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p.2 #1 · "Swirling" bokeh


The Zuiko 50/1.2 doesn't have very swirly bokeh. Swirly bokeh is one of the reasons I didn't keep my Rokkor 58/1.2.

cogitech wrote:
As deepbluejh noted, "Pretty much all of the super fast 50s will do this". I agree. Any f1.2 normal (50-ish) lens would have done the same thing if used to take this identical shot. In fact, a 50 would have even busier blur due to the focal length difference.

Your headache (which I seriously question) is due to my technique. I suppose I owe an apology?

Why blame it on the Rokkor?




Oct 09, 2009 at 05:32 PM
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p.2 #2 · "Swirling" bokeh


my 50L does not really do swirl at all, probably going to check a biotar or a cheaper helios.
Are helios lens even any good? I am looking at pics of the actual lenses and they look... "rural"



Oct 09, 2009 at 06:04 PM
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p.2 #3 · "Swirling" bokeh


Astragony wrote:
my 50L does not really do swirl at all, probably going to check a biotar or a cheaper helios.
Are helios lens even any good? I am looking at pics of the actual lenses and they look... "rural"


Well, as you very well know, you can certainly judge a lens by its appearance. Just like people and books.

EDIT: Add smilie to make it obvious I am just kidding around.

Edited on Oct 09, 2009 at 07:06 PM · View previous versions



Oct 09, 2009 at 06:35 PM
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p.2 #4 · "Swirling" bokeh


I don't know if this photo qualifies, but I guess the bokeh in the trees behind my wife appears to swirl a bit. Shot with my EF 50mm f1.8II @ f2 on a Rebel XTi.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/223/498521754_4edb87e3ff.jpg



Oct 09, 2009 at 06:44 PM
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p.2 #5 · "Swirling" bokeh


Yes, it does, and that lens is not known for "swirl". Which further proves the point that circumstances often dictate swirl more than the lens itself. Granted, some lenses (as discussed here) are much more likely to show it.


Oct 09, 2009 at 07:07 PM
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p.2 #6 · "Swirling" bokeh


Astragony wrote:
Are helios lens even any good? I am looking at pics of the actual lenses and they look... "rural"


Oh, I wouldn't consider Helios lenses to be "Good". They're adequately sharp, but only adequately. The price reflects this. I got mine for $10.



Oct 09, 2009 at 07:15 PM
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p.2 #7 · "Swirling" bokeh


DubiousDrewski wrote:
Oh, I wouldn't consider Helios lenses to be "Good". They're adequately sharp, but only adequately. The price reflects this. I got mine for $10.


I guess we all have our definition of "good". I'd say the Helios lenses are good. Are they great? Spectacular? Mind-boggling? No. Good? Yes. Maybe even "quite good". Sort of in the way that the EF 50/1.8 II is "quite good" for what it is.

Subjective, as usual, but "adequately sharp" is the same thing as "good" to me.

After all, if it isn't good, then what is it? Bad? Not bad? A dog? Shite?



Oct 09, 2009 at 07:50 PM
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p.2 #8 · "Swirling" bokeh


I am trying a helios, getting it in mint condition for 10 euros, too bad I pretty much dislike the 58mm FL.
I sure wish we had more 40mm"ish" fast awesome lens...



Oct 10, 2009 at 06:00 AM
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p.2 #9 · "Swirling" bokeh


Astragony; there are very few holy grails of lenses out there. Hopefully some of these samples have helped to point you in the right direction.

I prefer creamy to swirly but as said before: taste differs, which is great.



Oct 10, 2009 at 08:39 AM
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p.2 #10 · "Swirling" bokeh


this is the Takumar (Takulux) 1.4/50 swirl effect.
http://gallery.me.com/ralph.schoberth/100563/IMG_6755/web.jpg



Oct 10, 2009 at 09:23 AM
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p.2 #11 · "Swirling" bokeh


I love swirly bokeh. My go to swirly lenses are:
Nikkor 85/1.8-H

Nikkor 5.8cm f/1.4



Nikkor 5cm f/1.1

Nikkor 3.5cm f/1.8



Oct 10, 2009 at 09:59 AM
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p.2 #12 · "Swirling" bokeh


If shooting with a Leica mount rangefinder is an option, check out the Leica Summitar 50/2. Yeah, it's not a lens <50mm but just look at the swirls!

I have this lens, but I haven't developed my film yet. So, I'm posting some shots from Flickr.

Flickr username:Marc-A.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2158/1817362857_51cbd525e1_o.jpg



Flickr username:tetsuya miyoshi
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/190/463127282_a81b270c3a.jpg



Cool shots TWoK!
I particularly like the Nikkor 5.8cm f/1.4. I've been looking for one since the day I saw your samples on this forum.




Oct 10, 2009 at 10:16 AM
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p.2 #13 · "Swirling" bokeh


guissimo wrote:
Cool shots TWoK!
I particularly like the Nikkor 5.8cm f/1.4. I've been looking for one since the day I saw your samples on this forum.


Thanks, it is a very, very good lens. I actually have 3 copies, one never leaves my F, the other is AI'd and a third won't focus to infinity and is really beat up and AI'd. If you are interested in the 3rd copy I'll sell it very cheap...

Here's a shot from it, it's still sharp, but just won't focus to infinity at f/1.4:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2570/3817693522_45a4c452a7_b.jpg



Oct 10, 2009 at 10:29 AM
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p.2 #14 · "Swirling" bokeh


This is the swirl your looking for. This was taken with a Canon 55mm f/1.2 FL. That lens definitely "swirls"
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3384/3490983435_4a13cc7305_b.jpg



Oct 10, 2009 at 11:51 AM
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