Jim Victory wrote:
Those who don't know what their talking about and have never used the camera.
Jim
I have to disagree with this. I have seen many posts from experienced photographers who are not impressed with the IQ from the 7D.
I had one for a week & shot every day. When it was said & done I returned it because I was not happy with the files it produced. I love the features of this camera but for me the IQ is not there. Give me good files at ISO
400 & lower & I am a happy camper.
I am of the crowd that believes more MP’s can be better.
For those who are unimpressed with the 7d's IQ do you have any images to share that illustrate your dissatisfaction? I would be interesed to see what your unhappy about.
michael49 wrote:
For those who are unimpressed with the 7d's IQ do you have any images to share that illustrate your dissatisfaction? I would be interesed to see what your unhappy about.
No, they have graphs and charts about microns, and pixel pitch. They aren't in the field using it, they are on the computer complaining about it.
I just got a 7D, and I think it's a dandy little camera. I am out shooting photos with it, rather than talking about pixel pitch and complaining about it.
droopy1592 wrote:
That's why I think he has to talk himself into thinking he made the right decision. You have six types of posters
1) Those that already have DSLRs better than the 7D
2) Those that wish they had a 7D
3) Those that can't afford to upgrade
4) Those that chose to wait
5) Those that have to prove to others that it's not worth for themselves to upgrade, claiming that it's not enough of an upgrade.
6) Standard trolls/Nikon users
Are you serious? What about the folks who have the 7D? Given it's features, what's a better dSLR? The folks who are using a 1dsmk3 are using it for a different reason than the folks shooting a 7D.
I see of only 3 Canon dSLR's that are "better". 5D2, 1dmk3, 1dsmk3, and truthfully depending on who you speak with, it's up in the air whether or not the 1dmk3 is better.
So I finally got my VERY OWN copy and ALL of my lenses need a universal MA of -5. They are all set to 0 on my 50D. Should I send it back to Cameta, Canon, or live with it?
That's up to you, but if youd on't need it right this minute and the return process won't be too bad for you, I'd send that to cameta, and get a new one.
michael49 wrote:
For those who are unimpressed with the 7d's IQ do you have any images to share that illustrate your dissatisfaction? I would be interesed to see what your unhappy about.
All you need to do is go to 7D photo thread & look- the color , blown highlights
+ dark shadows of those photos - many of them shot by canon defenders who hammer anyone who is not happy with the 7D-
I have about 1500 shots but at this time I don't feel the need for a class from some who probably know less than I- lol
It is a good camera in soft light but sucks when it gets a little bright-
Stumped wrote:
All you need to do is go to 7D photo thread & look- the color , blown highlights
+ dark shadows of those photos - many of them shot by canon defenders who hammer anyone who is not happy with the 7D-
I have about 1500 shots but at this time I don't feel the need for a class from some who probably know less than I- lol
It is a good camera in soft light but sucks when it gets a little bright-
What are you talking about?
If the light gets bright, drop the ISO, stop the lens down, use a shutter speed sufficient for the situation.
You say that you don't feel the need for a class from some who probably know less than you, but apparently if hard vs soft light is kicking you around, you could use one of those classes. No offense is meant, but bright light shouldn't beat you down. I enjoy this camera, and I don't think that I'd let someone else who has blown highlights in their image make me think it's bad.
I blow highlights on my 5D, does that mean a 5D is a piece of crap? Maybe Canon has another crop camera with comparable AF and ISO performance? Nope, they don't.
Robert no offence taken but I shot the 7D & 50D side by side
several days & the 7D did not cut it for me.
Nothing personal but in another thread you reported problems with your
7D in the light you had to work with- I see in your sports shots some of the problems I found- dark shadows & blown highlights – poor color- look at the skin tone in your shots- white shoes appear blown & some skin my show blinks?
This deal sucks because I really love the features –
RobertLynn wrote:
Are you serious? What about the folks who have the 7D? Given it's features, what's a better dSLR? The folks who are using a 1dsmk3 are using it for a different reason than the folks shooting a 7D.
I see of only 3 Canon dSLR's that are "better". 5D2, 1dmk3, 1dsmk3, and truthfully depending on who you speak with, it's up in the air whether or not the 1dmk3 is better.
from what i hear the 1D3 is definitely better unless you need max reach
droopy1592 wrote:
So I finally got my VERY OWN copy and ALL of my lenses need a universal MA of -5. They are all set to 0 on my 50D. Should I send it back to Cameta, Canon, or live with it?
why send it back? if it works at -5 it works, that was the whole point of MFA, to not have to bother sending it in or returning it and who says the next won't need +2 and the next -7 and the next -3, etc. you may do a lot of returns for all you know.
so long as the MFA has fine enough tuning and it doesnt clearly fall between say -4 and -5 or something
(i'm kind of shocked that all lenses need the exact same amount of MA, i'e used tons and they have been all over the place)
Stumped wrote:
Robert no offence taken but I shot the 7D & 50D side by side
several days & the 7D did not cut it for me.
Nothing personal but in another thread you reported problems with your
7D in the light you had to work with- I see in your sports shots some of the problems I found- dark shadows & blown highlights – poor color- look at the skin tone in your shots- white shoes appear blown & some skin my show blinks?
This deal sucks because I really love the features –
Blown highlights in OOF speed blurred sneakers?
Poor skin tones in fluorescent lighting that cycles? As I understand it, these pics weren't processed all that much from Raw.
skibum5 wrote:
why send it back? if it works at -5 it works, that was the whole point of MFA, to not have to bother sending it in or returning it and who says the next won't need +2 and the next -7 and the next -3, etc. you may do a lot of returns for all you know.
so long as the MFA has fine enough tuning and it doesnt clearly fall between say -4 and -5 or something
(i'm kind of shocked that all lenses need the exact same amount of MA, i'e used tons and they have been all over the place) ...Show more →
I had some issues years ago with my XSi so I sent ALL of my lenses in (50 f/1.4, 85 f/1.2 II, 70-200 f4L IS 17-55 IS) and they came back all perfect but the XSi still had focusing issues -dead on sometimes and wayyy off on others-, so I bought the 50D. 50D is has been dead on with focusing but I hate having to spend the time processing each shot individually (plus it creates a giant tiff file) for high ISO banding (anything ISO 800 or greater with shadows) so when I heard the 7D had even better focusing and NO BANDING I decided to go for it. The 50D was dead on with all of my lenses just like the XSi, but now my 7D is -5 off. I think Canon's error margin is -/+ 3 but why I am at -5 I don't know.
Besides, even canon admits that microadjustments may need to be changed at different focal lengths and even distances. So MA isn't quite as good as having a 7D working right from the factory. I'd hate to have to send it all in on a brand new camera.
I think new 7D owners should read their manuals at least 2x (rephrase that)any eos user from a D30- 40D should read their 7D manuals twice before posting crap about how theirs doesnt work right...this does a disservice to some that may want to get a 7D ect and come here for advice not some regurgitated pablum from Trolls,troll webpages,troll blogs,troll wannabee photogs
some have asked for me to test their 7D to see if it has a good sensor or where to look for tests
to the latter i don't feel like typing it all out again or finding all the posts but it if you search enough all over here and DPR and some other sites you can figure it all out, not very helpful i know sorry
but without any other samples to compare to you'll have no reference anyway, although certain results have been posted here and there online to compare with....
and more importantly, i wouldn't really bother, no point in going crazy over 1/8th or even 1/4 stop DR or SNR, now tht it has been determined they need split green processing and that ACR 5.6 seems to handle all the copies whether they seem to vary more or less than others pretty much the same as far as I can see, not sure it is worth the bother, only perhaps if you get a lot of vertical banding, easily, in the center part of the image or something
AF is probably more critical, but again hard to compare without a reference, and msot probably perform the same, the three samples I tried seem to do the same in one shot mode though in terms of precision (although i'm starting to think they should have made micro adjust twice as refined, since one lens+TC combo on one body seems to fall exactly between needing -3 and -4 which means that it tends to either backfocus or front focus a trace on average, sometime snoticeable with the low fstop and long focal length)
aside from the exact half way between placement of the adjustment they all really seemed to perform absolutely indentically in terms of AF, granted three bodies is a small sample
droopy1592 wrote:
I had some issues years ago with my XSi so I sent ALL of my lenses in (50 f/1.4, 85 f/1.2 II, 70-200 f4L IS 17-55 IS) and they came back all perfect but the XSi still had focusing issues -dead on sometimes and wayyy off on others-, so I bought the 50D. 50D is has been dead on with focusing but I hate having to spend the time processing each shot individually (plus it creates a giant tiff file) for high ISO banding (anything ISO 800 or greater with shadows) so when I heard the 7D had even better focusing and NO BANDING I decided to go for it. The 50D was dead on with all of my lenses just like the XSi, but now my 7D is -5 off. I think Canon's error margin is -/+ 3 but why I am at -5 I don't know.
Besides, even canon admits that microadjustments may need to be changed at different focal lengths and even distances. So MA isn't quite as good as having a 7D working right from the factory. I'd hate to have to send it all in on a brand new camera. ...Show more →
the body has nothing to do with at different focal lengths and distances, that refers to lens micro adjustment
if the body is -5 off it is -5 off and that should be that
You got a point, didn't eliminate it that way. So I'm guessing if you were in my shoes you wouldn't send it back at all? Hmmm, I might wait until I move I'm going to be in anesthesia school @ Duke in 3 weeks if I can't stand it at all.
Aw man I was gonna send you a couple bucks for checking my sensor Skibum but I'll have time to do it tomorrow myself.
IS anyone else making -MA adjustments right out of the box?
heres a lil something..when one does a test shot
1.prefer outdoors sunny 16
2.use f8 on that 85mm 1.2L (use center A/F)
3.use 100-200 ISO outdoors no need to go higher (sunny 16 remember)
4.take a picture of something interesting(not a beercan,brickwall ect)
5.when posting post the RAW without PP
6 then Post the same shot with regular PP (sharpen/exposure/contrast)
7 100 percent crop if you must... one from #6 NOT #5
8
