p.2 #1 · Electronic Viewfinders - The way of the future?
I agree that a bigger version of the G1's EVF would be very nice, but still nowhere near as good as a quality OVF.
I don't think of it as emulating old VF methods. The purpose of all viewfinders is to compose an image. It seems natural to use optics/glass to do so since the camera uses optics as well....
p.2 #2 · Electronic Viewfinders - The way of the future?
Apparently the new technology from the Epson EVF is meant to be better then the screen found on the G1. It will be interesting to see the new EVF when it's available in a camera (High possibility it will be on one of the Samsung NX cameras).
Remember, this is only the first generation of EVF interchangeable lens cameras, Imagine what the technology will be like in about 5 years from now! Samsung predicts that 25% of the market will be EVF cameras by 2012!
p.2 #3 · Electronic Viewfinders - The way of the future?
Sam N wrote:
An EVF that's just as good as the best optical finders is a LONG way off... especially if you consider optical RF/VFs like the one in the Zeiss Ikon.
I have an Ikon and its very nice to have a look through it, but I think its a bit overrated as a feature. Personally I just dont think it makes a significant difference in the bottom line, I've used tremendously crappy VFs in the past for manual focusing like the Canon 400D and although it sucked, in the end I simply got used to it. I'd much rather have the ability to see through the lens, but do away with the clunkiness of the mirror and put up with an EVF which is not so great. These things improve pretty quickly, its just electronics.
p.2 #4 · Electronic Viewfinders - The way of the future?
I'm really looking forward to a 1.5x EVF camera that will take M mount. A ZM 18 and ZM 50/1.5 would be a sweet combo. Yeah, a bigger sensor would be nice but not for today's price. I'd rather have a reasonable size at an affordable price today and then upgrade the body in a few years. At least 1.5x keeps wide angle lenses in the wide angle category and turns those great 50's into very nice short teles.
I too think it is going to be the Samsung NX and at the latest it will be announced first week in Nov. with delivery in December. More likely it will be announced next week. Regardless it will be shipping for the holidays.
p.2 #5 · Electronic Viewfinders - The way of the future?
TeamSK jay wrote:
I'm really looking forward to a 1.5x EVF camera that will take M mount. A ZM 18 and ZM 50/1.5 would be a sweet combo.
Again my personal opinion: I dont mind crop cameras but I dont like chasing my tail with legacy lenses and crop factors. I'd much rather if they settled in one size sensor, I dont care if its 1.3x, 1.5x or 2x or whatever, and then zeiss, voigtlander and leica designed smaller lenses dedicated for that size sensor. Just like Olympus did with the pancake m4:3 lenses, but with proper focusing rings, infinity stop, distance and hyperfocal markings. Proper old school lenses, just smaller image circle and even smaller size to match the camera. Also, and this is very important, this way you can have larger apertures at every focal length. The ZM 18mm that you mentioned is nice when it is 18mm, but when it is "converted" to a 28 or 35 mm field of view, the f4 maximum aperture simply doesnt cut it, because in that 28-35 league it competes with f1.4-f2.8 lenses. Makes you wonder if its worth bothering with a system like that and in the end it makes you jump to a proper rangefinder or full frame DSLR to gain access to the optimum combinations of focal lengths and apertures.
p.2 #6 · Electronic Viewfinders - The way of the future?
For me, I'm a landscape guy and I seldom shoot wide angle at less than f/11. So for me f/4 is just fine. It's the zeiss look that I'm hooked on. I want a small, light weight cam with aps-c minimum image quality to take hiking.
p.2 #7 · Electronic Viewfinders - The way of the future?
EVF opens up lots of posibilities. It could render "face to camera" an option if you had a detachable or remote EVF. Camera could be in one location with the operator in a different one....making remote truly remote (a real plus for wildlife photographers for example).
p.2 #8 · Electronic Viewfinders - The way of the future?
TeamSK jay wrote:
For me, I'm a landscape guy and I seldom shoot wide angle at less than f/11. So for me f/4 is just fine. It's the zeiss look that I'm hooked on. I want a small, light weight cam with aps-c minimum image quality to take hiking.
Ahh gotcha. A Leica m8 might do the trick for you then? They're slowly coming down in price
p.2 #9 · Electronic Viewfinders - The way of the future?
I'm sure it will one day make it into high-end cameras. I'm curious how responsive it would be with manual focus. A virtual split screen? Interesting possibilities.
p.2 #11 · Electronic Viewfinders - The way of the future?
Please allow me to be the skeptic here, but I really don't see how an EVF will be as good or better than the OVF of say a Sony A900 or a Canon 1Ds3. Not in the near future, that's for sure, but it is going to happen eventually.
p.2 #12 · Electronic Viewfinders - The way of the future?
edwardkaraa wrote:
Please allow me to be the skeptic here, but I really don't see how an EVF will be as good or better than the OVF of say a Sony A900 or a Canon 1Ds3. Not in the near future, that's for sure, but it is going to happen eventually.
It is better already. In some areas. In other areas it is worse. I gather you haven't tried a G1?
For exact focusing nothing beats the enlarged live view right in the viewfinder.
The drawbacks are obvious; a ray of light will always be faster than the electronics, machine gunners don't like the blackened viewfinder during rapid shooting. I don't think all OVF will be replaced with electronic ones. I also know I wish my 5D had a viewfinder similar to the G1.... just with better contrast and colors and faster response in low light.
Oct 16, 2009 at 03:44 AM
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p.2 #13 · Electronic Viewfinders - The way of the future?
It's got to be sharp enough, and it's got to be fast enough, and that means practically zero delay. It's getting better, and the G1 is impressive, but there is still quite a long way to go before it really matches optical SLR. As long as the speed and resolution approximates optical, I'm all for it. A 24x36 sensor is probably more retina than an eye, so potentially an EVF could be a _better_ viewfinder than an optical SLR. Electronic tricks, like gain, and window-within-window already help to overcome the bandwidth limits of the eye.
p.2 #14 · Electronic Viewfinders - The way of the future?
We are discussing the future here, not what is available today or soon. In that context, if an EVF screen has such tight pixels and fast refresh rate to equal an OVF, it can only produce advantages the OVF cannot; the biggest plus for me would be the ability to brighten dark, low contrast situations where I need to focus a fast MF lens.
I think no one really considered EVFs a serious alternative until Pana produced the G1. This is technology in it's infancy and no doubt it can be developed very rapidly and to a great extend now that the market has shown interest. For example, just the introduction of a good quality EVF on the X00D Canons will make a big difference in their handling from the tiny and dark OVFs they now have.
p.2 #15 · Electronic Viewfinders - The way of the future?
edwardkaraa wrote:
Please allow me to be the skeptic here, but I really don't see how an EVF will be as good or better than the OVF of say a Sony A900 or a Canon 1Ds3. Not in the near future, that's for sure, but it is going to happen eventually.
Coming from an RD-1 with it's 1:1 VF and a 1Ds and 5D, I must say the OVF of the G1 really surprised me. Not on par with the "clarity"" of those, but for a first attempt, I can say that it was easier focusing my Canon FD 58 1.2 on the G1 than the Canon Serenar 50 1.2 on the RD-1 (short RF base aside, I am refering to the VF).
p.2 #19 · Electronic Viewfinders - The way of the future?
I'm sure EVFs will eventually be great, but for now I prefer optical VFs. That said, if an EVF is the only way I can get a tiny and affordable body with a nice sensor and eye-level shooting, then EVF it is.
EOS20 wrote:
Congrats on your 700th post Sam!
Wow... I just did a rough calc. that you post over 7 times a day.
Oct 16, 2009 at 12:36 PM
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p.2 #20 · Electronic Viewfinders - The way of the future?
foto-z wrote:
Didn't anyone notice it is only 800x600? Not even close to a replacement (yet)
One of the things that put me off the G1 is that the EVF is nowhere near sharp enough for critical work.
