closer to subject. a real bonus.
Overall, I would say 35/1,4 is the lens to love and have long term relationship but not very practical on the other hand.
The first is 35f2 wide open
This one is 35f1.4 wide open
SKumar25 - Glad to see I am not the only one chasing kid with ZF.
mohamed alfari wrote:
Hi everyone, love the images. I have ZE 21/2.8 and now I am considering buying one of these lens 50MP ,35f2 and 35f1.4. The most important aspect to me is to be sharp wide open as my 35L . Also be good as portrait and walk around. I am kinda leaning toward 50MP but wonder if I will get better bokeh with 35f/1.4
50MP and 35f2 is very easy to MF (well, relative), and you don't worry about performance start from f2, pop and contrast. It is really up to a personal preference compare to Planar. As for 35/1.4, I attribute its rendering to Planar side. Wide open, My copy does better than P50, equal or a little less than my P85.
After f2, I feel it less contrast/sharp than 35f2 at f2. (Micro contrast may different) But it is more than enough for me. and I never tripod test those two or compare corner, so take that into consideration. And there is no Lightroom lens profile support it so far. Color wise, I feel it is the best out of all Zeiss I have. this can get very subjective, and PP may overcome it but I see it and fell it.
Keep in mind that it is super heavy, make me remember my nikon 24-70 day. and I am very scared to have it bump somewhere,(even my kids head
) which I never worried for the Nikon lens with hood on. Focus is super easy/fast with this fat smooth lens but wide open portrait is even more challenging than P50 and P85, because I always trying to be close to my subject so the DOF is even hard to deal with kids moving around. I bet with minimal focus distance this thing has thinnest DOF out of 1.4 line. Bokeh is also best out of three 1.4. nothing wrong with f2 line Bokeh, but I prefer 1.4 for general use from distance 1-3M. MP and 35f2 has some advantage for close distance shot to throw out everything in blur, especially MP100. (I like its OF render, but I attribute that to long focal length.) One thing I like about 35f1.4 is: with Canon type-S focus screen installed, I can clear see through my viewfinder and put my subject anywhere in the frame when I am closer to subject. a real bonus.
Overall, I would say 35/1,4 is the lens to love and have long term relationship but not very practical on the other hand.
The first is 35f2 wide open
This one is 35f1.4 wide open
Nov 22, 2011 at 04:04 PM
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p.492 #11ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Greggf, excellent shots, my favorite is last one.
Continue 35/f1.4 talk Both wide open.
View at this size (especially flickr resize) really don't do justice for the lens
Continue 35/f1.4 talk
Both wide open. View at this size (especially flickr resize) really don't do justice for the lens
Nov 23, 2011 at 12:15 AM
p.492 #12ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
zhangyue wrote:
Greggf, excellent shots, my favorite is last one.
+ 1.
Zhangyue : love your 1.4/35 girl shot. You have a great style for portraits.
Greggf, excellent shots, my favorite is last one.
+ 1.
Zhangyue : love your 1.4/35 girl shot. You have a great style for portraits.
Nov 23, 2011 at 01:08 AM
p.492 #13ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
zhangyue and Lieutenant Z...Greggf, excellent shots, my favorite is last one.
Thank you for the kind words.
zhangyue...are you really in Mountain View, as in Silicon Valley? I'm in Santa Cruz, just down the coast!!
I'm liking your ZE/ZF 35 1.4 shots. I had the ZE 35 1.4, loved it, but in the end, sold it 'cause I have a Rokinon 35 1.4. I do miss it,though, and took some wonderful shots with it...but my Rokinon is a very close second behind the ZE, with the bokeh being just a tad less creamy than the ZE!! I do have some really great shots of my son Mason with it, too!!
Gregg
Thank you for the kind words.
zhangyue...are you really in Mountain View, as in Silicon Valley? I'm in Santa Cruz, just down the coast!!
I'm liking your ZE/ZF 35 1.4 shots. I had the ZE 35 1.4, loved it, but in the end, sold it 'cause I have a Rokinon 35 1.4. I do miss it,though, and took some wonderful shots with it...but my Rokinon is a very close second behind the ZE, with the bokeh being just a tad less creamy than the ZE!! I do have some really great shots of my son Mason with it, too!!
Gregg
Nov 23, 2011 at 01:20 AM
p.492 #14ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
zhangyue wrote:
50MP and 35f2 is very easy to MF (well, relative), and you don't worry about performance start from f2, pop and contrast. It is really up to a personal preference compare to Planar. As for 35/1.4, I attribute its rendering to Planar side. Wide open, My copy does better than P50, equal or a little less than my P85.
After f2, I feel it less contrast/sharp than 35f2 at f2. (Micro contrast may different) But it is more than enough for me. and I never tripod test those two or compare corner, so take that into consideration. And there is...Show more →
I agree. I sold my 35/2 after getting the 35/1.4
Plenty sharp at f1.4 and a rendering I prefer over the 35/2 (less 'punchy'). Colors and bokeh are amazing and my feeling is that stopped down, it has better micro-contrast than the 35/2.
Mohamed: the 35L used to be my favorite lens before I got into zeiss. I had multiple copies through the years. The ZE 35/1.4 is sharper wideopen.
It's large and heavy, but it doesn't really bother me.
I also have the 50MP, which is great too. Different rendering than the 35/1.4.
Perfect allrounder, because it does it all: macro, walkaround stuff, landscape, portraits,...
When I put this on my camera after lugging around the 35/1.4 it feels like a feather
In the end it's a matter of taste (rendering, focal length)
mohamed alfari wrote
Hi everyone, love the images. I have ZE 21/2.8 and now I am considering buying one of these lens 50MP ,35f2 and 35f1.4. The most important aspect to me is to be sharp wide open as my 35L . Also be good as portrait and walk around. I am kinda leaning toward 50MP but wonder if I will get better bokeh with 35f/1.4After f2, I feel it less contrast/sharp than 35f2 at f2. (Micro contrast may different) But it is more than enough for me. and I never tripod test those two or compare corner, so take that into consideration. And there is...Show more →
I agree. I sold my 35/2 after getting the 35/1.4
Plenty sharp at f1.4 and a rendering I prefer over the 35/2 (less 'punchy'). Colors and bokeh are amazing and my feeling is that stopped down, it has better micro-contrast than the 35/2.
Mohamed: the 35L used to be my favorite lens before I got into zeiss. I had multiple copies through the years. The ZE 35/1.4 is sharper wideopen.
It's large and heavy, but it doesn't really bother me.
I also have the 50MP, which is great too. Different rendering than the 35/1.4.
Perfect allrounder, because it does it all: macro, walkaround stuff, landscape, portraits,...
When I put this on my camera after lugging around the 35/1.4 it feels like a feather
In the end it's a matter of taste (rendering, focal length)
Nov 23, 2011 at 02:07 AM
p.492 #15ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Lieutenant Z wrote:
+ 1.
Zhangyue : love your 1.4/35 girl shot. You have a great style for portraits.
Thank you for your kind comment. That is my almost 4 year old daughter, my favorite model along with my wife and son, that is also the reason I am into this hobby
zhangyue...are you really in Mountain View, as in Silicon Valley? I'm in Santa Cruz, just down the coast!!
I'm liking your ZE/ZF 35 1.4 shots. I had the ZE 35 1.4, loved it, but in the end, sold it 'cause I have a Rokinon 35 1.4. I do miss it,though, and took some wonderful shots with it...but my Rokinon is a very close second behind the ZE, with the bokeh being just a tad less creamy than the ZE!! I do have some really great shots of my son Mason with it, too!!
Yes, I am living in Silicon Valley. I have seen many excellent Rokinon shots. I am a Zeiss's fan, but not a Zeiss's Fanboy. To me, for a giving focal length and aperture, the good designed lens' difference is really small. There are many examples such as ZF85 & Nikon 85d/G. Canon 85L , MP100 and Nikon 105/2.5 105G, Canon 100L, also ZF35/1.4 and 35G 35L and your Rokinon.
For Nikon lens with good PP skill, I bet we were able to create 98% similar shot as Zeiss. At least for what I do. I feel for the same money, buy 35G should be a wiser move. Landscape shooter will benefit more from ZF/ZE lens.
There are several things I like zeiss, 1. skin tone has very good start point, it just pleasing to my eye. photographer with good PP, this difference may not there. but for me, this is reason I am into it. 2. Zeiss does very good at back-lit condition keeping contrast and detail better than my nikon 2.8G trinity, that may due to very complicated, multi elements/group design of nikon. For a short period with 85G, I feel it nothing short compare to Zeiss. (I don't like its over warm color, so 85D may be better for me, as I don't care corner sharpness. ) 3. Build quality. this is most important reason for me to invest Zeiss. The feel of shooting with well damped focus ring and feel of holding the cold metal case just make me can't go back to Nikon. If 85G is the same build quality as 24-70, I will sell my ZF85 and also buy the 35G as well. But I am stunned when holding that $1800 plastic lens in hand. It maybe more piratical as it may more robust with weather seal but in no way I am going to invest them for a life time relationship with them. It just feel CHEAP. Thanks god I am not a professional to force using those $2000 plastic 1.4G lens.
Santa Cruz is one of my favorite city that I like to go with my family other than SF. There is Patagonia outlet, I like to visit it often as we love that brand.
A shot from Santa Cruz with 24-70.
MP100 Monterey Beach.
zhangyue wrote
Greggf, excellent shots, my favorite is last one.Zhangyue : love your 1.4/35 girl shot. You have a great style for portraits.
Thank you for your kind comment. That is my almost 4 year old daughter, my favorite model along with my wife and son, that is also the reason I am into this hobby
zhangyue...are you really in Mountain View, as in Silicon Valley? I'm in Santa Cruz, just down the coast!!
I'm liking your ZE/ZF 35 1.4 shots. I had the ZE 35 1.4, loved it, but in the end, sold it 'cause I have a Rokinon 35 1.4. I do miss it,though, and took some wonderful shots with it...but my Rokinon is a very close second behind the ZE, with the bokeh being just a tad less creamy than the ZE!! I do have some really great shots of my son Mason with it, too!!
Yes, I am living in Silicon Valley. I have seen many excellent Rokinon shots. I am a Zeiss's fan, but not a Zeiss's Fanboy. To me, for a giving focal length and aperture, the good designed lens' difference is really small. There are many examples such as ZF85 & Nikon 85d/G. Canon 85L , MP100 and Nikon 105/2.5 105G, Canon 100L, also ZF35/1.4 and 35G 35L and your Rokinon.
For Nikon lens with good PP skill, I bet we were able to create 98% similar shot as Zeiss. At least for what I do. I feel for the same money, buy 35G should be a wiser move. Landscape shooter will benefit more from ZF/ZE lens.
There are several things I like zeiss, 1. skin tone has very good start point, it just pleasing to my eye. photographer with good PP, this difference may not there. but for me, this is reason I am into it. 2. Zeiss does very good at back-lit condition keeping contrast and detail better than my nikon 2.8G trinity, that may due to very complicated, multi elements/group design of nikon. For a short period with 85G, I feel it nothing short compare to Zeiss. (I don't like its over warm color, so 85D may be better for me, as I don't care corner sharpness. ) 3. Build quality. this is most important reason for me to invest Zeiss. The feel of shooting with well damped focus ring and feel of holding the cold metal case just make me can't go back to Nikon. If 85G is the same build quality as 24-70, I will sell my ZF85 and also buy the 35G as well. But I am stunned when holding that $1800 plastic lens in hand. It maybe more piratical as it may more robust with weather seal but in no way I am going to invest them for a life time relationship with them. It just feel CHEAP. Thanks god I am not a professional to force using those $2000 plastic 1.4G lens.
Santa Cruz is one of my favorite city that I like to go with my family other than SF. There is Patagonia outlet, I like to visit it often as we love that brand.
A shot from Santa Cruz with 24-70.
MP100 Monterey Beach.
Nov 23, 2011 at 02:23 AM
p.492 #16ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
zhangyue...that is also the reason I am into this hobby...me too!! Although I do have a full time job, I do portraits of families, couples, children, and babies on or near the beach in my spare time!
I tend to look for the best quality of a lens most of the time...with build quality a very high second! If the glass is built like a tank, but can't give me the results I want, well then, poo...I'll try something else! That wasn't the case with the ZE 35 1.4, it was the price!! For almost 1/4 the cost, the Rokinon does 95% what the ZE 35 1.4 does..but we'll see how long the Rok 35 lasts, too!! I might pick up another ZE 35 1.4 in the future, but right now, I have to buy my wife a new car!! which kind of stops me from making any new purchases
Keep the pics coming...
Gregg
I tend to look for the best quality of a lens most of the time...with build quality a very high second! If the glass is built like a tank, but can't give me the results I want, well then, poo...I'll try something else! That wasn't the case with the ZE 35 1.4, it was the price!! For almost 1/4 the cost, the Rokinon does 95% what the ZE 35 1.4 does..but we'll see how long the Rok 35 lasts, too!! I might pick up another ZE 35 1.4 in the future, but right now, I have to buy my wife a new car!!
which kind of stops me from making any new purchasesKeep the pics coming...
Gregg
Nov 23, 2011 at 09:45 AM
p.492 #17ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
I have both versions of the 35mm and they have different character. The f2 is more punchy and in your face rendering while the f1.4 is more subtle and smooth. I like both but I am not sure which one to keep. For portraits I would think that the f1.4 would be better due to smoother style and bokeh. Sorry for the cat but nothing else to shoot on a rainy day. 
Nov 23, 2011 at 10:25 AM
p.492 #18ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Great cat shot....
We all do animal shots, as they make the best models!! It's just those of us that post them are secure in our photography-hood!!
We all do animal shots, as they make the best models!! It's just those of us that post them are secure in our photography-hood!!
Nov 23, 2011 at 10:31 AM
p.492 #20ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Lieutenant: I like the last one!
Jim: minimalistic and superb - your photography is getting better and better...
Jim: minimalistic and superb - your photography is getting better and better...
Nov 23, 2011 at 05:20 PM