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p.13 #1the d300s killer
digitalbug30d wrote:
...........it's visible if you print large formats....haven't you heard of Genuine Fractal?
- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to shout about.....when you forget about the hype...you realize the 7D is ever so slightly evolutionary, not at all revolutionary.a 1.6 crop is like a 1.6 TC....so what does a TC do for you hmmmm...?
100mm+1.6 crop = 160mm when you look into VF
100mm+ 1.6 TC=160mm when look into VF
image will look .6 times closer
a 1.6 crop is like a 1.6 TC.....This is the funniest thing I've heard in years.!.
100mm+1.6 crop = 160mm when you look into VF...What you have here is the FOV of a 160mm lens, you don't get the magnification or distance compression of a 160mm.
rhyder wrote
Jorgen Udvang wrote
]- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to shout about.....when you forget about the hype...you realize the 7D is ever so slightly evolutionary, not at all revolutionary.
100mm+1.6 crop = 160mm when you look into VF
100mm+ 1.6 TC=160mm when look into VF
image will look .6 times closer
a 1.6 crop is like a 1.6 TC.....This is the funniest thing I've heard in years.!.
100mm+1.6 crop = 160mm when you look into VF...What you have here is the FOV of a 160mm lens, you don't get the magnification or distance compression of a 160mm.
Sep 12, 2009 at 06:24 AM
p.13 #2the d300s killer
LeifG wrote:
...........it's visible if you print large formats....haven't you heard of Genuine Fractal?
- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to shout about.....when you forget about the hype...you realize the 7D is ever so slightly evolutionary, not at all revolutionary.It is significant for Canon to produce a high FPS, fast AF, durable build APS camera. Canon realise they had missed the boat when the D300 came out. The term revolutionary should perhaps in my opinion be reserved for real firsts such as the first sub £1000 DSLR (Canon) or first FF DSLR (Canon), or first IS DSLR lens (Canon), or first DO lens (Canon), or first DSLR with a print button (Canon). Still, we use 'legendary' to mean merely 'famous', such is the debasement of words by the advertising industry and others.
Longer reach from APS-C is not a...Show more →
.."It is significant for Canon to produce a high FPS, fast AF, durable build APS camera"......This is the sad part. What took so long?
...Longer reach from APS-C is not a myth, assuming the same pixel count in FF and APS-C...Sure it is. I've proved it using my D3 and D300.
rhyder wrote
Jorgen Udvang wrote
]- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to shout about.....when you forget about the hype...you realize the 7D is ever so slightly evolutionary, not at all revolutionary.
Longer reach from APS-C is not a...Show more →
.."It is significant for Canon to produce a high FPS, fast AF, durable build APS camera"......This is the sad part. What took so long?
...Longer reach from APS-C is not a myth, assuming the same pixel count in FF and APS-C...Sure it is. I've proved it using my D3 and D300.
Sep 12, 2009 at 06:30 AM
p.13 #3the d300s killer
I'm leaving this discussion. Pointing out that Canon has produced a camera that has a few advantages compared to the current Nikon offering is apparently not popular reading. I have a bag full of Nikon gear that I use 365 days a year. Still I find the results I've seen so far from the 7D rather intriguing compared to the D300. Does that make me a Canon fanboy? That would be interesting, since the only Canon camera I've ever owned was the Powershot A95.
I'm sure Nikon will come up with a camera that is better than the 7D in a year or so. But if I need to upgrade today, that's not an option. With digital technology, I'm more and more inclined to own two systems, not because it will improve my photography, but because the leading edge technology offers me options that I find useful in an increasingly multimedia reality.
I'm sure Nikon will come up with a camera that is better than the 7D in a year or so. But if I need to upgrade today, that's not an option. With digital technology, I'm more and more inclined to own two systems, not because it will improve my photography, but because the leading edge technology offers me options that I find useful in an increasingly multimedia reality.
Sep 12, 2009 at 08:43 AM
p.13 #4the d300s killer
Jorgen Udvang wrote:
I'm leaving this discussion. Pointing out that Canon has produced a camera that has a few advantages compared to the current Nikon offering is apparently not popular reading. I have a bag full of Nikon gear that I use 365 days a year. Still I find the results I've seen so far from the 7D rather intriguing compared to the D300. Does that make me a Canon fanboy? That would be interesting, since the only Canon camera I've ever owned was the Powershot A95.
I'm sure Nikon will come up with a camera that is better than the 7D in...Show more →
I would put a picture up of curly bill brocious up if it wasn't for the fact that that I agree with you.
I'm leaving this discussion. Pointing out that Canon has produced a camera that has a few advantages compared to the current Nikon offering is apparently not popular reading. I have a bag full of Nikon gear that I use 365 days a year. Still I find the results I've seen so far from the 7D rather intriguing compared to the D300. Does that make me a Canon fanboy? That would be interesting, since the only Canon camera I've ever owned was the Powershot A95.
I'm sure Nikon will come up with a camera that is better than the 7D in...Show more →
I would put a picture up of curly bill brocious up if it wasn't for the fact that that I agree with you.
Sep 12, 2009 at 08:53 AM
p.13 #5the d300s killer
rhyder wrote:
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
It is not, although it has to do with pixel density rather than format per se.
a 1.6 crop is like a 1.6 TC.....This is the funniest thing I've heard in years.!.
100mm+1.6 crop = 160mm when you look into VF...What you have here is the FOV of a 160mm lens, you don't get the magnification or distance compression of a 160mm.
The perspective is the same, the only thing that changes is the DOF attainable at a particular aperture. You need a wider aperture for the shorter lens on the smaller format to equal the longer lens on the larger format.
I've proved it using my D3 and D300.
Proved what? Differences in perspective? Not.
That they can both be printed equally large? Again, not.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
It is not, although it has to do with pixel density rather than format per se.
a 1.6 crop is like a 1.6 TC.....This is the funniest thing I've heard in years.!.
100mm+1.6 crop = 160mm when you look into VF...What you have here is the FOV of a 160mm lens, you don't get the magnification or distance compression of a 160mm.
The perspective is the same, the only thing that changes is the DOF attainable at a particular aperture. You need a wider aperture for the shorter lens on the smaller format to equal the longer lens on the larger format.
I've proved it using my D3 and D300.
Proved what? Differences in perspective? Not.
That they can both be printed equally large? Again, not.
Sep 12, 2009 at 09:01 AM
p.13 #6the d300s killer
rhyder wrote:
...........it's visible if you print large formats....haven't you heard of Genuine Fractal?
- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to...Show more →
Genuine fractals do to replace real resolution, but it helps. Remember that those same fractals can be applied to the higher resolution image too.
I must agree, video on the DSLRs right now is mainly a gimic, but give it time.
If you are talking about magnification, yes, you are correct about the "myth", but if you are talking about resolution, it is NOT a myth. 18MP from a 7D provides greater resolution for a given FOV than the 12MP of the D3. So regarding resolution, 200mm on the D7 is roughly equal to 300mm on a D3 for FOV but the 7D will have more resolution. Final magnification can be optical or sensor driven.
Jorgen Udvang wrote
]- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to...Show more →
Genuine fractals do to replace real resolution, but it helps. Remember that those same fractals can be applied to the higher resolution image too.
I must agree, video on the DSLRs right now is mainly a gimic, but give it time.
If you are talking about magnification, yes, you are correct about the "myth", but if you are talking about resolution, it is NOT a myth. 18MP from a 7D provides greater resolution for a given FOV than the 12MP of the D3. So regarding resolution, 200mm on the D7 is roughly equal to 300mm on a D3 for FOV but the 7D will have more resolution. Final magnification can be optical or sensor driven.
Sep 12, 2009 at 09:13 AM
p.13 #7the d300s killer
LeifG wrote:
...........it's visible if you print large formats....haven't you heard of Genuine Fractal?
- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to shout about.....when you forget about the hype...you realize the 7D is ever so slightly evolutionary, not at all revolutionary.It is significant for Canon to produce a high FPS, fast AF, durable build APS camera. Canon realise they had missed the boat when the D300 came out. The term revolutionary should perhaps in my opinion be reserved for real firsts such as the first sub £1000 DSLR (Canon) or first FF DSLR (Canon), or first IS DSLR lens (Canon), or first DO lens (Canon), or first DSLR with a print button (Canon). Still, we use 'legendary' to mean merely 'famous', such is the debasement of words by the advertising industry and others.
Longer reach from APS-C is not a...Show more →
Or how about the first effective SLR system (Nikon) or the first SLR zoom (Nikon) or the first AF lens (Nikon) or the first DSLR (Nikon) or the first DSLR capable of >ISO3200 with good image quality (Nikon) or the first DSLR with >8 FPS (Nikon) ... I could go on.
I must agree that Nikon hit a home run with the D300 and Canon missed the boat. Just like Nikon missed the boat 5 years ago while Canon was pounding away. It goes back and forth ... be happy, it's a good thing for both camps!
rhyder wrote
Jorgen Udvang wrote
]- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to shout about.....when you forget about the hype...you realize the 7D is ever so slightly evolutionary, not at all revolutionary.
Longer reach from APS-C is not a...Show more →
Or how about the first effective SLR system (Nikon) or the first SLR zoom (Nikon) or the first AF lens (Nikon) or the first DSLR (Nikon) or the first DSLR capable of >ISO3200 with good image quality (Nikon) or the first DSLR with >8 FPS (Nikon) ... I could go on.
I must agree that Nikon hit a home run with the D300 and Canon missed the boat. Just like Nikon missed the boat 5 years ago while Canon was pounding away. It goes back and forth ... be happy, it's a good thing for both camps!
Sep 12, 2009 at 09:16 AM
p.13 #8the d300s killer
Andre Labonte wrote:
Or how about the first effective SLR system (Nikon) or the first SLR zoom (Nikon) or the first AF lens (Nikon) or the first DSLR (Nikon) or the first DSLR capable of >ISO3200 with good image quality (Nikon) or the first DSLR with >8 FPS (Nikon) ... I could go on.
I must agree that Nikon hit a home run with the D300 and Canon missed the boat. Just like Nikon missed the boat 5 years ago while Canon was pounding away. It goes back and forth ... be happy, it's a good thing for both camps!
Fair points. Looks like my attempt to be contentious failed ...
Or how about the first effective SLR system (Nikon) or the first SLR zoom (Nikon) or the first AF lens (Nikon) or the first DSLR (Nikon) or the first DSLR capable of >ISO3200 with good image quality (Nikon) or the first DSLR with >8 FPS (Nikon) ... I could go on.
I must agree that Nikon hit a home run with the D300 and Canon missed the boat. Just like Nikon missed the boat 5 years ago while Canon was pounding away. It goes back and forth ... be happy, it's a good thing for both camps!
Fair points. Looks like my attempt to be contentious failed ...
Sep 12, 2009 at 10:34 AM
p.13 #9the d300s killer
Andre Labonte wrote:
...........it's visible if you print large formats....haven't you heard of Genuine Fractal?
- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to shout about.....when you forget about the hype...you realize the 7D is ever so slightly evolutionary, not at all revolutionary.Genuine fractals do to replace real resolution, but it helps. Remember that those same fractals can be applied to the higher resolution image too.
I must agree, video on the DSLRs right now is mainly a gimic, but give it time.
If you are talking about magnification, yes, you are correct about the "myth", but if you are talking about resolution, it is NOT a myth. 18MP from a 7D provides greater resolution for a given FOV than the 12MP of the D3. So regarding resolution, 200mm on the D7 is roughly equal to 300mm on a D3 for FOV but...Show more →
This assumes all pixels are created equal, which is not the case.
rhyder wrote
Jorgen Udvang wrote
]- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to shout about.....when you forget about the hype...you realize the 7D is ever so slightly evolutionary, not at all revolutionary.
I must agree, video on the DSLRs right now is mainly a gimic, but give it time.
If you are talking about magnification, yes, you are correct about the "myth", but if you are talking about resolution, it is NOT a myth. 18MP from a 7D provides greater resolution for a given FOV than the 12MP of the D3. So regarding resolution, 200mm on the D7 is roughly equal to 300mm on a D3 for FOV but...Show more →
This assumes all pixels are created equal, which is not the case.
Sep 12, 2009 at 10:37 AM
p.13 #10the d300s killer
Andre Labonte wrote:
...........it's visible if you print large formats....haven't you heard of Genuine Fractal?
- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to shout about.....when you forget about the hype...you realize the 7D is ever so slightly evolutionary, not at all revolutionary.It is significant for Canon to produce a high FPS, fast AF, durable build APS camera. Canon realise they had missed the boat when the D300 came out. The term revolutionary should perhaps in my opinion be reserved for real firsts such as the first sub £1000 DSLR (Canon) or first FF DSLR (Canon), or first IS DSLR lens (Canon), or first DO lens (Canon), or first DSLR with a print button (Canon). Still, we use 'legendary' to mean merely 'famous', such is the debasement of words by the advertising industry and others.
Longer reach from APS-C is not a myth, assuming the same pixel count in FF and APS-C.Or how about the first effective SLR system (Nikon) or the first SLR zoom (Nikon) or the first AF lens (Nikon) or the first DSLR (Nikon) or the first DSLR capable of >ISO3200 with good image quality (Nikon) or the first DSLR with >8 FPS (Nikon) ... I could go on.
I must agree that Nikon hit a home run with the D300 and Canon missed the boat. Just like Nikon missed the boat 5 years ago while Canon was pounding away. It goes back and forth ... be happy, it's a good thing for both camps!
Let's not forget the Kodak FF was introduced at the same time as the 1Ds. I agree Nikon hit it out of the park with the D300, AND the D700 AND the D3.
The 7D seems like a good camera. A D300s killer? I think not.
LeifG wrote
rhyder wrote
Jorgen Udvang wrote
]- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to shout about.....when you forget about the hype...you realize the 7D is ever so slightly evolutionary, not at all revolutionary.
Longer reach from APS-C is not a myth, assuming the same pixel count in FF and APS-C.
I must agree that Nikon hit a home run with the D300 and Canon missed the boat. Just like Nikon missed the boat 5 years ago while Canon was pounding away. It goes back and forth ... be happy, it's a good thing for both camps!
Let's not forget the Kodak FF was introduced at the same time as the 1Ds. I agree Nikon hit it out of the park with the D300, AND the D700 AND the D3.
The 7D seems like a good camera. A D300s killer? I think not.
Sep 12, 2009 at 10:47 AM
p.13 #11the d300s killer
rhyder wrote:
Let's not forget the Kodak FF was introduced at the same time as the 1Ds. I agree Nikon hit it out of the park with the D300, AND the D700 AND the D3.
The 7D seems like a good camera. A D300s killer? I think not.
It might be best to forget the Kodak FF. Otherwise, +1.
Let's not forget the Kodak FF was introduced at the same time as the 1Ds. I agree Nikon hit it out of the park with the D300, AND the D700 AND the D3.
The 7D seems like a good camera. A D300s killer? I think not.
It might be best to forget the Kodak FF. Otherwise, +1.
Sep 12, 2009 at 02:09 PM
p.13 #12the d300s killer
rhyder wrote:
This assumes all pixels are created equal, which is not the case.
You have repeatedly posted assertions without deigning to give an explanation. Or is it that some cameras have magic pixies?
This assumes all pixels are created equal, which is not the case.
You have repeatedly posted assertions without deigning to give an explanation. Or is it that some cameras have magic pixies?
Sep 12, 2009 at 02:12 PM
p.13 #13the d300s killer
LeifG wrote:
You have repeatedly posted assertions without deigning to give an explanation. Or is it that some cameras have magic pixies?
Not all pixels are the same. There's nothing magic about it. How do you think the D3 (FF) and the D300 (1.5 crop) have the same amount of pixels? Ever notice that the D200 and the D300 have the same size sensor yet have a different amount of pixels? Its not just the size of the pixels that are different either. Do a little research, you'll see what I mean.
rhyder wrote
This assumes all pixels are created equal, which is not the case.Not all pixels are the same. There's nothing magic about it. How do you think the D3 (FF) and the D300 (1.5 crop) have the same amount of pixels? Ever notice that the D200 and the D300 have the same size sensor yet have a different amount of pixels? Its not just the size of the pixels that are different either. Do a little research, you'll see what I mean.
Sep 12, 2009 at 03:11 PM
p.13 #14the d300s killer
LeifG wrote:
The 7D seems like a good camera. A D300s killer? I think not.It might be best to forget the Kodak FF. Otherwise, +1.
You're probably right here
, but I do give kodak credit for helping to kickstart digital photography.
rhyder wrote
Let's not forget the Kodak FF was introduced at the same time as the 1Ds. I agree Nikon hit it out of the park with the D300, AND the D700 AND the D3.The 7D seems like a good camera. A D300s killer? I think not.
You're probably right here
, but I do give kodak credit for helping to kickstart digital photography.Sep 12, 2009 at 03:13 PM
p.13 #15the d300s killer
rhyder wrote:
...........it's visible if you print large formats....haven't you heard of Genuine Fractal?
- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to shout about.....when you forget about the hype...you realize the 7D is ever so slightly evolutionary, not at all revolutionary.Genuine fractals do to replace real resolution, but it helps. Remember that those same fractals can be applied to the higher resolution image too.
I must agree, video on the DSLRs right now is mainly a gimic, but give it time.
If you are talking about magnification, yes, you are correct about the "myth", but if you are talking about resolution, it is NOT a myth. 18MP from a 7D provides greater resolution for a given FOV than the 12MP of the D3. So regarding resolution, 200mm on the D7 is roughly equal to 300mm on a D3 for FOV but the 7D will have more resolution. Final magnification can be optical or sensor driven.This assumes all pixels are created equal, which is not the case.
True, but that comes down to application and ISO and lenses.
Andre Labonte wrote
rhyder wrote
Jorgen Udvang wrote
]- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to shout about.....when you forget about the hype...you realize the 7D is ever so slightly evolutionary, not at all revolutionary.
I must agree, video on the DSLRs right now is mainly a gimic, but give it time.
If you are talking about magnification, yes, you are correct about the "myth", but if you are talking about resolution, it is NOT a myth. 18MP from a 7D provides greater resolution for a given FOV than the 12MP of the D3. So regarding resolution, 200mm on the D7 is roughly equal to 300mm on a D3 for FOV but the 7D will have more resolution. Final magnification can be optical or sensor driven.
True, but that comes down to application and ISO and lenses.
Sep 12, 2009 at 07:08 PM
p.13 #16the d300s killer
rhyder wrote:
...........it's visible if you print large formats....haven't you heard of Genuine Fractal?
- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to shout about.....when you forget about the hype...you realize the 7D is ever so slightly evolutionary, not at all revolutionary.It is significant for Canon to produce a high FPS, fast AF, durable build APS camera. Canon realise they had missed the boat when the D300 came out. The term revolutionary should perhaps in my opinion be reserved for real firsts such as the first sub £1000 DSLR (Canon) or first FF DSLR (Canon), or first IS DSLR lens (Canon), or first DO lens (Canon), or first DSLR with a print button (Canon). Still, we use 'legendary' to mean merely 'famous', such is the debasement of words by the advertising industry and others.
Longer reach from APS-C is not a myth, assuming the same pixel count in FF and APS-C.Or how about the first effective SLR system (Nikon) or the first SLR zoom (Nikon) or the first AF lens (Nikon) or the first DSLR (Nikon) or the first DSLR capable of >ISO3200 with good image quality (Nikon) or the first DSLR with >8 FPS (Nikon) ... I could go on.
I must agree that Nikon hit a home run with the D300 and Canon missed the boat. Just like Nikon missed the boat 5 years ago while Canon was pounding away. It goes back and forth ... be happy, it's a good thing for both camps!Let's not forget the Kodak FF was introduced at the same time as the 1Ds. I agree Nikon hit it out of the park with the D300, AND the D700 AND the D3.
The 7D seems like a good camera. A D300s killer? I think not.
On that last statement, I'm in agreement with you 100%. I don't think a few extra mega-pixels makes that much difference at all. I think the OP was trying to be provacative with the title ... and it seems to have worked.
Andre Labonte wrote
LeifG wrote
rhyder wrote
Jorgen Udvang wrote
]- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to shout about.....when you forget about the hype...you realize the 7D is ever so slightly evolutionary, not at all revolutionary.
Longer reach from APS-C is not a myth, assuming the same pixel count in FF and APS-C.
I must agree that Nikon hit a home run with the D300 and Canon missed the boat. Just like Nikon missed the boat 5 years ago while Canon was pounding away. It goes back and forth ... be happy, it's a good thing for both camps!
The 7D seems like a good camera. A D300s killer? I think not.
On that last statement, I'm in agreement with you 100%. I don't think a few extra mega-pixels makes that much difference at all. I think the OP was trying to be provacative with the title ... and it seems to have worked.
Sep 12, 2009 at 07:09 PM
p.13 #17the d300s killer
rhyder wrote:
The 7D seems like a good camera. A D300s killer? I think not.It might be best to forget the Kodak FF. Otherwise, +1.You're probably right here , but I do give kodak credit for helping to kickstart digital photography.
Kodak? Who's Kodak? (puts on asbestose suit and ... 
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LeifG wrote
rhyder wrote
Let's not forget the Kodak FF was introduced at the same time as the 1Ds. I agree Nikon hit it out of the park with the D300, AND the D700 AND the D3.The 7D seems like a good camera. A D300s killer? I think not.
, but I do give kodak credit for helping to kickstart digital photography.Kodak? Who's Kodak?
(puts on asbestose suit and ... )Sep 12, 2009 at 07:11 PM
p.13 #18the d300s killer
rhyder wrote:
...........it's visible if you print large formats....haven't you heard of Genuine Fractal?
- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to shout about.....when you forget about the hype...you realize the 7D is ever so slightly evolutionary, not at all revolutionary.It is significant for Canon to produce a high FPS, fast AF, durable build APS camera. Canon realise they had missed the boat when the D300 came out. The term revolutionary should perhaps in my opinion be reserved for real firsts such as the first sub £1000 DSLR (Canon) or first FF DSLR (Canon), or first IS DSLR lens (Canon), or first DO lens (Canon), or first DSLR with a print button (Canon). Still, we use 'legendary' to mean merely 'famous', such is the debasement of words by the advertising industry and others.
Longer reach from APS-C is not a myth, assuming the same pixel count in FF and APS-C.Or how about the first effective SLR system (Nikon) or the first SLR zoom (Nikon) or the first AF lens (Nikon) or the first DSLR (Nikon) or the first DSLR capable of >ISO3200 with good image quality (Nikon) or the first DSLR with >8 FPS (Nikon) ... I could go on.
I must agree that Nikon hit a home run with the D300 and Canon missed the boat. Just like Nikon missed the boat 5 years ago while Canon was pounding away. It goes back and forth ... be happy, it's a good thing for both camps!Let's not forget the Kodak FF was introduced at the same time as the 1Ds. I agree Nikon hit it out of the park with the D300, AND the D700 AND the D3.
The 7D seems like a good camera. A D300s killer? I think not.
Might not have killed the D300s...but it sure took any wind out of it's sails. To me, compared to the 7D release, the D300s is a so what release. The 7D surely has the stage at the momment.
Andre Labonte wrote
LeifG wrote
rhyder wrote
Jorgen Udvang wrote
]- The 7D has more advanced video options than the D300S, and if HD video is important for the user........If you knew video, you know that video on a DSLR has many problems to iron out, try panning with one(rolling shutter). At this point in time, its a toy feature to sell more cameras.
.....Longer reach.....reach from a crop sensor is a myth
I've never gained a thing arguing about camera specs. I've never seen a camera spec make a photographer better.
Canon fanboys must really be hungry for something to shout about.....when you forget about the hype...you realize the 7D is ever so slightly evolutionary, not at all revolutionary.
Longer reach from APS-C is not a myth, assuming the same pixel count in FF and APS-C.
I must agree that Nikon hit a home run with the D300 and Canon missed the boat. Just like Nikon missed the boat 5 years ago while Canon was pounding away. It goes back and forth ... be happy, it's a good thing for both camps!
The 7D seems like a good camera. A D300s killer? I think not.
Might not have killed the D300s...but it sure took any wind out of it's sails. To me, compared to the 7D release, the D300s is a so what release. The 7D surely has the stage at the momment.
Sep 12, 2009 at 08:14 PM
p.13 #19the d300s killer
The wind out of it's sails, the stage, good grief. It's a camera, one that still hasn't seen retail.
Sep 12, 2009 at 08:20 PM
p.13 #20the d300s killer
monochrome wrote:
The wind out of it's sails, the stage, good grief. It's a camera, one that still hasn't seen retail.
That is my point. Not one 7D has been sold, yet it has quickly quietened the D300s release. Even the Nikon board is talking about the 7D.
The wind out of it's sails, the stage, good grief. It's a camera, one that still hasn't seen retail.
That is my point. Not one 7D has been sold, yet it has quickly quietened the D300s release. Even the Nikon board is talking about the 7D.
Sep 12, 2009 at 08:26 PM