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p.137 #1 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


I wish Adobe would hurry up and release a version of Lightroom with full support for the 7D, the colors in LR 2.5 are making me sick.


Oct 17, 2009 at 07:16 AM
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p.137 #2 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


The colors in ACR have always been dreadful IMO. Use the DNG profile editor.


Oct 17, 2009 at 07:53 AM
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p.137 #3 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


digitalbug30d wrote:
well I am giving Canon some slack knowing some issues arise with higher pixel counts,I am willing to bet having dual digic 4s will take care of most of the issues
in these arguments I havent seen any talk about the processors.With 2 of them
should in theory out do a single chip camera ie the 50D,so this is why I think the
7d would be better than any single processor designed body and most likely the A/F
speed should be better,ISOs,noise ect



I would assume the number of processors does nothing to improve noise performance. Noise reduction speed would probably be improved.

Also I don't think multiple processors can improve a sensors ISO performance.

I'm ignorant on AF speed. Faster processing is probably a good thing, but do the Digics have anything to do with AF, or is there a separate processo dedicated to that?

You mention there should be improvements over the 50D. Yes. The big one is 8 FPS with an 18 MP sensor. That's a lot of data to move that is only possible with dual processors.

Does anyone have electrical schematics of thr 7D? I'd like to see those



Oct 17, 2009 at 08:13 AM
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p.137 #4 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


Can someone tell me what these white and red specs are? ISO 3200 and the second is a 100% crop of underneath the SUV. I put the lens cap on and took a shot at F22. I have no dead or hot pixels. I remember reading about it but trying to find it is not easy. This is my replacement 7D and everything else is OK but I noticed this.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d74/Zenon1/full.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d74/Zenon1/_MG_0497.jpg



Oct 17, 2009 at 08:16 AM
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p.137 #5 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


A 100% crop of a shadow region of an ISO3200 image with an 18MP sensor.

I'm going to guess it's noise

Anyone else?



Oct 17, 2009 at 08:23 AM
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p.137 #6 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


It seems to be more noticeable with this unit. I just found out about PS Despeckle and applied it for the white specs. Still curious as to what causes it? Here is one after Despeckle. I have not red specs like this before.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d74/Zenon1/red.jpg



Oct 17, 2009 at 08:32 AM
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p.137 #7 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread



dwweiche wrote:
I would assume the number of processors does nothing to improve noise performance. Noise reduction speed would probably be improved.

Also I don't think multiple processors can improve a sensors ISO performance.

You mention there should be improvements over the 50D. Yes. The big one is 8 FPS with an 18 MP sensor. That's a lot of data to move that is only possible with dual processors.



Multiple processors allow more readout channels, which allows a slower readout speed; lower readout speed in turn allows lower electronic read noise. Part of the reason the 1 series has had better read noise performance is its use of dual digics, for double the number of readout channels, and this has now been carried over to the 7D. However there have been other high ISO noise improvements in the 7D -- Canon finally has tackled the issue of banding noise, and the 7D shows it in its high ISO image quality.

The Nikon D3 uses six processors to read out the sensor, which in part accounts for its excellent noise characteristics. The Sony CMOS sensors process the sensor in a massively parallel way, with a readout and digitizer for each column of the sensor; this helps to account for the stellar low ISO noise performance of the D3x, in spite of its high MP count.




Oct 17, 2009 at 09:03 AM
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p.137 #8 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


Zenon Char wrote:
It seems to be more noticeable with this unit. I just found out about PS Despeckle and applied it for the white specs. Still curious as to what causes it? Here is one after Despeckle. I have not red specs like this before.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d74/Zenon1/red.jpg


That's noise. You should be able to address that with some modest noise reduction, without blastiing detail..

Are you shooting RAW or JPG?



Oct 17, 2009 at 10:05 AM
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p.137 #9 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


RAW with NR Off. I use Dfine which does a good job. The red spots just seem to stand out more than usual.


Oct 17, 2009 at 10:22 AM
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p.137 #10 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


Had to leave for a moment to find this. I do not see this in this image. ISO 3200 - NR Off.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E7D/E7DhSLI03200_NR_OFF.HTM



Oct 17, 2009 at 10:25 AM
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p.137 #11 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


Zenon Char wrote:
Can someone tell me what these white and red specs are? ISO 3200 and the second is a 100% crop of underneath the SUV.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d74/Zenon1/_MG_0497.jpg


It is a sign that you have all NR turned off and the camera is not interfering with your raw files, so they will be really crisp, and respond extremely well to simple noise reductions techniques, like Photoshop dust and scratches:
http://cyberphotographer.com/7d/speckless.jpg



Oct 17, 2009 at 10:34 AM
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p.137 #12 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


Thanks. That's pretty good. I appreciate the reply.


Oct 17, 2009 at 11:13 AM
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p.137 #13 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


mogur2 wrote:
Thanks for all the suggestions for setting focus on the 7D.
Below are a few shots taken with the 7D using the Sigma 50-500 zoom. Cropped to about 1/3 frame.




Not to seem harsh but those look worse then what my G10 does. What iso where those at? The birds look like blotches.

d~



Oct 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM
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p.137 #14 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


Hi,
ISO @ 800, severe backlighting. Needed PS filllight to open.



Oct 17, 2009 at 12:13 PM
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p.137 #15 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


I see. That explains the blotchy birds.

thanks

d~



Oct 17, 2009 at 12:32 PM
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p.137 #16 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


You can clean up the white specs nicely with the photoshop filter "dust and scratches"


Oct 17, 2009 at 02:39 PM
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p.137 #17 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


Yes that worked well. What causes that?


Oct 17, 2009 at 02:40 PM
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p.137 #18 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


I have seen the white specs in other cameras at high ISO. Not unique to the 7D. You see it in underexposed area of high ISO images.

Photoshop Dust and Scratches cleans it up.

Thanks to Brainiac in a previous post. He demonstrated how well the Photoshop filter Dust and Scratches works.



Oct 17, 2009 at 02:42 PM
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p.137 #19 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


mogur2,

We get that seve lighing here in New Mexico. The contrast is just to harsh to record. I try to always keep the sun to my back when shooting in such light.
The puts the image back into the recordable range.



Oct 17, 2009 at 02:47 PM
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p.137 #20 · Canon EOS 7D Master thread


Zenon Char wrote:
Yes that worked well. What causes that?


Impulsive component to the read noise in RAW data. In other words, a few pixels that are outliers in the noise distribution. They are particular colors (like red) when it is a red pixel in the CFA that has the noise impulse -- the surrounding G and B pixels aren't as noisy, so you get color saturated noise spikes. White is more likely a spiky G pixel, due to the way demosaic works.



Oct 17, 2009 at 03:19 PM
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