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Archive 2009Canon 7D
p.59 #1Canon 7D
Steve Spencer wrote:
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and to me that me the mythical 3D is coming before too long and will compete very well with the D700 and it successor.Please, please, please. 
I think that Canon will create such a camera because the successor to the D700 will be something similar and I think Canon can see that too.
Will Nikon offer a D700s and a D700x. I think it's clear many are happy with 12-16MP for FF, so I think they will update D700 like they did D300, but they also need to address 5D II and a900/850 and will also offer a D700x (I'd call it something else though).
michael49 wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
....3D - about 25 megapixels, FF, 6 fps, pro AF, two digic IV processors, 100% viewfinder (maybe # megapixels and fps will change but they will multiply together to about 150 megapixels per second - so maybe 21 megapixels at 7 pfs), $3,000...
and to me that me the mythical 3D is coming before too long and will compete very well with the D700 and it successor.
Will Nikon offer a D700s and a D700x. I think it's clear many are happy with 12-16MP for FF, so I think they will update D700 like they did D300, but they also need to address 5D II and a900/850 and will also offer a D700x (I'd call it something else though).
Aug 30, 2009 at 07:58 AM
p.59 #2Canon 7D
skibum5 wrote:
never to years is my guess
it takes a long time and the 17-55 is a fine lens
not sure it would make sense for them to do that for a long while
they don't call EF-S L, it already uses L design internally (if maybe not L build for that one)Do you have info on the 17-55, where it has L designs internally?Strictly speaking there is no such thing as an L design per se, every lens needs its own specific type of design, but at the time of the 17-55 they really hadn't used much in the way of low dispersion glass or fancy aspherical elements outside of L lenses, which the 17-55 has. Basically the 17-55 is sharper than 24-70L,24-105L and uses exotic elements and is priced as if it were an L. Aside from non-L outer construction I don't see anything different from a typical L.
Traditionally, L lenses mean that they have some exotic glass inside. However, the 10-22 and 17-55 also have it but lack the L designation. It may be because BQ is not on par with L lenses and/or it derives from a marketing decision to differentiate EF-S glass to consumer bodies.
http://photonotes.org/articles/beginner-faq/lenses.html#L
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
RobertLynn wrote
skibum5 wrote
xabi wrote
When will canon upgrade the 17-55mm f2.8 to 15-55mm f2.8 (preferably 15-55mm L)? I'd be in line to buy one if they do.it takes a long time and the 17-55 is a fine lens
not sure it would make sense for them to do that for a long while
they don't call EF-S L, it already uses L design internally (if maybe not L build for that one)
Traditionally, L lenses mean that they have some exotic glass inside. However, the 10-22 and 17-55 also have it but lack the L designation. It may be because BQ is not on par with L lenses and/or it derives from a marketing decision to differentiate EF-S glass to consumer bodies.
http://photonotes.org/articles/beginner-faq/lenses.html#L
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Aug 30, 2009 at 08:02 AM
p.59 #3Canon 7D
Canon specifically said they will never make EF-S L lenses.
Aug 30, 2009 at 08:04 AM
p.59 #4Canon 7D
Venus wrote:
hiii ... that's why they don't need to make any announcements in china. from china, everything is leaked to the world!
Leak of information can be a business tactic.
hiii ... that's why they don't need to make any announcements in china. from china, everything is leaked to the world!
Leak of information can be a business tactic.
Aug 30, 2009 at 08:08 AM
p.59 #5Canon 7D
Steve Spencer wrote:
most of these people that spend time on the internet speculating and complaining will never be happy. they all expect something for nothing.
most of these people that spend time on the internet speculating and complaining will never be happy. they all expect something for nothing.
Aug 30, 2009 at 08:09 AM
p.59 #6Canon 7D
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Canon specifically said they will never make EF-S L lenses.
Do you have a source for that? I would like to read more about it.
Canon specifically said they will never make EF-S L lenses.
Do you have a source for that? I would like to read more about it.
Aug 30, 2009 at 08:09 AM
p.59 #7Canon 7D
So it's pretty much confirmed. 18 mpx and APS-C :-( The only attractive feature is the pro AF......but we'll see how that one performs. Blow by blow though, this pretty much pummels the Nikon D300s - even down to the price. Sorry Nikon!!!
Aug 30, 2009 at 08:10 AM
p.59 #8Canon 7D
big country wrote:
most of these people that spend time on the internet speculating and complaining will never be happy. they all expect something for nothing.
Does it mean no one can voice out? No one should vote? Everyone should keep quiet?
Steve Spencer wrote
Does it mean no one can voice out? No one should vote? Everyone should keep quiet?
Aug 30, 2009 at 08:12 AM
p.59 #9Canon 7D
Xavier Rival wrote:
... (I am tired with specialized cameras when other brands have shown this specialization does not make much sense today, as Nikon did do with the d700).
But then people will complain that they're paying extra for features they don't need.
It's impossible to try and please everyone.
... (I am tired with specialized cameras when other brands have shown this specialization does not make much sense today, as Nikon did do with the d700).
But then people will complain that they're paying extra for features they don't need.
It's impossible to try and please everyone.
Aug 30, 2009 at 08:17 AM
p.59 #10Canon 7D
dhphoto wrote:
It depends if you want to limit yourself to crop sensors, I have personally more or less given up on them as I find full frame cameras so much easier to get properly sharp results from.
Canon wants to create a 'second-class' system of crop cameras and lenses, so it sells more gear. I'm not playing that game any longer
I don't mind if the camera is crop or FF. I think that there are many aspects within a camera which influence its attractiveness in my eyes and it's format is not first on the list. One of the main things that are is AF coverage across the frame (in percentage) and there, crop cameras have a distinct advantage over FF ones. That is why I opted for the 40D instead of the 5D and that is why I basically prefer the 1D Mk III over the 1Ds Mk III.
And BTW, only after getting the 40D I found another advantage of the 1.6X format over 1.3X and FF: I can mount EF-S lenses on them. They offer distinct advantages (size, price, features etc.) over their EF counterparts, all this without sacrificing IQ.
Originally I had the 1D and planed on getting the 1D Mk III. However, the AF problems swayed me away from it. I then purchased the 40D and today I am so happy with the EF-S format that I decided that my next cam (Mk IV) will just joint it. Now however, it's extremely likely that I'll replace the 40D with 7D. Canon will have to do wonders in the 1D/s Mk IV to lure me into buying one. Then again, save from the high MP count of the 7D I think they have done just that in the APS format.
I can't wait for PMA.....
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Yakim Peled wrote
Just to add a bit more info, I replaced the 17-40/4 L for the 10-22, the 24-105/4 L for the 17-55 and the 100/2.8 for the 60/2.8. IQ is every bit as good or (in the former case) a tad better. Also, after owning the 17-55 alongside the 35/1.4 L and Sigma 50/1.4 for several months I eventually sold the primes as they became redundant. It's O.K., I have 5 more.Canon wants to create a 'second-class' system of crop cameras and lenses, so it sells more gear. I'm not playing that game any longer
I don't mind if the camera is crop or FF. I think that there are many aspects within a camera which influence its attractiveness in my eyes and it's format is not first on the list. One of the main things that are is AF coverage across the frame (in percentage) and there, crop cameras have a distinct advantage over FF ones. That is why I opted for the 40D instead of the 5D and that is why I basically prefer the 1D Mk III over the 1Ds Mk III.
And BTW, only after getting the 40D I found another advantage of the 1.6X format over 1.3X and FF: I can mount EF-S lenses on them. They offer distinct advantages (size, price, features etc.) over their EF counterparts, all this without sacrificing IQ.
Originally I had the 1D and planed on getting the 1D Mk III. However, the AF problems swayed me away from it. I then purchased the 40D and today I am so happy with the EF-S format that I decided that my next cam (Mk IV) will just joint it. Now however, it's extremely likely that I'll replace the 40D with 7D. Canon will have to do wonders in the 1D/s Mk IV to lure me into buying one. Then again, save from the high MP count of the 7D I think they have done just that in the APS format.
I can't wait for PMA.....
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Aug 30, 2009 at 08:34 AM
p.59 #11Canon 7D
made to take on nikon d300s
interesting vital statistics .. in this day and age, it may be old news
Approximately 18 Megapixel, APS-C CMOS Sensor (1.6x crop factor)
Dual Digic 4 with 14-bit Image Processing
Approximately 8fps (94 JPEG fine/15 RAW) burst buffer
All-new eight-directional double cross central AF point, total 19 cross AF points
ISO 100-6400 (Extendable to ISO 12800)
All-new 100% 1.0X magnification Viewfinder with three-dimensional electronic level display
All-new iFCL intelligent metering system (calculates highlight & color)
3.0¡å, 920K dots, 160 degrees of viewing angle with anti-glare High Resolution LCD display type II
Full HD capability, external stereo mic input & HDMI output
Live View with Face Priority AF
New Video/Live View button switch
Aero Dynamic Body Design, metal characteristic shutter sound up to 150.000 cycle
All-new 24mm built-in flash with EOS Intelligent Speedlite System
Highlight Priority Mode
Lens Vignette Control
More Picture Style
EOS Integrated Dust Reduction System
Edited on Aug 30, 2009 at 08:37 AM · View previous versions
interesting vital statistics .. in this day and age, it may be old news
Approximately 18 Megapixel, APS-C CMOS Sensor (1.6x crop factor)
Dual Digic 4 with 14-bit Image Processing
Approximately 8fps (94 JPEG fine/15 RAW) burst buffer
All-new eight-directional double cross central AF point, total 19 cross AF points
ISO 100-6400 (Extendable to ISO 12800)
All-new 100% 1.0X magnification Viewfinder with three-dimensional electronic level display
All-new iFCL intelligent metering system (calculates highlight & color)
3.0¡å, 920K dots, 160 degrees of viewing angle with anti-glare High Resolution LCD display type II
Full HD capability, external stereo mic input & HDMI output
Live View with Face Priority AF
New Video/Live View button switch
Aero Dynamic Body Design, metal characteristic shutter sound up to 150.000 cycle
All-new 24mm built-in flash with EOS Intelligent Speedlite System
Highlight Priority Mode
Lens Vignette Control
More Picture Style
EOS Integrated Dust Reduction System
Edited on Aug 30, 2009 at 08:37 AM · View previous versions
Aug 30, 2009 at 08:35 AM
p.59 #12Canon 7D
Any comments on this from canonrumors?
New eight-directional double cross central AF point, total 19 cross AF points
Looks like it's got 4 AF 'lines' on the center instead of just 2. I wonder if this means the new 1 series AF will have the same... or maybe all 19 would be eight directional?
Also, It seems to me they skimped on the RAW buffer a bit... although I guess that's about 2 seconds and depends on how fast it clears..
New eight-directional double cross central AF point, total 19 cross AF points
Looks like it's got 4 AF 'lines' on the center instead of just 2. I wonder if this means the new 1 series AF will have the same... or maybe all 19 would be eight directional?
Also, It seems to me they skimped on the RAW buffer a bit... although I guess that's about 2 seconds and depends on how fast it clears..
Aug 30, 2009 at 08:36 AM
p.59 #13Canon 7D
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Canon specifically said they will never make EF-S L lenses.
I missed that statement. Can you give a reference?
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Canon specifically said they will never make EF-S L lenses.
I missed that statement. Can you give a reference?
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Aug 30, 2009 at 08:49 AM
p.59 #14Canon 7D
Venus wrote:
made to take on nikon d300s
interesting vital statistics .. in this day and age, it may be old news
Approximately 18 Megapixel, APS-C CMOS Sensor (1.6x crop factor)
Dual Digic 4 with 14-bit Image Processing
Approximately 8fps (94 JPEG fine/15 RAW) burst buffer
All-new eight-directional double cross central AF point, total 19 cross AF points
ISO 100-6400 (Extendable to ISO 12800)
All-new 100% 1.0X magnification Viewfinder with three-dimensional electronic level display
All-new iFCL intelligent metering system (calculates highlight & color)
3.0¡å, 920K dots, 160 degrees of viewing angle with anti-glare High Resolution LCD display type...Show more →
Where is this from and why is it assumed to be true?
made to take on nikon d300s
interesting vital statistics .. in this day and age, it may be old news
Approximately 18 Megapixel, APS-C CMOS Sensor (1.6x crop factor)
Dual Digic 4 with 14-bit Image Processing
Approximately 8fps (94 JPEG fine/15 RAW) burst buffer
All-new eight-directional double cross central AF point, total 19 cross AF points
ISO 100-6400 (Extendable to ISO 12800)
All-new 100% 1.0X magnification Viewfinder with three-dimensional electronic level display
All-new iFCL intelligent metering system (calculates highlight & color)
3.0¡å, 920K dots, 160 degrees of viewing angle with anti-glare High Resolution LCD display type...Show more →
Where is this from and why is it assumed to be true?
Aug 30, 2009 at 09:12 AM
p.59 #15Canon 7D
does chiense source mention anything about weather seal feature on 7D?
Aug 30, 2009 at 09:58 AM
p.59 #16Canon 7D
Does "Aero Dynamic Body Design" mean that it'll go further if you throw it?
Aug 30, 2009 at 10:02 AM
p.59 #17Canon 7D
norrad wrote:
Does "Aero Dynamic Body Design" mean that it'll go further if you throw it?
Lost in translation. I think they meant "ergonomic".
Does "Aero Dynamic Body Design" mean that it'll go further if you throw it?
Lost in translation. I think they meant "ergonomic".
Aug 30, 2009 at 10:05 AM
p.59 #18Canon 7D
Yakim Peled wrote:
I missed that statement. Can you give a reference?
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Yakim, I seem to remember a few yaers ago in one of those 'un-official' Canon statements (probably from Chuck Westfall but not sure) that there would be no EF-S L's....but I hardly think that any statement (official or not) made a few years ago has any bearing what-so-ever on what Canon Corp is doing today. In fact, even if there is no officially designated 'crop' L's, that doesn't mean that some may in fact be optically equal to an 'L' lens.
Omar
Pixel Perfect wrote
Canon specifically said they will never make EF-S L lenses.Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Yakim, I seem to remember a few yaers ago in one of those 'un-official' Canon statements (probably from Chuck Westfall but not sure) that there would be no EF-S L's....but I hardly think that any statement (official or not) made a few years ago has any bearing what-so-ever on what Canon Corp is doing today. In fact, even if there is no officially designated 'crop' L's, that doesn't mean that some may in fact be optically equal to an 'L' lens.
Omar
Aug 30, 2009 at 10:11 AM
p.59 #19Canon 7D
Yakim Peled wrote:
I missed that statement. Can you give a reference?
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
I've heard this many, many times. Any L lens has to work on all Canon bodies.
Pixel Perfect wrote
Canon specifically said they will never make EF-S L lenses.Happy shooting,
Yakim.
I've heard this many, many times. Any L lens has to work on all Canon bodies.
Aug 30, 2009 at 10:11 AM
p.59 #20Canon 7D
"3D - about 25 megapixels, FF, 6 fps, pro AF, two digic IV processors, 100% viewfinder (maybe # megapixels and fps will change but they will multiply together to about 150 megapixels per second - so maybe 21 megapixels at 7 pfs), $3,000"
This is the camera I want. But Canon has so far refused to make it.
Everything else is too much of a compromise for me in one way or another. So much so that if I didn't have a ton oe Canon glass, I'd be considering moving away, something I never thought I would do. --c
Aug 30, 2009 at 10:48 AM