I don't care if its the D700x or the D700s, if they incorporate the articulated, tilt-able, move-able rear LCD of the D5000 into it, I'll put my money down right now.
Buy the camera that fills most/all of your needs. Upgrade only when something comes along that fills the unfilled needs, not wants. You just might save some money that would be better spent on the little things that make getting great shots easier.
Jammy Straub wrote:
I doubt they'll make a D700s, for no other reason than it'd fit my needs perfectly and I'm not that lucky. Word on the street is we'll see a D800 next year instead of a d700s/x. Some thing that's in between the D3s & D3x sensor wise. I think the rumor is 18mp, I would hope the high ISO quality can be brought to D3s levels, hard telling. If it's close and has dual card slots I'm game.
I do have high hopes for 2010 release wise. If you get a D700 now you can always resell and recoup most of what you payed....Show more →
That's what a lot of people are talking about and I think it would be a smart move.
This way they wouldn't hit head on with their own line up but most importantly would occupy a unique segment with a very versatile camera for both studio and low light
farski wrote:
I have a D300 and D700, and the IQ improvement going from the 300 to 700 is nothing short of amazing when I need it. 95% of the time, though, I'm taking a shot that will look _exactly_ the same regardless of which camera I took it with. A daylight shot at ISO200 or 400 posted to Flickr or Facebook will have no discernible difference based on the camera.
so true.. I found it interesting comparing my uploaded web images from our snow trip last year (D300 + nice glass) with the year before (D70 + same nice glass). Really, no difference between the processed lightroom exports (no flickr or facebook; it is my own site with no resizing..)
Not to say I'm not super fond of the improved high ISO, autofocus speed for fast stuff, and general feel of the D300
Nikon just did a D700 user survey asking registered owners what they'd want in a replacement camera. Normally you do that early in a products design cycle... And remember, we got the D700 a year after the D3 because Nikon was getting fantastic yields on the image chip. If we see a D3x or D3s based camera would largely depend on the supply/demand ratio.
I'm guessing if we get another prosumer FX camera this year it will be based on a new chip - something with less resolution than the D3x, and less low light ability than the D3s.
Lotusm50 wrote:
I don't care if its the D700x or the D700s, if they incorporate the articulated, tilt-able, move-able rear LCD of the D5000 into it, I'll put my money down right now.
Wow, that would drive me away from it...I don't want a more breakable camera.
p.2 #10 · Any speculation of "D700S" release date?
Robb Mann wrote:
Nikon just did a D700 user survey asking registered owners what they'd want in a replacement camera. Normally you do that early in a products design cycle... And remember, we got the D700 a year after the D3 because Nikon was getting fantastic yields on the image chip. If we see a D3x or D3s based camera would largely depend on the supply/demand ratio.
I'm guessing if we get another prosumer FX camera this year it will be based on a new chip - something with less resolution than the D3x, and less low light ability than the D3s.
So, how did they pick WHICH registered owners to ask? I've had a D700 since it first came out ($3k), am a registered owner, and no one sent me a survey...
No wonder I'm winding up with ISO 1,000,000,000,000,000 cameras that won't go down to ISO 25-50 and have to spend $$$ on ND filters (+ the inconvenience of them).
p.2 #11 · Any speculation of "D700S" release date?
The store I work for in the UK hasn't had stock of the D700 for what seems like a few weeks. Last time I saw this was with the D300, and it was a short while before the D300s announcement.
p.2 #12 · Any speculation of "D700S" release date?
irish-george wrote:
Wow, that would drive me away from it...I don't want a more breakable camera.
This is the greatest myth in the world. Never ever have we had a camera with an articulated screen come back because the screen broke off. In fact, a screen that can be reversed and closed away is going to provide EXTRA protection.
IF people are are so worried about themselves being rough with camera, they just leave the screen in it's position and never take it out and then it's not a swivel screen. Easy.
p.2 #14 · Any speculation of "D700S" release date?
nikt wrote:
This is the greatest myth in he world. Never ever have we had a camera with an articulated screen come back because the screen broke off. In fact, a screen that can be reversed and closed away is going to provide EXTRA protection.
IF people are are so worried about themselves being rough with camera, they just leave the screen in it's position and never take it out and then it's not a swivel screen. Easy.
I loved my Canon G5 screen ...it was so nice ....you can do a lot of thing s with it so you don't need to be @ an odd angel , and it takes quite a lot of force to break it (I never tried it but sometimes just mistakenly thinking i will rotate 360 instead of 270 ..)
p.2 #15 · Any speculation of "D700S" release date?
LLondon wrote:
Buy the camera that fills most/all of your needs. Upgrade only when something comes along that fills the unfilled needs, not wants. You just might save some money that would be better spent on the little things that make getting great shots easier.
After spending several tens of thousands of dollars on photo gear during my lifetime, this is the philosphy I've finally evolved to. I never buy something just because it's the hot camera or lens of the day, and everyone's talking about it on internet forums. I have to establish a NEED for something before I ever buy, and then I analyze and think it over for several months. I like to take photos at night, especially of trains. I do a lot of night photography in general. Some of you are going to tell me "You need the D700!" Well, I tried one several times. I got about 1 to 1 & half stops better ISO than what my D300 gives. That's just not enough to justify the expense of camera + lens switch.
I'll give you an example from just last night. I set up x6 Nikon SB-28 flash at a highway crossing that was packed with snow that I knew a train was heading for late last night. I knew it could be a seriously cool photo as the train traveling 40 mph hit the 4 ft. high wall of snow! Train came and problem was I couldn't see the thing--it was totally dark. I took my shot and was about two seconds too soon. All I got was a perfectly focussed and exposed explosion of snow--no train. Hitting the shutter again was not an option. The recycle of the flash is about 5 seconds and the engine was well out of the scene by then. I have missed a couple of shots because my flash don't recycle fast enough. My monolights have about 25x more power, but also recycle in about 4 seconds. So, would buying a D700 help me get my shots? Absolutely not. Money wasted. There are some new monolights going on sale shortly from PCB that are supposed to recycle 640ws in 1.7 seconds, and lower power at 1 second.. That will do what I want! Buying two of these things will give me the capability I need to take the kinds of photos I want to take. The "hot" camera of the month will not.
By thinking of photo gear as a SYSTEM, I am able to best use my resources (money) to most efficiently buy the pieces that work together as a team to do what I want it to do. I learned long ago to not buy impulsively.
p.2 #16 · Any speculation of "D700S" release date?
rjn_design wrote:
My feeling is buy the D700 now and use it. I was on the fence waiting and a couple months ago purchased the D700 and now wondering why I waited, it is a amazing camera.
Robert
Amen! That's what I did back in August...frankly I kick myself for not getting my D700 sooner. It's a great camera.
p.2 #17 · Any speculation of "D700S" release date?
Finally someone raised the *needs* issue (thanks Kent); it never fails to amaze that people wax lyrical or condemn a camera or system, discuss endlessly, with no idea what another photographer will do with the device! Equally, why do OPs almost never mention their usage pattern or needs?
If you do not need large files, the D700 is just a great camera - be happy. Like many others I feel the sensor in the D3X is a game changer for landscape usage, a big file need if ever there was one. Once I discovered how good the A900 delivered colour and its other usage benefits like low weight, robust body, VF, DR, nice ergonomics and great interface (no settings banks!) it looked way better than waiting for Godot, err, Nikon, to do the bleeding obvious. 7 months have now passed and still Nikonista experts like Thom etc. speculate on the vapourware D700x or D800 or..or...best of luck for those waiting.
To end with a question: what will a 2nd hand D700 be worth if/when this new camera appears?
p.2 #18 · Any speculation of "D700S" release date?
philip_pj wrote:
To end with a question: what will a 2nd hand D700 be worth if/when this new camera appears?
It will then no longer be the "hot camera" and suddenly it will be junk. I predict prices will fall to $1,200 by the end of the coming year. That sounds cheap and probably is, but remember there's still the price of the FX lenses for it. Lenses rarely drop very much in value. Good ones have been increasing in price. That's one of the reasons I have been concentrating on buying the very best lenses while going cheaper on cameras.
p.2 #19 · Any speculation of "D700S" release date?
Two23 wrote:
It will then no longer be the "hot camera" and suddenly it will be junk. I predict prices will fall to $1,200 by the end of the coming year. That sounds cheap and probably is, but remember there's still the price of the FX lenses for it. Lenses rarely drop very much in value. Good ones have been increasing in price. That's one of the reasons I have been concentrating on buying the very best lenses while going cheaper on cameras.
Kent in SD
I agree - look at D3 prices since the D3x came out - you can get them for under $3K now! The lower the D3 gets, the lower the D700 will go too - if a D700 replacement comes out, the D700 will probably be right in the $1200 range.
That said, I never buy a camera for resale, I buy it because it serves a purpose that I can't fulfill otherwise.
Still waiting for the D3xs - 24 MP, D3 like noise levels @6400, 9 Fps etc etc
p.2 #20 · Any speculation of "D700S" release date?
People should choose whichever camera they want/need. Some people don't want to be consistently 2-3yrs behind with the technology. In some instances the "improvements" are negligible but in other cases they can be quite significant. I say jump in with both feet and enjoy the technology. There is more than just the cost analysis - there is the equally important enjoyment factor as well.
I feel the same way.
Train came and problem was I couldn't see the thing--it was totally dark. I took my shot and was about two seconds too soon. All I got was a perfectly focussed and exposed explosion of snow--no train. Hitting the shutter again was not an option. The recycle of the flash is about 5 seconds and the engine was well out of the scene by then. I have missed a couple of shots because my flash don't recycle fast enough. My monolights have about 25x more power, but also recycle in about 4 seconds. So, would buying a D700 help me get my shots? Absolutely not. Money wasted. There are some new monolights going on sale shortly from PCB that are supposed to recycle 640ws in 1.7 seconds, and lower power at 1 second.. That will do what I want! Buying two of these things will give me the capability I need to take the kinds of photos I want to take. The "hot" camera of the month will not.