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Archive 2009 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?

  
 
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p.1 #1 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


So, I've been on a big selling binge lately, and it continues, but my Buy-It-Now finger got itchy the other day and I have a new condition Asahi-Pentax 50mm f4 Macro-Takumar (preset) on the way. As far as I know, this is the only classic 50mm macro lens that does 1:1 macro without any attachments. I've also discovered that it was tested at one point to resolve 81 lp/mm at f8. Not too shabby for a 4 element design (could we call this a "Macro-Tessar"?)

http://www.butkus.org/chinon/pentax/pentax_spotmatic/lens20.jpg

SteveFE over at forum.manualfocus.org really loves his copy and has posted some really nice samples. In anticipation of the arrival of this lens, does anyone out there have any experience with it? Samples? Opinions?



Nov 11, 2009 at 07:38 PM
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p.1 #2 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


optically it is fantastic like any other macro lense. Super sharp. I can't recall if my copy did 1:1.
I can't find any samples at the moment, but it was sharp.
Oh, focusing was very smooth



Nov 11, 2009 at 07:47 PM
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p.1 #3 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


Tri Tran wrote:
Oh, focusing was very smooth


Of course!

Thanks for feeding my excitement!

Yes, the later auto versions (Super and SMC) only did 1:2 but they were optically identical to the preset version, AFAIK.

The preset version does this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/69699465@N00/2934666481/

But the subsequent versions only had about half that extension.



Edited on Nov 11, 2009 at 07:56 PM · View previous versions



Nov 11, 2009 at 07:53 PM
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p.1 #4 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


Yeah, preset macro-takumar is 1:1. I like it a lot and I am sure you will like it.


Nov 11, 2009 at 07:54 PM
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p.1 #5 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


Good to know there are more of you out there!

Samples?!



Nov 11, 2009 at 07:57 PM
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p.1 #6 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


well, not exactly macro, but here is an example. 2nd shot is the cropped of the center.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2768/4096360279_e2f915bc19_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2627/4096360285_a249fc984d_b.jpg

I really don't know why I sold it?



Nov 11, 2009 at 08:24 PM
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Nov 11, 2009 at 08:43 PM
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p.1 #8 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


Oh, nice! I have been looking for one of these with - no luck, they are hard to find...

There were a couple of examples posted here that got me drooling over this lens.





Nov 11, 2009 at 09:15 PM
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p.1 #9 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


Some of cavewalkers samples - love the star effect:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/662530/84



Nov 11, 2009 at 09:40 PM
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p.1 #10 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


Looks nice! Simple is good sometimes. Look at some of the more reknown rangefinder lenses... simple symmetrical designs sometimes yield the best results. This tak looks like a near-symmetrical modified gauss design. There's a lot of great macros that are similar though usually at least 5 elements.

-Ed



Nov 11, 2009 at 11:02 PM
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p.1 #11 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


Well, I picked it up this morning and it is already screwed up. The focus ring was a bit "odd" when I first started using it. It then got stuck completely and I had to mess around with it to get it unstuck. Then all of a sudden it became very, very smooth (Takumar smooth) but it won't focus any further than 2 feet. I feel ripped off. Other than that, it is in "brand spanking new" condition. Odd. Very odd.


Nov 13, 2009 at 04:53 PM
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p.1 #12 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


That sucks!

This has been one of those "on my radar" lenses for some time now but I never see them...



Nov 13, 2009 at 05:01 PM
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p.1 #13 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


Getting back to your selling binge: what all have you sold?


Nov 13, 2009 at 05:02 PM
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p.1 #14 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


Paul,

If it won't focus any further than 2 feet it means that the "center lens assembly" is not moving close enough toward the back of the lens.

I realize that you already know that part but I suggest that you check that the "finger(s) or prongs" that prevent the center lens assembly from rotating as the focus ring is turned are engaging in the corresponding slots in the assembly. If they do not engage with these slots they act as stops preventing further movement of the assembly toward the back of the lens. Normally the focus ring prevents disengagement of these prongs as its own stops fall inside the limits of travel of the center lens assembly.

The lens may have previously been reassembled incorrectly or perhaps the retaining screws for the prongs have backed off. You may be able to get things working again by removing the retaining screws and pulling out the prongs. Rotate the focus ring toward infinity until the entire center lens assembly rotates one full turn and the slots are back in position to receive the prongs. Reinstall the prongs and you should be able to focus to infinity or at least close to infinity. If you are lucky you will get infinity, if not, it simply means that a bit more adjustment will be required elsewhere.

If you don't get (but get closer to) infinity and the prongs keep disengaging when focusing to MFD it is because the center lens assembly field of movement is shifted too far forward. This shortens MFD but prevents reaching infinity focus and results in the disengagement I describe. I think I can help you correct this possible outcome as well.

I hope this helps.



Nov 13, 2009 at 06:12 PM
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p.1 #15 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


Thanks for the advice Nick. After I posted that last message, I decided I had nothing to lose and I took the lens apart. I'm happy to say I figured it all out!

It is all back together and I get full focus travel and it is super-smooth, as it should be. It was much easier to fix than I thought it would be.

Some good news, for a change! Yay!



Nov 13, 2009 at 08:34 PM
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p.1 #16 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


I wonder how good the flatness of field is with only a 4-element design.
Sharpness is probably very good, but I wonder about the secondary stuff.



Nov 13, 2009 at 09:35 PM
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p.1 #17 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


Paul, nice to hear you got it working!

Those Taks have a super focus action don't they?

Look forward to seeing some pics from your efforts this weekend...



Nov 13, 2009 at 09:56 PM
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p.1 #18 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


Looks like a nice lens. I believe Vivitar made a 55mm macro that focuses 1:1, but It's probably newer/less classic/maybe not as nice as the Takumar.


Nov 13, 2009 at 11:15 PM
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p.1 #19 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


In good light this lens lives on 5D1 for walkaround the forest; wide range of subjects from from landscapes to 1:1 macro, excellent IQ from wide open. Can't locate right now a particular photo that caught my attention -- so there I was walking through the woods without other lenses, see a deer in the distance through the brush (infinity), wishing I had the 200mm I figured what the heck and snapped it anyway -- the deer is so unbelievably sharp in that photo even at 100% actual pixels! (still looking for that photo -- now the rains have arrived I'll be spending more time inside with the computer and a warm fire in the woodstove...)

I'm interested in cogitech experiences with this lens; very surprised it is "new" there, and considering the past I predict it will be a surprise favorite!



Nov 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM
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p.1 #20 · Macro-Takumar 50/4 Preset, anyone?


I tried a bunch of stuff with it last night; stars, street lights, indoor stuff, added an m42 2x tele-converter, etc. Will post results when I return home (away for the weekend).

So far, I love it



Nov 14, 2009 at 04:29 PM
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