p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · New 'anti-photography' laws. Sad!
I'm posting this here because it effects everybody, there is something similar/related on the Nikon thread. It's an important issue for us all.
The British Journal of Photography has an article about new laws about to be introduced in Britain. This is posted from the bjp-online.com website. Please think about it's implications for a moment.
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Jail for photographing police?
The relationship between photographers and police could worsen next month when new laws are introduced that allow for the arrest - and imprisonment - of anyone who takes pictures of officers 'likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism'.
Set to become law on 16 February 2009, the Counter-Terrorism Act 2008 amends the Terrorism Act 2000 regarding offences relating to information about members of armed forces, a member of the intelligence services, or a police officer.
The new set of rules, under section 76 of the 2008 Act and section 58A of the 2000 Act, will target anyone who 'elicits or attempts to elicit information about (members of armed forces) ... which is of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism'.
A person found guilty of this offence could be liable to imprisonment for up to 10 years, and to a fine.
The law is expected to increase the anti-terrorism powers used today by police officers to stop photographers, including press photographers, from taking pictures in public places. 'Who is to say that police officers won't abuse these powers,' asks freelance photographer Justin Tallis, who was threatened by an officer last week.
Tallis, a London-based photographer, was covering the anti-BBC protest on Saturday 24 January when he was approached by a police officer. Tallis had just taken a picture of the officer, who then asked to see the picture. The photographer refused, arguing that, as a press photographer, he had a right to take pictures of police officers.
According to Tallis, the officer then tried to take the camera away. Before giving up, the officer said that Tallis 'shouldn't have taken that photo, you were intimidating me'. The incident was caught on camera by photojournalist Marc Vallee.
Tallis is a member of the National Union of Journalists and the British Press Photographers' Association. 'The incident lasted just 10 seconds, but you don't expect a police officer to try to pull your camera from your neck,' Tallis tells BJP.
The incident came less than a week after it was revealed that an amateur photographer was stopped in Cleveland by police officers when taking pictures of ships. The photographer was asked if he had any terrorism connections and told that his details would be kept on file.
A Cleveland Police spokeswoman explained: 'If seen in suspicious circumstances, members of the public may well be approached by police officers and asked about their activities. Photography of buildings and areas from a public place is not an offence and is certainly not something the police wish to discourage. Nevertheless, in order to verify a person's actions as being entirely innocent, police officers are expected to engage and seek clarification where appropriate.'
The statement echoes the Prime Minister's answer to a petition signed by more than 5700 people. Gordon Brown reaffirmed, last week, that the police have a legal right to restrict photography in public places.
'There are no legal restrictions on photography in public places. However, the law applies to photographers as it does to anybody else in a public place. So there may be situations in which the taking of photographs may cause or lead to public order situations or raise security considerations,' Downing Street says.
'Each situation will be different and it would be an operational matter for the officer concerned as to what action if any should be taken in respect of those taking photographs. Anybody with a concern about a specific incident should raise the matter with the chief constable of the relevant force.'
However, Liberty, which campaigns on human rights, has decried the excessive use of stop-and-search powers given to police officers under section 44 of the Terrorism Act. The group's legal director, James Welch, said the powers were used too widely.
In December, freelance press photographer Jess Hurd was detained for more than 45 minutes after she was stopped while covering the wedding of a couple married in Docklands.
She was detained under section 44 of the Terrorism Act. Her camera was forcefully removed from her, and while she showed her press card, three police officers insisted on viewing the footage she had taken.
'Any officer who suspects an offence has been committed has the right to detain you,' a Metropolitan press officer told BJP at the time. 'Because you are a press photographer does not preclude you from being stopped under section 44 of the Terrorism Act. If the officer thought the photographer acted suspiciously, and especially if it was in a sensitive place, he had a right to detain and question the photographer.'
The tension between police officers and photographers is not limited to the UK. Last week, Icelandic police fired pepper spray on photojournalists as they were covering protests in front of the country's parliament building.
Kristjan Logason, a press photographer in Iceland, tells BJP that he was targeted along with other press photographers. 'The Icelandic police systematically tried to remove photographers by pepper-spraying them,' he says.
The photographers were covering a protest in front of the Althing parliament building in the capital Reykjavik. Iceland's financial system collapsed in October under the weight of billions of dollars of foreign debts incurred by its banks.
Already seven photographers have come forward as having been targetted by the Icelandic Police.
p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · New 'anti-photography' laws. Sad!
Thanks for cross-posting this Nik. This is oppressive news. As you imply we can indeed expect these kind of policies to be globalized (albeit at varying rates) by the process of "rapid policy transfer" where nation-states & municipalities adopt the polices of larger & more influential entities without much consideration of the consequences. The most obvious analogy is Mayor Guiliani's "zero tolerance" policing policies which - for better or for worse - were rapidly adopted around the globe, long before New Yorkers had even had the chance to consider their impact.
p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · New 'anti-photography' laws. Sad!
Nowhere Man wrote:
Perhaps move this to the Misc forum.
No Nik. Leave it where it will be seen, not swept under the carpet in the Miscellaneous forum. This should be at the forefront as this is where the photographers hang out. You'd be lucky to have 3 people view it.
p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · New 'anti-photography' laws. Sad!
Antonio Tiki wrote:
No Nik. Leave it where it will be seen, not swept under the carpet in the Miscellaneous forum. This should be at the forefront as this is where the photographers hang out. You'd be lucky to have 3 people view it.
p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · New 'anti-photography' laws. Sad!
The UK is very anti-photography these days. If you photograph children you're a pervert. If you photograph police you're a terrorist. Ironic that a nation so pro-surveillance can be so anti-photography. I'm not saying this to disparage UK or to brag about the US (clearly things aren't so rosy here either); just statement of fact.
Hang in there, fellas. There are a lot of activists trying to get this ridiculous trend reversed and these types of vague, power-trip laws revoked. If you're in the UK and feel strongly about this definitely seek out similar-minded folks and do what you can.
p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · New 'anti-photography' laws. Sad!
I wonder if the powers at be, have heard of google earth and street view. I can view pretty much any building, port, airport from my home. and get a pretty good layout of the building with little difficulty.
AS a British UK resident I see these new laws as a terrible infringment on my cilvil liberties.
Problem is we have a media (mainly press) that are making the non intelligent people that read them think that everybody that has camera and a lens thats bigger than a phone is a pervert. when normally I would think the perverts probably use camera phones!
Anybody that has a different colour skin and caries a backpack is a terrorist.
All adds up to the point that the average UK Joe when asked either has no idea what this law could mean or will think its a good idea "cos it will stop people blowing us up".
It might not be so bad if we had a police force that new the law and when was best to apply it but we dont so yes you will more than likely get stopped/arrested if you photograph them or just about any building/place that could be thought of as sensertive. or we had a bunch of security and council workers that think its their right and duty to hassle normal people for taking pictures of interesting places and buildings. (and this when we have google up your street so you sit in your lare and plot a campaign).
Do any of you nice countries want to someone on a very long visit?
As a British subject and photographer I would advise anyone visiting the UK to be careful, the United Kingdom is no longer a free country. We are rapidly becoming a police state.
In England you watch what you say in public, you watch what you say on the phone, you watch what you type on emails. If you go to any town centre you will be spied on by multiple CCTV cameras for your "protection". Every UK citizen is being enrolled on more and more state databases, with all the potential for error and abuse that will bring.
England is more like East Germany was than any major western country. I wish I were exaggerating, but I am not. I am editing this post with this example:
I don't know where to start with the article. Here maybe...
The incident came less than a week after it was revealed that an amateur photographer was stopped in Cleveland by police officers when taking pictures of ships. The photographer was asked if he had any terrorism connections and told that his details would be kept on file.
The law now states that if you are questioned or arrested under section 44 your name will be put on file will indicate "terrorism 44 stop".
See below, a copy of another search advice and full story.
I read an article somewhere some time ago that never has anybody found pictures of attacked places in any terroristīs hideouts. Cameras and terrorism is a constructed connection based on watching too many Hollywood movies, an unhealthy dose of pure imagination and a Governmental wish to oppress people.
David Baldwin wrote:
As a British subject and photographer I would advise anyone visiting the UK to be careful, the United Kingdom is no longer a free country. We are rapidly becoming a police state.
In England you watch what you say in public, you watch what you say on the phone, you watch what you type on emails. If you go to any town centre you will be spied on by multiple CCTV cameras for your "protection". Every UK citizen is being enrolled on more and more state databases, with all the potential for error and abuse that will bring.
England is more like East Germany was than any major western country. I wish I were exaggerating, but I am not. I am editing this post with this example:
Somewhere along the line people forgot that Orwell was writing a warning about, not an outline for, government interference.
Unfortunately, I have some first hand experience about the stupidity that unbridled fear can cause. While out shooting one day, I was stopped and surrounded by four police cars. They demanded my camera and informed me that under the Patriot Act they could detain me for as long as they wished and didn't have to tell anyone where I was. Why? For taking the picture below of an abandoned steel mill. When I pointed out that if I was a terrorist it would probably better if I blew up a factory that had not been in operation for 20 years rather than a place with people in it, they backed off. Sad days are upon us.
I was in London a few years back, soon after the bombings, taking photos of Parliament. A bobby began to approach me and I looked myself over and went on taking photos. Surely you can photograph the most famous building in London...
Anyway, he continues up to me and addresses me thus: "Excuse me. Would you mind doing your fly up please?". The way he said it was as if I was deliberately walking around with my fly undone, no smile, no nothing.
Anyway. As a British subject and photographer I would advise anyone visiting the UK to be careful, the United Kingdom is no longer a free country. We are rapidly becoming a police state. In England you watch what you say in public, you watch what you say on the phone, you watch what you type on emails. If you go to any town centre you will be spied on by multiple CCTV cameras for your "protection". Every UK citizen is being enrolled on more and more state databases, with all the potential for error and abuse that will bring. England is more like East Germany was than any major western country. I wish I were exaggerating, but I am not. I am editing this post with this example:...Show more →
Sounds like Brazil (the movie).
This is just another twist on an old idea; recall the anticommunist ferver of the 1950's as an example. Of course the true idea is to protect the government from the people and not the other way around.
Fortunately here in the US we've gotten rid of the posterboy for this kind of thinking, but the mentality still has plenty of places to hang on. It's actually quite amazing how quickly people will give up their rights in order to feel "safe". For many it took the death of a little over 3000 people on 9/11 to wipe out the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands who died to preserve and defend freedom. It was Ben Franklin who said "a man who gives up freedem for security ends up with neither".
Justin D wrote:
I was in London a few years back, soon after the bombings, taking photos of Parliament. A bobby began to approach me and I looked myself over and went on taking photos. Surely you can photograph the most famous building in London...
Anyway, he continues up to me and addresses me thus: "Excuse me. Would you mind doing your fly up please?". The way he said it was as if I was deliberately walking around with my fly undone, no smile, no nothing.
Anyway.
Sounds like Brazil (the movie).
Yeah just think How many 'Terrorists' vist places like London and take surveilance photos (sorry holiday snaps) of all the great builings it has to offer like the Houses of Parliment , Buckinham Palace etc.
Technically if you photograph the changing of the guard or the guards outside buck house then you are breaking this law.