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p.1089 #1 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


AlexDROP_2.0 wrote:
Hello, FMers.
Happy to see the thread alive and to find new contributors as well.
I do remember the time it was started almost 1 thousand pages ago and those posts and images of @denoir@, @makten, @samuli vahonen, @philip_pj@ and @gunzorro that made me want to dive into ZE/ZF line and buy a copy of ZE 100MP. And I am amazed what @micke.vmix@ does. Thank you for sharing inspiration among us fellows. And I did a few contributions to the thread as well
And I did a few contributions to the thread as well

Now I need an advice about gear considering
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Alex -- Thanks for your kind words.

I had previously owned (around a dozen years ago) ZE 50/1.4 and had a terrible time trying to deal with focus shift on 5D2, 1D3 and 1Ds3. I returned that lens after a very short time testing.

Fast forward to last year -- I re-purchaced another ZE 50/1.4 and it worked wonderfully on both Canon R and Sony a7R2 and a7R4. I haven't noticed any focus shift issues, even when not stopped down prior to exposure. (I'll have to take it out and try some fresh mid-range apertures in bright light. Last use was in light foggy conditions.)

My advice for best MF experience is the Sony a7R4 with its wonderful EVF. The Canon RF bodies are very nice, but I find using the Sony with MF to be a better experience (I haven't used the R5 yet). On a budget, the a7R2 is still an excellent imaging body and quite easy to use with MF. I haven't used the Sony a7R3, skipped right to a7R4, but it should be fine and saves money over the 61MP a7R4. I even like my Canon R very much and have programmed the "slider" to magnify function.

One of my very favorite lenses is the ZE 28/2, which works very well on both the Canon and Sony bodies. Sony gives me more versatility, but even my R is great when sticking mostly to Canon-EF mount lenses via adapter. I haven't noticed any negative banding with the R, but I don't try to lift shadows more than 1.5 stops (usually I try to keep that to under one stop, even with Sony).

Whichever you pick -- enjoy!



Apr 14, 2021 at 08:51 AM
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p.1089 #2 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


AlexDROP_2.0 wrote:
Hello, FMers.
Happy to see the thread alive and to find new contributors as well.
I do remember the time it was started almost 1 thousand pages ago and those posts and images of @denoir@, @makten, @samuli vahonen, @philip_pj@ and @gunzorro that made me want to dive into ZE/ZF line and buy a copy of ZE 100MP. And I am amazed what @micke.vmix@ does. Thank you for sharing inspiration among us fellows. And I did a few contributions to the thread as well
And I did a few contributions to the thread as well

Now I need an advice about gear considering
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My vote would be for the A7rIII, BTW it's easy to take care of sensor dust with the A7rIII, I would not let that stop you from buying the camera.

Here are a few of what the A7RIII can produce for city/nightscape







Good luck with your choice !!

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Apr 14, 2021 at 11:47 AM
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ZE 21

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49300154958_43e31f3c64_h.jpg


Awesome, Joe! Especially that last building shot and sunset. Wow!


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As I mentioned, I just took out the ZE 50 Planar for a little spin. Wide open focusing is slightly hampered by SA glow on brightly lit subjects, and CA while trying to achieve magnified focus. Neither is a deal breaker, just something of an annoyance. Stopped down viewing would be my preference, but this is easier than manually stopping down with each viewfinder look.

Here are my first and last images of a bike-about this morning, both as 2-shot pano composites, one stacked vertical, the other side-by-side.

a7R4, Zeiss ZE 50mm f1.4, MC-11, LR












Apr 14, 2021 at 01:23 PM
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Gunzorro wrote:
Awesome, Joe! Especially that last building shot and sunset. Wow!

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As I mentioned, I just took out the ZE 50 Planar for a little spin. Wide open focusing is slightly hampered by SA glow on brightly lit subjects, and CA while trying to achieve magnified focus. Neither is a deal breaker, just something of an annoyance. Stopped down viewing would be my preference, but this is easier than manually stopping down with each viewfinder look.

Here are my first and last images of a bike-about this morning, both as 2-shot pano composites, one stacked vertical, the other side-by-side.

a7R4, Zeiss ZE 50mm
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Thank you Jim, kind of you.




Apr 14, 2021 at 08:52 PM
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Thank you all, guys, for your comments, shared experience and advices.

Grenache wrote:
I have been extremely happy with Sony FF platform for MF lenses, including the Zeiss ZE/ZF series. My only “issue “ with the has been the relative balance on the smaller format camera. These lenses feel very front heavy with Zeiss glass, compared to a traditional, heavy SLR. This is not a Sony-specific comment and instead applies to any mirrorless system with dense, heavy glass on the front. Battery grip can help there.

50P is a decent lens, but focus shift with it is brutal. This can be easily mitigated by stopping down and using the EVF in a mirrorless system...but
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I could decide to acquire a Voight 50/1.2 E instead but not sure as 50P has a special look wide open and a strong 3D feeling when stopped down a bit.
Considering a7R3 or a73 I choose the former because of its ability to crop heavily that may be very helpful with my travel lens set-up of 16-35/4 L and *to be acquired* Tamron 70-180.

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Makten wrote:
The Z* 50/1.4 Planar is not very "good" from a strictly technical perspective, if you shoot wide open at relatively close range, that's true. But there is so much more than that to a lens. It's still the nicest 50 I know of, and I still have one that I occasionally use on the GFX 50R. Unfortunately it gives too much curvature of field on that camera to use the full sensor, but it's fine at 33x33 mm and from ~f/2.4 or so.

The balance on smaller cameras is somewhat bad because of the longish adapter you need. But
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I used to have 50P for a month and loved it except it is manual. With classic 5D it was hit-or-miss to get focus nailed. With MILC camera I hope to re-evaluate this lens.

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Gunzorro wrote:
Alex -- Thanks for your kind words.

I had previously owned (around a dozen years ago) ZE 50/1.4 and had a terrible time trying to deal with focus shift on 5D2, 1D3 and 1Ds3. I returned that lens after a very short time testing.

Fast forward to last year -- I re-purchaced another ZE 50/1.4 and it worked wonderfully on both Canon R and Sony a7R2 and a7R4. I haven't noticed any focus shift issues, even when not stopped down prior to exposure. (I'll have to take it out and try some fresh mid-range apertures in bright light. Last use was
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Did you buy a new or used 50P? You claim you didn't notice focus shift with your new 50P so it is interesting to know if it is a new design quietly made by Zeiss or a sample-to-sample variation issue.
ZE28/2 is known to have strong 3D rendering as well yet it is not a very famous lens.
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IndyFab wrote:
My vote would be for the A7rIII, BTW it's easy to take care of sensor dust with the A7rIII, I would not let that stop you from buying the camera.

Good luck with your choice !!


I think all MILC cameras are equally vulnerable to sensor dust issue. Hopefully I do not change lenses a lot in non-controlled environment and moreover I prefer to use 2 cameras set-up when travelling to minimize lens changes.




Apr 15, 2021 at 07:23 AM
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p.1089 #7 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


AlexDROP_2.0 wrote:
Thank you all, guys, for your comments, shared experience and advices.

I could decide to acquire a Voight 50/1.2 E instead but not sure as 50P has a special look wide open and a strong 3D feeling when stopped down a bit.
Considering a7R3 or a73 I choose the former because of its ability to crop heavily that may be very helpful with my travel lens set-up of 16-35/4 L and *to be acquired* Tamron 70-180.

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I used to have 50P for a month and loved it except it is manual. With classic 5D it was hit-or-miss to get focus nailed. With MILC
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To clarify one point (after re-reading my remarks): I haven't noticed any significant focus shift when focusing at wide aperture and shooting at stopped down chosen aperture in f/4.0-8.0 range with my most recent lens. I simply focus carefully, making sure to keep CA fringing to a minimum, and all seems well. This is a used lens purchased here on B&S for around $300, which I consider an amazing bargain.

My previous lens was also used, but focus shift was several feet on stopping down at focus distance of around 12-16 feet. Quite shocking, really. Impossible to estimate the shift at time of shooting with DSLRs. I still don't have any explanation for such radical behavior.

The new mirrorless cameras are a huge improvement over trying to shoot with the old SLR/DSLR designs and give new life to these classic electronic coupled lenses.

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To your other comment: The ZE 28 is my favorite 28mm prime. It doesn't suffer from focus shift like the 50P, but it does have similar veiling SA flare at widest apertures. The "glow" pretty well disappears started at f/2.8, so it isn't really an issue except for initial focusing -- care to use magnified view solves this to check small details in image area. Both 28 and 50 have wonderful color and contrast when stopped down a few stops, and a very "atmospheric" look wide open.



Apr 15, 2021 at 08:26 AM
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Just a quick follow up—MILC have utterly changed my relationship with photography and made it better in every way. I find using MF film lenses to be an absolute joy and challenge on the Sony A7II, and doing so has changed many perspective. I gravitate toward “character” lenses, and having the capacity to adapt from any mount has allowed me to mix an outstanding set with very low cost. That includes two Zeiss: the ZF 25/2.8 and ZM 50/1.5, a Leica Macro-Elmarit R 60/2.8, and a handful of much overlooked Canon FD glass (thorium 35/2, 100/2, 80-200L/4, 300L/4). Most of these have minimal distortion, so I don’t worry much about the profiles, and can just enjoy making images.

Cheers,
Daniel



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p.1089 #9 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


AlexDROP_2.0 wrote:
Thank you all, guys, for your comments, shared experience and advices.

I could decide to acquire a Voight 50/1.2 E instead but not sure as 50P has a special look wide open and a strong 3D feeling when stopped down a bit.
Considering a7R3 or a73 I choose the former because of its ability to crop heavily that may be very helpful with my travel lens set-up of 16-35/4 L and *to be acquired* Tamron 70-180.

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I used to have 50P for a month and loved it except it is manual. With classic 5D it was hit-or-miss to get focus nailed. With MILC
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Easy/Peasy to clean Sony sensor, but I agree, having two camera's in the field with different primes saves a lot of time and hassle of changing lenses.

BTW using the Loxia & Voigtlander lenses on a Sony camera you get magnification for focus. Using ZE ZF ZM you can get magnification by creating a custom setting button on camera. . You will enjoy focusing on a Sony

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Gunzorro wrote:
Awesome, Joe! Especially that last building shot and sunset. Wow!

***************************

As I mentioned, I just took out the ZE 50 Planar for a little spin. Wide open focusing is slightly hampered by SA glow on brightly lit subjects, and CA while trying to achieve magnified focus. Neither is a deal breaker, just something of an annoyance. Stopped down viewing would be my preference, but this is easier than manually stopping down with each viewfinder look.

Here are my first and last images of a bike-about this morning, both as 2-shot pano composites, one stacked vertical, the other side-by-side.

a7R4, Zeiss ZE 50mm
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Jim, I forgot to mention the last shot of the slopping building was shot with a C/Y 35-70

Here's one with the C/Y 28 .
What I like about the C/Y lenses is they are much smaller & liter like the ZM line. I find the C/Y & ZE,ZF.ZM line more organic, where as the Loxia & Voigtlander to be a more modern look.






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5DsR Zeiss Classic 34/1.4 ZF2




lassic 35/1.4 ZF.2

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R5 + Zeiss 35/1.4 ZF






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At the Beach
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Spring Update (Although it actually snows outside my window right now)


Playing with Fire by micke vmix, on Flickr
D850 + 135/2 at F2.2


Surprises!! by micke vmix, on Flickr
D500 + 50/1.4 at F1.6


Spring Magic by micke vmix, on Flickr
D500 + 50/1.4 at F1.6


Bug(ger) Off by micke vmix, on Flickr
D850 + 85/1.4 Otus at F1.4


The old couple by micke vmix, on Flickr
D850 + 100/2 Makro Planar af F3.2


Turn of the tide by micke vmix, on Flickr
D850 + 100/2 Makro Planar af F2.0


The Last Dance by micke vmix, on Flickr
D850 + 100/2 Makro Planar af F2.0


The rare ones... by micke vmix, on Flickr
D850 + 135/2 at F2.0


Friends by micke vmix, on Flickr
D850 + 135/2 at F2.0


The Magic of Nature by micke vmix, on Flickr
D850 + 135/2 at F2.0

And something completely different..


Motion by micke vmix, on Flickr
D850 + 135/2 at F18

//Stay safe



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micke.vmix wrote:
Spring Update (Although it actually snows outside my window right now)


Lovely set!



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R5 + Zeiss Classic 35/1.4 ZE + Canon Ext Tube 12II






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micke.vmix wrote:
And something completely different..

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51086267487_5d055fa1c0_h.jpg
Motion by micke vmix, on Flickr
D850 + 135/2 at F18

//Stay safe


All good, but the wave photo is excellent!

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R5 + Zeiss Classic 35/1.4 ZE + Canon Ext Tube 12II
http://www.robert-chisholm.com/fred_miranda/2K6A4098.jpg


Nice Robert!!



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Thanks Mat

R5 Zeiss Classic 50/1.4 ZE + Canon Ext Tube 12II







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A7R III + ZE 100/2 MP







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R5 + 85ZE/1.4 + Canon Ext Tube 12II





R5 + 50ZE /1.4+ Canon Ext Tube 12II






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