Sam Bennett wrote:
Except that buying a 1000D and a bunch of EF-S lenses means you still have an upgrade path with those lenses to the 500D, the 50D or the 7D before you have to sell everything off. Jumping from "EF-SS" to EF-S would mean you're completely hosed, even though the crop-factor likely hasn't changed.
Not if these cameras can take EF-SS AND EF-S lenses. This was dicussed already.
dasrocket wrote:
Not if these cameras can take EF-SS AND EF-S lenses. This was dicussed already.
It would be impossible for EF-S to take EF-SS lenses, assuming that EF-SS used a shorter flangeback than EF-S. Without a shorter flangeback, you don't really have a need for a new format - you might as well just reduce the size of the camera as much as you can by slimming it down around the mount, removing the OVF, etc.
yep....the ideal cam would have a shorter registry than current cams and plenty of adapters with a special focus on EF/EF-S that enable those lenses to be used with AF/IS/Auto aperture (and others from 3rd parties) ... that with a large, ultra high res EVF that has a broad dynamic range would be amazing... I get the feeling thought that maybe Canon will not be the first on the scene with such a camera.... perhaps if Zeiss decides to bring back the Contax brand we may see them enter the market with such a camera... now that would REALLY shake things up... however if Canon did this they would finally remedy their big sin of making all FD lenses obsolete... if the new mirrorless cams could use both mounts that would be amazing (though the bean counters would probably freak at the very idea of us using old lenses but hey...I can dream, right?).
Sam Bennett wrote:
Without a shorter flangeback, you don't really have a need for a new format - you might as well just reduce the size of the camera as much as you can by slimming it down around the mount, removing the OVF, etc.
This will indeed be the simplest route. I wonder if Canikon will do that. With the current economic climate, this is also the cheapest and less risky route.
The market for a FF mirrorless camera is extremely small
It always makes me wonder why people make such unfounded and unjustified comments. You simply don't know, because the product does not exist yet.
I realise that I'm coming late to this debate, but I wonder if the Samsung NX10 has not already deflated some the quite dogmatic and narrow arguments from the product developer here.
The fact is, the EVIL cameras seems to be selling far more than anyone predicted, and seem to be carving out a real market for themselves. Who knows whether a FF Evil camera will follow or not. Canon/Nikon, however cautious and conservative, have to compete and neither will want to see their market share draining off to Panasonic.
To simply repeat ad nauseum the refrain that thos buying EVIL cameras are those grading up from compacts seems to be more dogma. I've spoken to dozens of photographers who see the rise of small, well-engineered Evil cameras as a great opportunity to free themselves from always lugging a DSLR around. Surely there is a massive market in travel and leisure photography that will be tapped into here.
someone wrote:
The market for a FF mirrorless camera is extremely small
wolfloid wrote:
It always makes me wonder why people make such unfounded and unjustified comments. You simply don't know, because the product does not exist yet.
Indeed. I would also add, "small" in comparison the what? The entire FF market could be considered "small". Most of the cameras sold (compact P&S's aside) are entry-level crop sensor budget DLSRs. Does that mean Nikon shouldn't make a D3x, or Canon a 1D MkIV? or Even a 5D or D700? I would think that a FF mirrorless camera would have a market as big as any of these FF cameras. It would certainly be moire expensive than a NX10 or a GF1, but then a 5D is more expensive than Rebel Xti and that hasn't hurt its success.
I only read the first page, but I keep thinking of any camera using live video as a viewfinder, that would mean taking the camera away from my face, which I am not in favor of, I like having the camera to my face.
I have used the Panasonic G1 for periods (together with a 5D and later the 5DMkII) since November 2008. I never doubted other manufacturers would make similar cameras.
We can now see the Samsung NX come, and with the NX we also see the first step taken from a LIVE 2x crop camera to a LIVE 1.5 crop camera.
Anyone drawing a mental line at the 1.5 crop sensor size is just in a temporary state of denial.
When out taking images I see no practical difference in focusing speed between the G1 and its cheap little kit lens and say the 5D with an EF50/1.4. There is a difference, possible to measure and all that bit for any AF-S situation there is no disadvantage to the little G1.
Now I can hear you think that the 5DMkII isn't a top AF camera... But then I also don't think the G1 represents the top of contrast AF technology mankind can achieve either.
Now add much better viewfinder for manual focusing and the image reviewed right in the viewfinder, smaller lenses, near silent shooting and a lot of other small bits - and you still think the big manufacturers won't make a FF LIVE camera? It will happen. it will take over a lot of the market and it won't take 7-10 years.
