tazo wrote:
i am dismayed to see the d70 called a prosumer camera... i thought "prosumer", i.e. total crap ended with the 8700....
Daniel "Prosumer" is just a word to distinguish between a camera that is built to be used all day long, every day for years vs. one that is not designed for that much wear and tear. Nikon will sell more D70's in a few months than they will sell in their entire line of Professional cameras in a year. My point was and is, this is where the money is, and I hope they make a lot of it.
I have never heard of a camera making someone a good photographer.
I have followed this thread with great interest and I finally couldn't stand it and pulled out a heringbone suit and captured some images to see if I could reproduce this problem. I have to say I can not get my D70 to display the moire problem that some others are experiencing.
Now if I save the image that is greater than my screen display (1024x768) then Explorer will automatically reduce the image so it fits on the screen, then I see some moire. But I can take that same image and blow it up 100% and it looks very clean.
So I do not know what to make of this problem. It does not appear that it effects all D70's.
I have experienced Moire on 5 out of around 150 images with my D70. The moire I saw was very minor compared to what is seen here in this post. It seems thibgs need to be just at the right focal length for the moire to appear. I took around 10 pictures of my son all pretty much the same and only one picture showed some moire on his sleave.
Indeed this is an issue that most need not worry too much about , but a Pro like Mark cannot have this issue , too much rides on confidence , of the shooter and the client , I could Never have a camera that would make me have 2nd thoughts on a job , there is tooooooo many other things to think about other than this biting me in the butt.
I dropped the S2 for this very reason, I cannot stand to wait around to see the images I just captured and I can't have a file telling me how to process it and the Fuji has this issue with pattern noise that shows up if you try to do any shadow recovery , my D100 and the D2H did not do this to me , they give much wider latitude in post processing and they are much more responsive as far as my style of shooting , others are fine with these compramises I for one am not
you have a great camera , many are looking for perfection, there are compramises in every camera or system, I shot the D100 and made money with it you will do the same , Never forget what matters is that you hold up your head, forget about the moniker and have fun , you waited a long time for your camera and now it's time to just learn everyday, and people will be people , I never minded at all that people called the D100 a prosumer camera for indeed that is what it is , if this camera did not have the issues Mark has ran into do you think he would care if it were a prosumer camera?
cmacclel wrote:
I have experienced Moire on 5 out of around 150 images with my D70. The moire I saw was very minor compared to what is seen here in this post. It seems thibgs need to be just at the right focal length for the moire to appear. I took around 10 pictures of my son all pretty much the same and only one picture showed some moire on his sleave.
Mac
It is exactly the fact that one cannot predict when moire will occur that makes the D70 such a frustrating camera. I really thought I had nothing to worry about after my own tests, which I figured would disprove the threads I was reading on the topic. Well after convincing myself that moire was not a problem with the D70, It snuck up behind me and bit me.
One good example: I wouldn't dare shoot a wedding (not that I shoot weddings) with the D70. What a shame considering the 1/500 flash sync, fast RAW file writing, great color, low noise at high ISO...the list of A+ features goes on...but if you cannot predict when and where moire will show up, and when it does show up it is as bad as what I've seen, then that's just too risky. Honestly I love the D70 and if the moire issue is worked out I'd consider it again, but by that time I expect the Fuji S3 and the Nikon D2x will be available. The price of the camera really doesn't matter to me; dollar for dollar the D70 is the most robust camera on the market in the 6-megapixel category. I really am sad I cannot use it for my work.
But still! I usually reserve such a negative connotation as prosumer behind upon entering the DSLR world...
nm.
-daniel
IMO if Nikon is seriously treating the so-called "prosumer" camera so differently from their "professional"models ... it's no different from committing a suicide.
Mark I agree with you 100% thats why I think the D70 is going back and I'll stick with the 10D until something better in it's price range comes along. After seeing Nikon's response on the moire issues of the D70 it looks as though they will do nothing.
I think you will see a solution shortly , send it back if you feel you have to , but in a high percentage of images there will not be problems, if I were shooting things other than fabrics I don't think I would have issues with this camera at all, as it is I have the d2H
Well John I would love to keep the camera but I take alot of people pictures and sadly enough they all where fabric. I only have a 10 day window to return the camera to ritz. If Nikon comes up with a fix I'm sure I will buy another D70, the kit lens is very sharp and is of great value and usable range.
I think you will see a solution shortly , send it back if you feel you have to , but in a high percentage of images there will not be problems, if I were shooting things other than fabrics I don't think I would have issues with this camera at all, as it is I have the d2H
J
Actually the next version of Bibble deals with both the moire and the mosaic artifacts. Example photos are from a beta version, so critiquing the color & contrast isn't exactly fair, but it seems that the problems can be dealt with in software. Expect to see other RAW converters adapt to the issues presented by the D70.
Personally I am not to keen on using Bibble to process RAW files - although I shouldn't speak until I see what the new version is all about. Of course one could just use Bibble as a backup, processing most RAW files in Nikon Capture, and then turning to Bibble for those problem files... but if Capture One, Adobe Camera RAW, or Nikon Capture find software solutions for the D70 moire issue then hooray! I'm sure this is just a bump in the road.
cmacclel wrote:
Well John I would love to keep the camera but I take alot of people pictures and sadly enough they all where fabric. I only have a 10 day window to return the camera to ritz. If Nikon comes up with a fix I'm sure I will buy another D70, the kit lens is very sharp and is of great value and usable range.
Mac
The kit lens is sharp, but did you notice that in bright light (outdoors) there was alot of chromatic abberation, especially towards the 70mm end?
cmacclel wrote:
Well John I would love to keep the camera but I take alot of people pictures and sadly enough they all where fabric. I only have a 10 day window to return the camera to ritz. If Nikon comes up with a fix I'm sure I will buy another D70, the kit lens is very sharp and is of great value and usable range.
Mac
The kit lens is sharp, but did you notice that in bright light (outdoors) there was alot of chromatic abberation, especially towards the 70mm end?
Sectarian wrote:
The kit lens is sharp, but did you notice that in bright light (outdoors) there was alot of chromatic abberation, especially towards the 70mm end?
Actually, I almost forgot to ask ... have you noticed any light fall-off around the corners with the 18-70? I've seen some pretty bad samples even on the tele end.
Actually I never noticed any CA but the subjects I took pictures of where not prone to CA maybe tomorrow I'll take a few pictures of cars and see what I can come up with.
