Lotusm50 wrote:
and me too. ;-)
Seriously. How much support do I need? What are they going to do? Hold my hand?
That's funny. Given how much support MFDB's usually need and the high prices they charge and get for special support deals, nevermind forgetting the kind of support that modern cameras have had to have recently, is the M8 and 1DIII that far in the past that people have forgotten it? Do you want to buy lenses that backfocus and need to be sent back to Japan for calibration? etc, etc.
Beni wrote:
That's funny. Given how much support MFDB's usually need and the high prices they charge and get for special support deals, nevermind forgetting the kind of support that modern cameras have had to have recently, is the M8 and 1DIII that far in the past that people have forgotten it? Do you want to buy lenses that backfocus and need to be sent back to Japan for calibration? etc, etc.
How much support do MFDB "usually" need? And if "support" is typical of with 35mm format DSLR's, that certainly sufficient. Also what you are calling "support" for the M8 and 1Dlll is not support. That just warranty and repair to make sure the cameras you sold function as advertised. That's standing behind your product when you screw up. I need and expect no more support than I would get for any DSLR.
Lotusm50 wrote:
How much support do MFDB "usually" need? And if "support" is typical of with 35mm format DSLR's, that certainly sufficient. Also what you are calling "support" for the M8 and 1Dlll is not support. That just warranty and repair to make sure the cameras you sold function as advertised. That's standing behind your product when you screw up. I need and expect no more support than I would get for any DSLR.
There's generally a lot more hands-on support provided for MFDB's than for any of the 35mm-based systems. It's pretty much a given that you'll get the sort of handholding and replacement policies that are only available to high-end pro's in 35mm (IE top-tier CPS or NPS support).
However a lot of this is simply a function of pricing, better support is to be expected when you are spending $50k, sub-$10k MF digital buyers probably shouldn't expect the same support as those buying P65+'s.
mawz wrote:
However a lot of this is simply a function of pricing, better support is to be expected when you are spending $50k, sub-$10k MF digital buyers probably shouldn't expect the same support as those buying P65+'s.
Right. And to be honest. if I was given the choice of a $10K camera and $25K camera with $15K worth of customer "support", I'll take the $10K camera ever time.
Lotusm50 wrote:
Right. And to be honest. if I was given the choice of a $10K camera and $25K camera with $15K worth of customer "support", I'll take the $10K camera ever time.
I live in Las Vegas and attend the CES every year. Found the location listed in the CES guide after a lot of hunting. They had a tiny cubicle/office with a table and an 8" X 10" sign and no one in the office, middle of the afternoon on Saturday. That was all......
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I live in Las Vegas and attend the CES every year. Found the location listed in the CES guide after a lot of hunting. They had a tiny cubicle/office with a table and an 8" X 10" sign and no one in the office, middle of the afternoon on Saturday. That was all......
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Way in the back in South Hall 4, just a little temporary office with a tiny meeting table and a couple of chairs, un-occupied, nobody there.
CES is pretty generic. You can bet Pentax will have a much better presence at Photokina and PMA. That's where most camera specific introductions occur and also what receives the most photo specific media coverage. The majority of the CES attendes would not even know what a medium format digital camera was. I'm curious what sort of presence Hasselblad, Leica or PhaseMiya had there. My bet is non.
i think you should have a conversation with Rob Studdert about 645 lenses and why he stopped shooting Pentax medium format to use Mamiya medium format. the lenses were the main reason.
Herb...
mawz wrote:
The D3x's selling point is the 14-24 and 24-70G. If you're going to pay that much for the camera, you're going to want the camera with the best glass on the front. People are buying the D3x because of the perception that it both outperforms the 1DsmIII and that it allows use of best-in-class lenses. This is a different situation than in the MF market where the current options are not considered to have better lenses available than Pentax's FA645 lenses. Note that Pentax will need to deliver competitive IQ to take advantage of any cost advantages, people will pay extra for more IQ, that's a given. ...Show more →
assuming the camera works as advertised as opposed to works as designed. i consider the K10D and K20D broken by design because of poor noise performance designed into PRIME even when the underlying sensor has decent performance as the Sony in the K10D did.
Herb....
Lotusm50 wrote:
Right. And to be honest. if I was given the choice of a $10K camera and $25K camera with $15K worth of customer "support", I'll take the $10K camera ever time.
Looks like many photo trade shows are becoming irrelevant. Companies who won't be at PMA; Bron, Canon, Elinchrom, Hasselblad, Hensel, Leica, Mamiya/MAC Group, Multiblitz, Phase One, Profoto, Speedotron, Quantum, Voigtländer and Zeiss.
Will Pentax have a 645D at PMA And if they do, will it be a non-working model in a glass box, or a real working camera.
c.d.embrey wrote:
Looks like many photo trade shows are becoming irrelevant. Companies who won't be at PMA; Bron, Canon, Elinchrom, Hasselblad, Hensel, Leica, Mamiya/MAC Group, Multiblitz, Phase One, Profoto, Speedotron, Quantum, Voigtländer and Zeiss.
I'm surprised it's that many but I bet all of those companies show up at Photokina which seems like a show that may become even more important with the demise of PMA.
c.d.embrey wrote:
Looks like many photo trade shows are becoming irrelevant. Companies who won't be at PMA; Bron, Canon, Elinchrom, Hasselblad, Hensel, Leica, Mamiya/MAC Group, Multiblitz, Phase One, Profoto, Speedotron, Quantum, Voigtländer and Zeiss.
I believe Canon was the first major to pull out and, being so large, that likely had a ripple effect. The economy probably also has a lot to do with it but other reasons for larger companies such as Canon could be the convergence of digital technologies. The smaller, more specialized, high end photographic companies have always focused on Photokina. That show, being every two years, has always carried more mystique and prestige.
Trying to get the best bang for the buck. Targeted audience -- PMA is a show for retailers like drug store, big-box stores, etc who do not sell high end equipment. Real camera stores also attend, but in far fewer numbers. That's my guess.
Shows tend to come and go. COMDEX (as big a zoo as CES) has been replaced by INTEROP for IT pros, and on the low end by CES.
Here's good bang for buck! Canon, Leica, MAC GROUP/Mamiya/Profoto, Quatum and Speedotron will be at the Professional Photographers of California Pro Photo Expo 2010http://www.prophotoca.com/ because the show is for wedding/portrait photographers, people who do buy expensive pro equipment! BTW Nikon and Pentax will not be there, (not enough penetration in this market ?)
c.d.embrey wrote:
Trying to get the best bang for the buck. Targeted audience -- PMA is a show for retailers like drug store, big-box stores, etc who do not sell high end equipment. Real camera stores also attend, but in far fewer numbers. That's my guess.
Shows tend to come and go. COMDEX (as big a zoo as CES) has been replaced by INTEROP for IT pros, and on the low end by CES.
Here's good bang for buck! Canon, Leica, MAC GROUP/Mamiya/Profoto, Quatum and Speedotron will be at the Professional Photographers of California Pro Photo Expo 2010http://www.prophotoca.com/ because the show is forwedding/portrait photographers, people who do buy expensive pro equipment! BTW Nikon and Pentax will not be there, (not enough penetration in this market ?)
Ugh, somebody nudge the lens engraver, he looked a bit sotted on those last letters, judging by the blur... ;-)
By the way, THAT looks like a camera that will suck your soul, with it's cyclops flash.
That placement should yield the ultimate in American Apparel ad campaign imagery. EOS20 wrote:
Something like this would be great!
And if they do, will it be a non-working model in a glass box, or a real working camera.