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p.106 #1 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Thanks mortyb & Charles!


Jul 17, 2010 at 06:26 PM
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p.106 #2 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


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Well Philippe, I won't insist on the claim as I don't have the Planar and I only have sample images to go on - and there are a lot of uncontrolled variables there (shooting style, resizing etc). So these are only my impressions. You should be in a better position to judge it - the 50 MP has a very similar style (stopped down) to the 100 MP. Of the lenses that I own, I'd say that the 100 & 50 MP have the best resolution, and the 21 Distagon the best micro contrast. My 35/2 falls behind in both
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I hve not done any regular comparison between my 50/1.4 and 50/2 MP, but from real life shooting I found that 50/1.4 is softer at close distances and has lower overall microcontrast compared to 50/2MP.

Nice gothic entrance BTW Denoir



Jul 18, 2010 at 02:32 AM
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p.106 #3 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Seems that this thread has to be read daily, or you have to go through multiple pages for commenting...

Denoir,

First lightning storm image was great, reminded me that I still have some unprocessed 20D lightning images from 2006 since I never found good white balance, maybe modern RAW processing programs work better in this respect.
I liked your church HDR shots, you have kept very real look, no stupid HDR halos. Some of the images may have benefitted from slightly tighter gamma adjustment (assuming you use PhotoMatix).
Next set was the golden angels statue (outdoors) I did like most of the first image of backlight angel statue, thou cropping to 3:4 (getting rid off the excess sky) would be better - good decision to keep the sun in the middle of image = no lens flare/reflection same way as off-center sun inclusion.
Then next set were the forest/stream images, of which I liked most the 3rd image of stream and logs, very good usage of leading lines, or should I say leading logs
The 50MP macro photos look so much like 100ZE - this reminds me that I need to shoot also some macros with 50MP, I haven't had time for that yet, most of the shooting time I have wasted comparing it to 1.4 version...
Nice 100MP "demonstration" series, thou I disagree 100ZE not having 3D in medium distance, if botanist would have had same green shirt as in following picture and you would have managed somehow to get cloud (or even better cloud's edge) to shade the subject there would have been 3D - now sunlight is too direct and white shirt draws eye away from face etc. where surface texture can be seen, and the white shirt doesn't have depth details = no 3D as overall end result.

Philippe,

Creative composition with 28ZE to avoid the tourists.

johnahill,

Really like your 4th photo, re-presents the look I assume to get into my cityscapes. Louvre from the Seine-side? (the top of the buidling has same/similar shape)

Makten,

1.4/50 really suits your style - the mild contrast in bokeh and high contrast in focus plane really makes some of your photos to work.
For me both of your simple "get something out of nothing" images (salmon and green plant on dry ground) did "work", thanks for sharing. The green plant on dry ground looked quite bad on laptop (it could not represent shades on the dry white ground) even calibrated, but looks OK on desktop.

Charles,

Liked your 1st Lamington National Park image; horror movie colors on background and the warm light passing through the base of the tree makes this photo interesting.

Phil,

You have found nice garden - if you go again, you could try to use polarizer to reduce glare from the leaves. I liked most the 3rd shot.

Anden,

Nice red sky photo - It must be common to have those red after sunset skies in Malmö - when I worked there in 2005 there were almost always clouds to not actually have sunset but we did see this red sky many times each week (or then memory makes tricks and only remembers the good/nice things...)




My 0.02$ to the 50mm discussion:
- Canon 50/1.4, terrible sample variation, when you find good sample it's quite sharp but contrast is not so great and colors are really awful - If anything else than sharpness is considered then I would not consider this as option for 50mm, I have many 50EUR M42 50mm lenses, which I prefer over Canon
- Regards the two Zeiss lenses (50P = Planar, 50MP = Makro-Planar), I don't think there either of the lens is clearly better than another, if both would be put to test and results weighted as in average photography magazine/website rates lenses then 50MP would most probably win. However I'm complex guy, so in my thinking anything isn't that simple that we can just put a number to product representing it's "goodness". Below are my "rules" how I choose between the two 50mm lenses, which to take in the backbag or to shoot photo with:
--- infinity (landscape/cityscape), I choose 50P since I prefer it's rendering style, if for DOF lens needs to be stopped to f/11-13 then 50MP since it's larger contrast makes it slightly more diffraction "resistant"
--- medium distance with large aperture, "3D" shots => 50P (50MP has bigger contrast in bokeh and bokeh quality is worse, I find it harder to produce "3D" with 50MP, can be done but harder)
--- between close-up and medium distance (about 2m) I have not yet made tests, in here forum it's claimed that 50P bokeh is uglier
--- close-up; 50MP (sharpness, micro contrast, contrast and bokeh are better)
--- close-ups with "funky"/swirly bokeh; 50P
--- macro; 50MP
--- if I shoot infrared; 50MP (50P has very bad hot spot)
--- if it rains; 50MP (the combination of recessed front element and hood gives better protection; bigger contrast helps to win the haze/fog)
--- if I don't take 100ZE into camerabag with me then 50MP comes with me in order to have some macro lens with me
--- if I don't have possibility to mitigate focus shift: 50MP
--- if size/weight needs to be consider I won't take either, then I take 1.7/50C/Y...
- cheapest way to get both rendering styles is to get 50MP and 50C/Y, and aperture ring in lens also helps mitigating focus shift, no DOF button pressing or switching live view mode is needed - only bad thing is that there is only 6 aperture blades in C/Y version and in many situations bokeh gets ugly bokeh highlights

Since I mainly use 50mm field of view lens for medium distance shots and landscapes I have preference towards 50P - if I would have known how what I know now, I may not have purchased 50MP at all. But now when I have it, it's another tool in my camerabag and "horses for courses"; I try to always select the better suitable lens for the situation. As a side notice; I try to avoid taking both of them with me since then I easily get into lens comparison "mode" and shoot two versions of every target - this doesn't good any good for my photography, just loosing time.



I'll try to post some photos later today, apologies posting just text.

Samuli



Jul 18, 2010 at 03:54 AM
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p.106 #4 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Thank you Samuli!

The clouds are almost always stationed over Denmark and it gives really cool effects sometimes. The sunsets have been really colourful the last couple of weeks, probably due to the heat causing dust and such to polute the air.

All the best.

Andreas



Jul 18, 2010 at 06:37 AM
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p.106 #5 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Samuli,

Thanks for the comments, I will try a Polarizer next time, and thanks for the 50 comparison.

Phil



Jul 18, 2010 at 08:31 AM
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p.106 #6 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


denoir wrote:
Yes, the differences are definitely smaller, but still they are there. Here is a shot from my balcony (my standard lens test scene) shot with the Canon 50 f/1.4 and the Zeiss 50 MP - both at f/8. Usual procedure (tripod, live view focus, shutter release, timer, same settings etc).

I'll let you guess which one is which

Open in separate tabs and flip between them:

Lens 1 (Resized)
Lens 2 (Resized)

Lens 1 (100% crop)
Lens 2 (100% crop)

To me that's still a big difference, but I may have become overly sensitive to subtle variations in rendering. This thread tends to do that to
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I hope it's the second one.



Jul 18, 2010 at 08:43 AM
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p.106 #7 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Anden wrote:
I missed the sunset by ten minutes or so. The sky was unbelivable while I was driving there. This was all I got...

ZF21




Jul 18, 2010 at 09:52 AM
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p.106 #8 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


I earlier mentioned that 50MP seems to be very good in Infrared Photography, below are few photos, without any processing (mainly because I'm searching good method to convert to black and white and really haven't found any working very well).

Kuhmalahti 02 - Carl Zeiss Makro-Planar T* 2/50 @ f/5.6, 59s, ISO 100, Hoya R72


Jämsä 01 - Carl Zeiss Makro-Planar T* 2/50 @ f/5.6, 79s, ISO 100, Hoya R72


Jämsä 02 - Carl Zeiss Makro-Planar T* 2/50 @ f/5.6, 90s, ISO 100, Hoya R72


Samuli



Jul 18, 2010 at 01:36 PM
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p.106 #9 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


First one is beautiful, Samuli.


Jul 18, 2010 at 02:52 PM
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Charles - nice shot of the tree. I'm not sure what to think of the bokeh the 28 produces though. It seems to be LoCA free but is still rather harsh.

Gary, great shot of the canyon - very dramatic. Too bad about the overexposure of the left side.

Peire - Thanks!

Anden, beautiful pano - the inclusion of the Öresund bridge really makes the shot.

Samuli, thank you for the detail feedback - I really appreciate it. Although I'm not a fan of IR photography, the first shot is really great.

Adam - yes the second one is the Zeiss 50 MP and the first one the Canon 50 f/1.4. Exactly as Samuli said - the Canon is adequately sharp but really sucks in colors & contrast.


21 Distagon:



















Luka



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p.106 #11 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Samuel, I like your infrared photos, have they been achieved only with a Hoya R 72 filter, no camera modificatiions? Thanks joanlvh


Jul 18, 2010 at 07:11 PM
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Samuli, thanks. Yes taking shots in the rainforest is subject to very difficult lighting. The lighting is borderline, very blue green backdrop. If you correct the WB too much it does not look natural.

I really liked your perspective on the comparison, between the 50P and 50MP.

Nice IR shots. They are really well done.

Luka, nice shots!
Really liked the comparison between the canon 50/1.4 and 50MP. You can really see the difference, even at the higher f stop. Be nice to run the comparison there with the 50 Planar and 50MP

Thanks. With the lighting in rainforest, I found it a lot more difficult to make the ZE28 render to what I perceived. The 50MP and 100MP just work, whereas you have to be a lot more conscious of how to use the 28/2. The bokeh with bright contrasty hightlights, you do have be mindful.



Jul 18, 2010 at 08:00 PM
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p.106 #13 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Geez do I have a lot of catching up to do.....here are a few from this week with the ZF 100
































Jul 18, 2010 at 08:47 PM
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p.106 #14 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


denoir - amazing hill shots!

BTW, does anyone want to buy a like new (few month old) 50 MP ZE? I'm not selling mine (EVER), my friend is selling his. I tried talking him out of it, but he says he's moving onto the 100 MP ZE and cannot afford to have two ZE lenses because they're both makros and doesn't shoot 50 fL anyways, WTF!?!?

Anyway, I told him I'd ask around here, but I am helping him sell it locally, which will be a likely sale.
I'm not going to post it on the usual 4 buy and sell forums. Just wanted to mention it on here though.

PM me if there's any interest.

Now back to our regular programming. I like the bokeh on this shot I took while it was raining. Sorry guys I've been sick, it's the best I can do when I only leave the house for work and doctor apts. Anyway, at this distance the bokeh has this wet soggy sad look, kinda matches the mood of the day. Very neat, not something I usually see in my 50 MP ZE

50 MP ZE @2:







Jul 19, 2010 at 12:58 AM
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joanlvh wrote:
Samuel, I like your infrared photos, have they been achieved only with a Hoya R 72 filter, no camera modificatiions? Thanks joanlvh


Hi, as you can see from shutter speeds I have standard 5Dmk2. 2nd body with IR-filter removed would be nice, but I cannot justify spending 3kEUR for IR camera body, which is pretty useless for normal photography.

Philippe, I was long time looking your image wondering it doesn't work for me (typically your images do). The lack of micro contrast in foreground detail is enormous - only spot on photo which looks normal is the roof visible on top right corner. Did you miss focus on this one? It cannot be focus shift since it moves focus towards camera, not away from it - and in that kind of distance there is no meaningful focus shift.

Luka, liked the rendering style on 1st 21mm image.

Charles, good to hear that I'm not the only one struggling with 28Z* bokeh. Do you have the same weird problem as I that bokeh is worse on corners (larger DOF in corners + really harsh bokeh in some conditions example f/3.2). Somehow I don't have issues on bokeh otherwise, it's "great" (for 28) in middle of image, even at edges just corners really suck and have ruined many photos.

Samuli



Jul 19, 2010 at 01:11 AM
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Samuli Vahonen wrote:
Philippe, I was long time looking your image wondering it doesn't work for me (typically your images do). The lack of micro contrast in foreground detail is enormous - only spot on photo which looks normal is the roof visible on top right corner. Did you miss focus on this one? It cannot be focus shift since it moves focus towards camera, not away from it - and in that kind of distance there is no meaningful focus shift.

Samuli



Samuli, you are right of course. No, focus is OK. On the other hand, for some reason, I flubbed my sharpening big time, so the image is very soft. Apologies.



Jul 19, 2010 at 06:32 AM
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p.106 #17 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


That first shot is awsome Philippe!


Jul 19, 2010 at 08:23 AM
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Thanks Adam, Charles & Samuli!

rsolti13: I like the third shot - a nice composition. The fourth shot (bicycles) is very nice as well.

Adam: Yes, interesting bokeh - typically at 'flower distance' I get something like this with the 50 MP:








Jul 19, 2010 at 08:34 AM
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denoir wrote:
That first shot is awsome Philippe!



Thanks, Luka. Pity I have some burned highlights in the glass pane....



Jul 19, 2010 at 08:36 AM
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philber wrote:
Quite a few members have indicated that the 21 was "too wide" to be used comfortably except for landscape, or words to that effect.
I rest my case...


If you were talking about me, I said to wide for anything but landscape and architecture. Since the focal point in my opinion is the building I consider this architecture BTW, nice shots. And the whole 21 being to wide for much other then mentioned above, well that's just my opinion because of my style of shooting. I took a portrait of my dog the other day with the 21, and it was quite a funny shot. I didn't keep it as it's not to my taste, but you CAN use it if you want to.



denoir - I rarely shoot flower distances I guess that's why I don't see it much. But it was really kinda neat, a bit distracting, but neat. I wonder how the 50 1.4 would have done it... I like that swirly type background blur that makes everything look like it's being sucked into a black hole, but I haven't been able to do it yet with the 50 1.4, although others have! Maybe tomorrow if I'm feeling better I'll try to shoot some blackhole bokeh. BTW, nice flower shot.



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