brainiac wrote:
because let's face it, all AF systems are absolute crap. They can't even focus near the corners, and choosing a focus point is slow, and focus recompose kills the art of spontaneous photography. AF is OK if you are the kind of photographer who always puts his subject in the middle of the picture.
Next you will be telling us that you can MF faster and more accurately on BIF's or fast action sports than the AF of a 1D-series. Or maybe your spontaneous photography consists of static subjects.
I would bet that any DSLR's AF would be better than your MF on fast-moving subjects.
Tom_W wrote:
While I'm not putting a lot of faith in the rumor, it would be nice to have 24P and 1280 X 720 available as options. It would also be nice if they could, by firmware, reduce the low-ISO read noise that some are noticing (albeit through rather stringent testing).
I'm not expecting anything, but if they're going to do the video thing, I hope that they do it before September 12 when I will be shooting a great deal of video.
as someone said the power switch is off in teh rumor pic, as well, the options don't look at all like as presented by the 7D firmware....
that said, teh dc page did have a canon bigwig leaving the door open.
I would not pay more then 2000$ US for cropper 7D...now if the price is 1699$, will buy 7D + new 100mmL(after some nice reviews)..instead buying 5D MarkII. ( I have 50D)
I think that a lot people would choose 5D Mark II if price of 7D would almost the same.
Thank you
Regards,
Andy
brainiac wrote:
But this is the crux of it: Canon refuses to make the camera that we all really want, by throwing everything they've got at it, whereas Nikon decided to stop haemorrhaging users by actually making the best bodies they could. People like cogitech and I don't like big heavy bodies and we do think that accurate manual focus with f2 lenses is crucial, because let's face it, all AF systems are absolute crap. They can't even focus near the corners, and choosing a focus point is slow, and focus recompose kills the art of spontaneous photography. AF is OK if you are the kind of photographer who always puts his subject in the middle of the picture. Please don't show me your holiday snaps. Canon could have given the 5D2 a good AF system, and a faster frame rate for sraw, and better sealing, and built-in flash and kept the body small and light. It would have been Canon's version of the fabled D700x - call it what you will. A huge number of people want that camera and don't give a crap about electronic levelling aids. Canon always has to put a fly in the ointment, and unfortunately the 7D is no exception. My next EOS will probably be a 3D, as long as it has a Canon E*-S screen option....Show more →
strictly speaking more accurate than the very few 'pixel' level drawun using AF points they could just put # of degrees off from 0 on the bottom where they list iso speed and all the rest and keep a regular focusing screen....
GeneO wrote:
Lift some weights. It is less aggravating
Seriously though you are vilifying Canon for not providing the features you want in a lighter weight body though I, and I think many others, like the balance of th 1D series over the xxD or 5D.
Gene
and you have your massive boat anchors.... we don't have the light bodies.
face it a 1 series is a PITA if you are say running around all day on vacation, kinda bulky
and as for lift weights the problem is if i get in better shape then i simply take longer hikes/do more in a day and the heavier body still feels like a drag....
timbop wrote:
Yes, the competition for the 7d is the d300s, and from what we know so far the 7d exceeds the nikon in far more areas than it doesn't. Once both cameras are in people's hands we will start to see if the key factor - IQ - belongs to the 7d
don't even the 40D/50D already match or beat the D300 sensor? Now maybe the 300S do some tweaks though, but if not all but impossibel for teh 7D to not have the better IQ.
Anyway I think the real issue is whether a nice tele can get more detail from it than from a 50D and whether the AF and fps are that much better than in the 50D
skibum5 wrote:
and you have your massive boat anchors.... we don't have the light bodies.
face it a 1 series is a PITA if you are say running around all day on vacation, kinda bulky
and as for lift weights the problem is if i get in better shape then i simply take longer hikes/do more in a day and the heavier body still feels like a drag....
bluetsunami wrote:
Have any of the previewers commented on the focus screen (or what they've discerned from using it). Would be a pleasant surprise if it was appropriate for Manual Focusing (I'm wishing upon a star). I've stated it before but its weird that they would go through all this effort with putting in a Pentaprism with 100% coverage and put in a normal focus screen. May as well just put in 100% coverage without the magnification since the AF would need to be relied on anyways.
my thoughts too kinda of weird to go teh expense to improve it so much only to kill off MF
anyway whatever
so long as they never do taht with the 5/3 series or 7 if it ever goes beyond 1.6 crop.
speaking of which maybe the 7D2 turns into the 3D and the 5D3 turns into the cheap.slow megapixel monster?
Seriously they can't up the MP much more on the 7D, it already does 8fps, they mightnot give us too much more with AF, even if they do only about 1 more step they can take, so unless it gets reallly small 20D->30D type increases it seems kinda stuck no? So maybe they go to APS-H and then FF or maybe straight to FF with the next one? 5D2 sensor at 8fps??
gene A. wrote:
I would have happily paid $2500 for this body if it were full frame, but I have no interest in this camera with a cropped sensor. The sad fact is it will probably be 2 years before we see these features in a new version of the 5D.
i should hope you;d have paid $2500, that would be less than the 5D2 for a lot more features
gene A. wrote:
I would have happily paid $2500 for this body if it were full frame, but I have no interest in this camera with a cropped sensor. The sad fact is it will probably be 2 years before we see these features in a new version of the 5D.
And why exactly would anyone buy a 5DII (which is less than a year old) if Canon went and made this FF?
timbop wrote:
I'm sorry for such harsh posts, my annoyance threshold just isn't what it used to be. It's just astonishing that the (I believe) vocal minority keep beating this horse to death (there's another thread on the screen topic), just for the sake of complaining. We all clamored for a non-1 series camera with better than the 9 point diamond AF, and what Canon delivered (admittedly on paper) is pretty amazing if it lives up to billing (RG notwithstanding). When you need a smaller AF point for small birds in trees, it's there. When you need a larger high precision AF point for really lowlight AF, it's there - all over the frame. Need expansion for tracking moving targets - you got it.
This camera was designed for high speed, high quality AF. I hope it lives up to it's potential, because if it does this is a landmark camera for Canon. The fact that it is an APS-C doesn't bother me, because I always intend to own more than 1 body. I also realize that there is now a very good chance that a FF camera with the same features might actually appear within the next year. I am also realistic enough to realize that if it does, it will NOT have a faster than 5fps frame rate.
I was right at the edge of putting all my canon gear up for sale and switching to nikon when the d700 came out, mainly because it didn't appear canon was very interested in keeping my business. The 5d2 has great image quality, but seemed very outclassed in every other respect. That appears to be changing now. From my perspective, the only thing that the d300s has that I would want is more tightly spaced AF points - but we'll see how tracking works in the 7d. I expect that the next FF camera from Canon will keep many of the 7d's enhancements...Show more →
yeah, i mean IF the AF delivers it should be quite a camera
i suspect the 7D may even have to evolve into FF for the mark ii
bluetsunami wrote:
Have any of the previewers commented on the focus screen (or what they've discerned from using it). Would be a pleasant surprise if it was appropriate for Manual Focusing (I'm wishing upon a star). I've stated it before but its weird that they would go through all this effort with putting in a Pentaprism with 100% coverage and put in a normal focus screen. May as well just put in 100% coverage without the magnification since the AF would need to be relied on anyways.
Not sure about the xxD and 5 series cameras but the evolution of the 1D series stock screen from the Ec-CIII to the Ec-CIV was a substantial change for the better. With the Mark II series (Ec-CIII) I absolutely had to use the Ec-S screen if I hoped to have any chance of manually focusing fast primes like the 85L accurately. Once the Mark III was out I found that the Ec-CIV screen was much, much better and very close to the Ec-S.
Hopefully whatever Canon did with the Ec-CIV also trickled down to the 7D's screen. My concern though is the LCD overlay and whether it might affect critical manual focusing ability, particularly if it makes its way up into the 1D series.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
yeah, MF is the way of the future. I'm buying an S2 - just have to work out which bank to knock over first.
what the deal with M/F anyway?
timbop wrote:
Yeah, it's a real pisser that NO ONE makes a digital rangefinder you like, so Canon owes it to you to make one. I wish that there was leic a m8ker of digital rangefinders with nice MFing lenses....
3D:
FF,
More Dynamic range than the 5D,
Less high iso noise than the 5D,
Less long exposure noise than the 5D,
Full weather sealing like 1D3, 1D4,
Between 12-18Mp
Better AF than 5D, 5D2, 7D, 50D,
Video controls and options like 7D, 1D4,
More fps than the 5D,
I will be more than happy if these features show up.
it's all about time. canon will produce (*will have to* cos of competition) a FF with 7d features (and more) in due course.
nikon will not stand by idly. so competition is good.
matsuib wrote:
I would imagine that the modern internal electronics of a dslr could be more sensitive to some seepage than a film body (even a pro one), such that the equivalent sealing from a physical standpoint doesn't really lead to the equivalent water resistance from an in the field standpoint.
Perhaps, but have you ever seen the electronics in a late modern film camera such as the EOS 3 or 1V? On casual glance one would think it's a digital camera with all the friggen printed boards, ribbon cables, CPUs, etc. Plus the IR film sensors and motor drive electronics. It's really extensive and dense in there. I think a few drops of water inside wouldn't do much less damage than a wholly digital SLR.
Next you will be telling us that you can MF faster and more accurately on BIF's or fast action sports than the AF of a 1D-series. Or maybe your spontaneous photography consists of static subjects. 
