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Archive 2009Canon EOS 7D Master thread
p.78 #1Canon EOS 7D Master thread
UCSB wrote:
I agree ... I just don't understand why Canon is offering the stupid kit lens they are in the US. Why not offer the 15-85mm at least (or the other international kits)?
Yeah, it's really hard to fathom.
Maybe so many people buy them to sell them off for a $70 profit that they think we like them
IDK, very weird....
A kit with the 15-85 would be awesome and make a heck of a lot more sense. Heck at least toss it in with the 18-55 IS....
I agree ... I just don't understand why Canon is offering the stupid kit lens they are in the US. Why not offer the 15-85mm at least (or the other international kits)?
Yeah, it's really hard to fathom.
Maybe so many people buy them to sell them off for a $70 profit that they think we like them
IDK, very weird....
A kit with the 15-85 would be awesome and make a heck of a lot more sense. Heck at least toss it in with the 18-55 IS....
Sep 26, 2009 at 12:04 AM
p.78 #2Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Tom_W wrote:
I realize that I'm a full-frame snob ( ) but I would say that the 5D2 is the only one that appear to be useable at ISO 6400 in that example, headroom.
As your text suggests, more study is needed on this issue. 6400 is a pretty extreme test.
Lookat this pics here I see a much more realistic comparsion6400 ISO 5DMkii and the 7D (not based on not optimized for 7D RAW converter )
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=33154880
I realize that I'm a full-frame snob (
) but I would say that the 5D2 is the only one that appear to be useable at ISO 6400 in that example, headroom. As your text suggests, more study is needed on this issue. 6400 is a pretty extreme test.
Lookat this pics here I see a much more realistic comparsion6400 ISO 5DMkii and the 7D (not based on not optimized for 7D RAW converter )
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=33154880
Sep 26, 2009 at 01:17 AM
p.78 #3Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Gil_W wrote:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=33154880While there are good reasons to compare the 5DmkII to the 7D, I personally think a comparison to the 50D or 40D may be more appropriate. The upgrade of the 1.6 cameras is what Canon was aiming for here. I am sure that my 40D will be bested by the 7D, at least I hope so 
I dont get it either ..why the comparison 5dmk2 and 7d? just because its a
xd body people want to compare it to the last xd body 5dmk2..apples and oranges I still feel the 7d should be compared to other Canon crop cameras or the compitition...
kewlcanon wrote
7D vs 5D2http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=33154880
I dont get it either ..why the comparison 5dmk2 and 7d? just because its a
xd body people want to compare it to the last xd body 5dmk2..apples and oranges I still feel the 7d should be compared to other Canon crop cameras or the compitition...
Sep 26, 2009 at 01:37 AM
p.78 #4Canon EOS 7D Master thread
btw FF is always going to exceed abilities of a crop by some percentage in ISO,noise,DOF,ect which should be a given by NOW...for Canon to try to get the best out of a crop sensor isnt a slight towards FF buyers...it seems some here think so which is silly when you hear" Canon purposely crippled the 5dmk2 A/F"
to put a better one in a newer camera and feel cheated they didnt put it in the one they want a FF. You know the next FF camera will have some of the benefits/features from the 7D, canon does this alot put features in the lower end cameras and migrates up...
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to put a better one in a newer camera and feel cheated they didnt put it in the one they want a FF. You know the next FF camera will have some of the benefits/features from the 7D, canon does this alot put features in the lower end cameras and migrates up...
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Sep 26, 2009 at 01:46 AM
p.78 #5Canon EOS 7D Master thread
digitalbug30d wrote:
I dont get it either ..why the comparison 5dmk2 and 7d? just because its a
xd body people want to compare it to the last xd body 5dmk2..apples and oranges I still feel the 7d should be compared to other Canon crop cameras or the compitition...
Because some people here believe that full frame is the best and others try to show that, at least with the 7D, the difference is not as much as some like to believe.
I dont get it either ..why the comparison 5dmk2 and 7d? just because its a
xd body people want to compare it to the last xd body 5dmk2..apples and oranges I still feel the 7d should be compared to other Canon crop cameras or the compitition...
Because some people here believe that full frame is the best and others try to show that, at least with the 7D, the difference is not as much as some like to believe.
Sep 26, 2009 at 01:46 AM
p.78 #6Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I am debating myself to get a 1dmk3 or a 7D..in the next upgrade MP count isnt the factor since 10.1 is more than enough but like the idea of possiblally the best crop camera yet...which I have a feeling the 7d may very well be.
Sep 26, 2009 at 01:53 AM
p.78 #7Canon EOS 7D Master thread
n0b0 wrote:
xd body people want to compare it to the last xd body 5dmk2..apples and oranges I still feel the 7d should be compared to other Canon crop cameras or the compitition...Because some people here believe that full frame is the best and others try to show that, at least with the 7D, the difference is not as much as some like to believe.
Yes Sir....
digitalbug30d wrote
I dont get it either ..why the comparison 5dmk2 and 7d? just because its axd body people want to compare it to the last xd body 5dmk2..apples and oranges I still feel the 7d should be compared to other Canon crop cameras or the compitition...
Yes Sir....
Sep 26, 2009 at 01:53 AM
p.78 #8Canon EOS 7D Master thread
headroom wrote:
Yes Sir....
I failed to see the point of your post, would you care to elaborate?
Yes Sir....
I failed to see the point of your post, would you care to elaborate?
Sep 26, 2009 at 02:17 AM
p.78 #9Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Because some people here believe that full frame is the best and others try to show that, at least with the 7D, the difference is not as much as some like to believe.
I agree with this
I agree with this
Sep 26, 2009 at 02:59 AM
p.78 #10Canon EOS 7D Master thread
headroom wrote:
Lookat this pics here I see a much more realistic comparsion6400 ISO 5DMkii and the 7D (not based on not optimized for 7D RAW converter )
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=33154880
I saw that - looks like some NR is effecting the noise level and detail on the 7D shot to a greater extent than on the 5D2. We need to see more examples, but I would say that at ISO 3200 and 6400, the 5D2 has nothing to fear.
I am interested in seeing how much latitude this camera has to pull up shadow details without noise.
Edited on Sep 26, 2009 at 05:05 AM · View previous versions
Lookat this pics here I see a much more realistic comparsion6400 ISO 5DMkii and the 7D (not based on not optimized for 7D RAW converter )
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=33154880
I saw that - looks like some NR is effecting the noise level and detail on the 7D shot to a greater extent than on the 5D2. We need to see more examples, but I would say that at ISO 3200 and 6400, the 5D2 has nothing to fear.
I am interested in seeing how much latitude this camera has to pull up shadow details without noise.
Edited on Sep 26, 2009 at 05:05 AM · View previous versions
Sep 26, 2009 at 05:00 AM
p.78 #11Canon EOS 7D Master thread
UCSB wrote:
I agree ... I just don't understand why Canon is offering the stupid kit lens they are in the US. Why not offer the 15-85mm at least (or the other international kits)?
According to Canon, the 15-85 will be available at the end of October. I suspect that once the lens is available, it will be offered in a kit with the 7D. I agree, the 28-135 is not what I'd consider the best choice for a kit lens on any APS-C camera.
I agree ... I just don't understand why Canon is offering the stupid kit lens they are in the US. Why not offer the 15-85mm at least (or the other international kits)?
According to Canon, the 15-85 will be available at the end of October. I suspect that once the lens is available, it will be offered in a kit with the 7D. I agree, the 28-135 is not what I'd consider the best choice for a kit lens on any APS-C camera.
Sep 26, 2009 at 05:04 AM
p.78 #12Canon EOS 7D Master thread
UCSB wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been posted, but it is a 12 minute video review of 7D:
Yikes – they’re pouring water on it! I hope that’s not the one I get!!
Wes N.
I'm not sure if this has been posted, but it is a 12 minute video review of 7D:
Yikes – they’re pouring water on it! I hope that’s not the one I get!!
Wes N.
Sep 26, 2009 at 06:06 AM
p.78 #13Canon EOS 7D Master thread
WesN wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been posted, but it is a 12 minute video review of 7D:Yikes – they’re pouring water on it! I hope that’s not the one I get!!
Wes N.
Despite Canon's assurance the camera is weather proof, there are still many skeptics out there.
This is perhaps the most definitive test. Attached to the body is a weather sealed L lens.
The only other time something similar happened was when the E3 was released.
Earlier quote
UCSB wrote:I'm not sure if this has been posted, but it is a 12 minute video review of 7D:
Wes N.
Despite Canon's assurance the camera is weather proof, there are still many skeptics out there.
This is perhaps the most definitive test. Attached to the body is a weather sealed L lens.
The only other time something similar happened was when the E3 was released.
Sep 26, 2009 at 06:14 AM
p.78 #14Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I've just had my first 7d body only shipped. the first wave of them are being delivered to dealers who have ordered them. its pre sold and highly anticipated by many.
Sep 26, 2009 at 06:28 AM
p.78 #15Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Berger Bros. is receiving and shipping my 7D on Tuesday, 9/29. Good people to deal with.
Sep 26, 2009 at 07:37 AM
p.78 #16Canon EOS 7D Master thread
atodzia wrote:
Berger Bros. is receiving and shipping my 7D on Tuesday, 9/29. Good people to deal with.
Good to hear. I have pre-order with them and expect to hear a little later from Lisa since I am in Pacific time zone. Great outfit to deal with.
Berger Bros. is receiving and shipping my 7D on Tuesday, 9/29. Good people to deal with.
Good to hear. I have pre-order with them and expect to hear a little later from Lisa since I am in Pacific time zone. Great outfit to deal with.
Sep 26, 2009 at 07:57 AM
p.78 #17Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I hope everyone who compares 7D vs 5D2 noise performance realises that, in order to use the same ISO setting on the larger formats, they will get either reduced DOF or longer exposure times for a given framing and perspective. For low light photography, it is a given that you don't want longer exposures, and if you don't want the DOF any shallower than what you get with the smaller format, there is no noise advantage from the larger format.
Sep 26, 2009 at 08:00 AM
p.78 #18Canon EOS 7D Master thread
alundeb:
...and if you don't want the DOF any shallower than what you get with the smaller format, there is no noise advantage from the larger format.
I am always confused when DOF is thrown into the comparison. I just want to know which camera has higher achievable S/N (in my case when using a 50 mm lens)
...and if you don't want the DOF any shallower than what you get with the smaller format, there is no noise advantage from the larger format.
I am always confused when DOF is thrown into the comparison. I just want to know which camera has higher achievable S/N (in my case when using a 50 mm lens)
Sep 26, 2009 at 08:13 AM
p.78 #19Canon EOS 7D Master thread
alundeb wrote:
... if you don't want the DOF any shallower than what you get with the smaller format, there is no noise advantage from the larger format.
On the other hand, if you want a DOF shallower than offered by the APS-C body with a fast lens, then there is no advantage to the smaller format.
... if you don't want the DOF any shallower than what you get with the smaller format, there is no noise advantage from the larger format.
On the other hand, if you want a DOF shallower than offered by the APS-C body with a fast lens, then there is no advantage to the smaller format.
Sep 26, 2009 at 08:15 AM
p.78 #20Canon EOS 7D Master thread
That's how it is, guys!
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Sep 26, 2009 at 08:19 AM