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p.31 #1Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Hi all
If the 7D " floats your boat" go for it.
For myself I'm not a fan of the small aps-c size sensor even if the latest advantages in technology have improved inherent noise always present when cramming more pixels into a smaller sensor. - I do use a small P&S - the G10- for
fun shots etc but that's a different activity entirely from using a full blown DSLR system.
I don't really care for all these "Movie modes" either -- If I want to shoot a movie (and I really have NO interest whatsoever in this type of activity) I'll buy a movie camera.
I don't need incredibly fast ISO's either -- I'm sure most shooters aren't regularly shooting at very high ISO's unless you are "boot legging" shots at a concert etc.
The 5D2 so far is just about perfect for a lot of my needs together with a 1D2 (which I might upgrade to a 1D4 when one appears) .
Too many products these days become over burdened with "Feature-itus" and bloat -- I'm just a simple SHOOTER who doesn't mind looking through a viewfinder and setting the control to Tv, Av, P or Manual.
Of course I like extra help when deciding on the correct exposure to use for complicated shots and improved sensors to give a better dynamic range - but its still the Shooter who compses the pic and not the camera.
Cheers
-K
If the 7D " floats your boat" go for it.
For myself I'm not a fan of the small aps-c size sensor even if the latest advantages in technology have improved inherent noise always present when cramming more pixels into a smaller sensor. - I do use a small P&S - the G10- for
fun shots etc but that's a different activity entirely from using a full blown DSLR system.
I don't really care for all these "Movie modes" either -- If I want to shoot a movie (and I really have NO interest whatsoever in this type of activity) I'll buy a movie camera.
I don't need incredibly fast ISO's either -- I'm sure most shooters aren't regularly shooting at very high ISO's unless you are "boot legging" shots at a concert etc.
The 5D2 so far is just about perfect for a lot of my needs together with a 1D2 (which I might upgrade to a 1D4 when one appears) .
Too many products these days become over burdened with "Feature-itus" and bloat -- I'm just a simple SHOOTER who doesn't mind looking through a viewfinder and setting the control to Tv, Av, P or Manual.
Of course I like extra help when deciding on the correct exposure to use for complicated shots and improved sensors to give a better dynamic range - but its still the Shooter who compses the pic and not the camera.
Cheers
-K
Sep 06, 2009 at 03:45 AM
p.31 #2Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Pixel Perfect wrote:
I don't shoot jpg, but this is of interest. A comparison of 7D jpg's to Pentax K-7 jpg's. Canon's approach of smearing detail for low noise continues unabated with jpg's. K-7 is very good on the detail front.
"Canon's approach"?
It hasn't hurt Nikon, who started that trick with the D300!
Besides, there's something about those comparisons (valid though they may well be) that doesn't quite add up.
According to some folk's interpretation of the IR samples, there's some blurring going on even at 100 ISO: but did you not see Canon's own Eagle Owl sample?
That's a 100 ISO shot (400mm f/2.8 used) and the level of fine feather detail revolved in that shot is excellent - as good as I've seen from any camera/lens combo, and way better than most.
And if the Standard Picture Style in the 7D (which was used for the owl) is the same as the one in the 40D, it isn't subject to that much in-camera sharpening.
I don't shoot jpg, but this is of interest. A comparison of 7D jpg's to Pentax K-7 jpg's. Canon's approach of smearing detail for low noise continues unabated with jpg's. K-7 is very good on the detail front.
"Canon's approach"?
It hasn't hurt Nikon, who started that trick with the D300!
Besides, there's something about those comparisons (valid though they may well be) that doesn't quite add up.
According to some folk's interpretation of the IR samples, there's some blurring going on even at 100 ISO: but did you not see Canon's own Eagle Owl sample?
That's a 100 ISO shot (400mm f/2.8 used) and the level of fine feather detail revolved in that shot is excellent - as good as I've seen from any camera/lens combo, and way better than most.
And if the Standard Picture Style in the 7D (which was used for the owl) is the same as the one in the 40D, it isn't subject to that much in-camera sharpening.
Sep 06, 2009 at 03:57 AM
p.31 #3Canon EOS 7D Master thread
mfurman wrote:
So, who is going to be a crazy, early adopter?
I will take my chances and get it (on the waiting list since the day of announcement)
No way... I am not going to burn myself again
This will most probably my travel/vacation cam for summer 2010...
So, who is going to be a crazy, early adopter?
I will take my chances and get it (on the waiting list since the day of announcement)
No way... I am not going to burn myself again
This will most probably my travel/vacation cam for summer 2010...
Sep 06, 2009 at 04:04 AM
p.31 #4Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Liquidstone wrote:
If Canon would allow me (they won't of course), I'm willing to buy the pre-prod camera I'm testing next week. Would that have made me a crazier, earlier adopter?
I look forward to your results and findings when you do test the pre-production copy. And it wouldn't matter if people called you a crazy early adopter - your results speak for themselves.
If Canon would allow me (they won't of course), I'm willing to buy the pre-prod camera I'm testing next week. Would that have made me a crazier, earlier adopter?
I look forward to your results and findings when you do test the pre-production copy. And it wouldn't matter if people called you a crazy early adopter - your results speak for themselves.
Sep 06, 2009 at 04:05 AM
p.31 #5Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Its cheaper to fly to the USA and buy one than buy one in the UK
My gf is in the USA at the minute and they are saying $1399 thats £840
SO some one throwing in a free grip is not great in the UK is it :-(
a flight can be had for £299 return + £840 £1139 total and post the empty box back to your self to avoid paying duty when coming back to the UK.
My gf is in the USA at the minute and they are saying $1399 thats £840
SO some one throwing in a free grip is not great in the UK is it :-(
a flight can be had for £299 return + £840 £1139 total and post the empty box back to your self to avoid paying duty when coming back to the UK.
Sep 06, 2009 at 05:01 AM
p.31 #6Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I just got rid of my 40D cos I could not justify having 3 cameras for casual photography. (5D +40D+G10)
I exchanged the 40D + G10 for a Canon 180 3.5 L Macro so I'm left with the FF 5D to take pictures with it.
Well then... I'm so much waiting for this camera to come down a bit in price to test it with the 180 mm that I just can say I have childish feelings every few hours
18 MP 1.6 macro pictures with the 180 mm must be a great thing if I can get it as far as ISO 200
I exchanged the 40D + G10 for a Canon 180 3.5 L Macro so I'm left with the FF 5D to take pictures with it.
Well then... I'm so much waiting for this camera to come down a bit in price to test it with the 180 mm that I just can say I have childish feelings every few hours
18 MP 1.6 macro pictures with the 180 mm must be a great thing if I can get it as far as ISO 200
Sep 06, 2009 at 05:07 AM
p.31 #7Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Kyle Yates wrote:
Hi all
If the 7D " floats your boat" go for it.
For myself I'm not a fan of the small aps-c size sensor even if the latest advantages in technology have improved inherent noise always present when cramming more pixels into a smaller sensor. - I do use a small P&S - the G10- for
fun shots etc but that's a different activity entirely from using a full blown DSLR system.
I don't really care for all these "Movie modes" either -- If I want to shoot a movie (and I really have NO interest whatsoever in this type of activity)...Show more →
Great for you! We know the 5D and 5Dmkii are great cameras, the 7D had to fill a hole in Canon's lineup that a lot of people were waiting for. That's why there are other cameras, for other buyers, who want other things than what you want.
Hi all
If the 7D " floats your boat" go for it.
For myself I'm not a fan of the small aps-c size sensor even if the latest advantages in technology have improved inherent noise always present when cramming more pixels into a smaller sensor. - I do use a small P&S - the G10- for
fun shots etc but that's a different activity entirely from using a full blown DSLR system.
I don't really care for all these "Movie modes" either -- If I want to shoot a movie (and I really have NO interest whatsoever in this type of activity)...Show more →
Great for you! We know the 5D and 5Dmkii are great cameras, the 7D had to fill a hole in Canon's lineup that a lot of people were waiting for. That's why there are other cameras, for other buyers, who want other things than what you want.
Sep 06, 2009 at 05:24 AM
p.31 #8Canon EOS 7D Master thread
More on the detail/resolution question vf. the Pentax here.
The differences in detail for images developed from raw are virtually nil when one allows for different areas of the still life image being in focus. The Canon 7D probably has a tiny little bit more resolution overall, but an increase of about 10% linear resolution isn't all that remarkable anyway.
And with regard to DR:
The Canon 7D has improved low ISO Dynamic Range (DR) as compared to any previous Canon model, and now offers almost 12 stops of DR at full resolution at ISO 100 as compared to about 10 stops at a lesser full resolution for the K-7, for those who actually know how to use this, although the chroma noise could be a problem limiting its use.
The author of these comments seems well respected on the Pentax forum.
The differences in detail for images developed from raw are virtually nil when one allows for different areas of the still life image being in focus. The Canon 7D probably has a tiny little bit more resolution overall, but an increase of about 10% linear resolution isn't all that remarkable anyway.
And with regard to DR:
The Canon 7D has improved low ISO Dynamic Range (DR) as compared to any previous Canon model, and now offers almost 12 stops of DR at full resolution at ISO 100 as compared to about 10 stops at a lesser full resolution for the K-7, for those who actually know how to use this, although the chroma noise could be a problem limiting its use.
The author of these comments seems well respected on the Pentax forum.
Sep 06, 2009 at 05:26 AM
p.31 #9Canon EOS 7D Master thread
keithreeder wrote:
The author of these comments seems well respected on the Pentax forum.
His results with respect to dynamic range and chroma noise contradict Gabor's analysis and the images posted by Imaging Resource. I won't trust this Pentaxian's home-made RAW conversion program.
The author of these comments seems well respected on the Pentax forum.
His results with respect to dynamic range and chroma noise contradict Gabor's analysis and the images posted by Imaging Resource. I won't trust this Pentaxian's home-made RAW conversion program.
Sep 06, 2009 at 05:45 AM
p.31 #10Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I thought ISO 160 was optimal ISO for 7D. Is this not where DR is also largest?
Sep 06, 2009 at 06:16 AM
p.31 #11Canon EOS 7D Master thread
mrd08 wrote:
Its cheaper to fly to the USA and buy one than buy one in the UK
My gf is in the USA at the minute and they are saying $1399 thats £840
SO some one throwing in a free grip is not great in the UK is it :-(
a flight can be had for £299 return + £840 £1139 total and post the empty box back to your self to avoid paying duty when coming back to the UK.
Yeah we've already worked the same thing out. It's considerably cheaper to fly over to the US and buy one. If you're flying over anyway then all the better.
Its cheaper to fly to the USA and buy one than buy one in the UK
My gf is in the USA at the minute and they are saying $1399 thats £840
SO some one throwing in a free grip is not great in the UK is it :-(
a flight can be had for £299 return + £840 £1139 total and post the empty box back to your self to avoid paying duty when coming back to the UK.
Yeah we've already worked the same thing out. It's considerably cheaper to fly over to the US and buy one. If you're flying over anyway then all the better.
Sep 06, 2009 at 07:39 AM
p.31 #12Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Just hope Customs don't catch you and that there are no warranty issues...
I must admit, it's the latter which makes purchase from abroad less appealing to me.
I must admit, it's the latter which makes purchase from abroad less appealing to me.
Sep 06, 2009 at 07:46 AM
p.31 #13Canon EOS 7D Master thread
You guys could just send me the money, I promise I'll send you the cameras right away
Sep 06, 2009 at 10:19 AM
p.31 #14Canon EOS 7D Master thread
keithreeder wrote:
Just hope Customs don't catch you and that there are no warranty issues...
I must admit, it's the latter which makes purchase from abroad less appealing to me.
Well, depending on what the issue is, it'd probably still work out cheaper even if you had to pay for the repairs yourself.
As for customs... yeah it's a concern but if you get rid of the box, receipts and just stick it in your camera bag I can't see it being a problem. Of course that doesn't make it right but there we go...
Just hope Customs don't catch you and that there are no warranty issues...
I must admit, it's the latter which makes purchase from abroad less appealing to me.
Well, depending on what the issue is, it'd probably still work out cheaper even if you had to pay for the repairs yourself.
As for customs... yeah it's a concern but if you get rid of the box, receipts and just stick it in your camera bag I can't see it being a problem. Of course that doesn't make it right but there we go...
Sep 06, 2009 at 10:30 AM
p.31 #15Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Arun Gupta wrote:
Canon 7D - compete with Petkal?
from
http://maccreate.com/featured/hands-on-with-the-canon-7d
The DoF on some of the Flickr pool images reminds me of my P&S. Take a look at the one of the bubble. It's shot at f/2.8, appears to be fairly close to the camera, and there's a lot of detail of the people sitting in the background. Granted, it could have been shot at 70mm which would have put more distance between the lens and the bubble, but the APS-C sensor size is really obvious. For those referring to lenses like the 85mm f/1.2L and the lens' shallow DoF characteristics, they'd be a waste on this body.
I'm actually hoping this to be more of an affordable alternate to the 1D series sports body. Here, the APS-C sensor would be of benefit for the greater DoF when shooting sports, especially people sports where nailing the focus at a specific point in time is so critical. I was holding out for the successor to the 1D3, but may consider this instead. Not that I wouldn't rather have a 1D4, it's my budget that's tight. So a prosumer version of the 1D4 for $1700 might be a great comprise for me.
I've got my fingers crossed that the new focusing system in this camera is as good as it sounds (dual Digic IVs plus a dedicated focusing processor), along with the focus point selection options and all 19 cross type focus points, just maybe...
And sure, there will be an endless number of complaints about the 7D, but so what else is new. I'm just puzzled how critical folks get, in this case, of a $1700 camera. They need a reality check. If this, or any other camera, was so perfect that there were zero complaints by anyone, it would probably cost as much as a house! And then everyone would complain about it's price!! lol
Well mine's on order, and I'm hoping to have it by the end of the month when there's a pro volleyball event here in Phoenix. If it does good there, I'll be a happy camper!
Canon 7D - compete with Petkal?
Earlier quote
The focus tracking was especially powerful. While standing in Times Square we were able to track onto quickly-diving pigeons instantly and have the system lock focus as the subject moved across the frame without any panning needed.http://maccreate.com/featured/hands-on-with-the-canon-7d
The DoF on some of the Flickr pool images reminds me of my P&S. Take a look at the one of the bubble. It's shot at f/2.8, appears to be fairly close to the camera, and there's a lot of detail of the people sitting in the background. Granted, it could have been shot at 70mm which would have put more distance between the lens and the bubble, but the APS-C sensor size is really obvious. For those referring to lenses like the 85mm f/1.2L and the lens' shallow DoF characteristics, they'd be a waste on this body.
I'm actually hoping this to be more of an affordable alternate to the 1D series sports body. Here, the APS-C sensor would be of benefit for the greater DoF when shooting sports, especially people sports where nailing the focus at a specific point in time is so critical. I was holding out for the successor to the 1D3, but may consider this instead. Not that I wouldn't rather have a 1D4, it's my budget that's tight. So a prosumer version of the 1D4 for $1700 might be a great comprise for me.
I've got my fingers crossed that the new focusing system in this camera is as good as it sounds (dual Digic IVs plus a dedicated focusing processor), along with the focus point selection options and all 19 cross type focus points, just maybe...
And sure, there will be an endless number of complaints about the 7D, but so what else is new. I'm just puzzled how critical folks get, in this case, of a $1700 camera. They need a reality check. If this, or any other camera, was so perfect that there were zero complaints by anyone, it would probably cost as much as a house! And then everyone would complain about it's price!! lol
Well mine's on order, and I'm hoping to have it by the end of the month when there's a pro volleyball event here in Phoenix. If it does good there, I'll be a happy camper!
Sep 06, 2009 at 10:32 AM
p.31 #16Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Apologies if this link has already been posted, but here's a movie of the 7D at 8 frames per second!:
Sep 06, 2009 at 10:56 AM
p.31 #18Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Kyle Yates wrote:
Hi all
If the 7D " floats your boat" go for it.
For myself I'm not a fan of the small aps-c size sensor even if the latest advantages in technology have improved inherent noise always present when cramming more pixels into a smaller sensor. - I do use a small P&S - the G10- for
fun shots etc but that's a different activity entirely from using a full blown DSLR system.
Hey there, not trying to start a FF/APSC debate here. Honestly. But could you explain what you perceive the downfalls (except the obvious FOV and/or ergonomics difference) of using an APS-C sensor/body if the noise levels, detail, color, etc (basically a high IQ output) to be?
The 5D rocked with it's full frame sensor, noise performance, and IQ. I have not kept up with the 5dII stuff, but it seems like it's got good noise levels but some banding problems. So if Canon kicks out the 18mp sensor with great noise characteristics and a generally high IQ while topping the X0D series in features, what's not to love?
Hi all
If the 7D " floats your boat" go for it.
For myself I'm not a fan of the small aps-c size sensor even if the latest advantages in technology have improved inherent noise always present when cramming more pixels into a smaller sensor. - I do use a small P&S - the G10- for
fun shots etc but that's a different activity entirely from using a full blown DSLR system.
Hey there, not trying to start a FF/APSC debate here. Honestly. But could you explain what you perceive the downfalls (except the obvious FOV and/or ergonomics difference) of using an APS-C sensor/body if the noise levels, detail, color, etc (basically a high IQ output) to be?
The 5D rocked with it's full frame sensor, noise performance, and IQ. I have not kept up with the 5dII stuff, but it seems like it's got good noise levels but some banding problems. So if Canon kicks out the 18mp sensor with great noise characteristics and a generally high IQ while topping the X0D series in features, what's not to love?
Sep 06, 2009 at 11:27 AM
p.31 #19Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Mike Farren wrote:
Well, depending on what the issue is, it'd probably still work out cheaper even if you had to pay for the repairs yourself.
True enough Mike - I admit I'm thinking of the possibility of something major.
Well, depending on what the issue is, it'd probably still work out cheaper even if you had to pay for the repairs yourself.
True enough Mike - I admit I'm thinking of the possibility of something major.
Sep 06, 2009 at 12:10 PM
p.31 #20Canon EOS 7D Master thread
ohyeah wrote:
The DoF on some of the Flickr pool images reminds me of my P&S.
I've got to say that every one of the images in that pool was godawful - I don't know if you looked at the full sized ones, but there wasn't a single sharp thing in any of 'em.
Even at the reduced sizes they were grim.
But that doesn't prove anything about the camera - I've seen far better examples, and there'll be more to come, no doubt: I'm still looking to get a 7D myself.
The DoF on some of the Flickr pool images reminds me of my P&S.
I've got to say that every one of the images in that pool was godawful - I don't know if you looked at the full sized ones, but there wasn't a single sharp thing in any of 'em.
Even at the reduced sizes they were grim.
But that doesn't prove anything about the camera - I've seen far better examples, and there'll be more to come, no doubt: I'm still looking to get a 7D myself.
Sep 06, 2009 at 12:13 PM