Archive 2009 · CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
p.4 #1CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
Just thought I would check out CPS in Australia
http://www.canon.com.au/CPS/member_eligibility.html
I like the photo of the EOS 1 with the 50/1.4 on the page.
http://www.canon.com.au/CPS/member_eligibility.html
I like the photo of the EOS 1 with the 50/1.4 on the page.
Mar 11, 2009 at 04:01 AM
p.4 #2CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
I don't quite get the hoopla about this, especially on a board where a majority of members seem to be either hobbyists or nearly so.
I am very glad when I don't need to have any contacts with Canon Canada service centre. Every time I do, there is complications and worse. CPS status wouldn't cure any of that.
I am very glad when I don't need to have any contacts with Canon Canada service centre. Every time I do, there is complications and worse. CPS status wouldn't cure any of that.
Mar 11, 2009 at 05:32 AM
p.4 #3CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
John P Mulgrew wrote:
Oh, I joined and I'm not a pro and yes I own two pro bodies plus a bag of L's
I've spent thousands on my hobby so why shouldn't a company give me the same respect as a wedding photographer?
The primary purpose of CPS is to ensure that the working tools of a professional photographer are kept in peak condition and that any required repairs are done quickly. It's Canons' support mechanism & process for professional photographers' equipment.
There is no connection whatsoever between what you have spent on your hobby and what the equipment requirements of a professional photographer are.
The respect you're asking Canon to give you (a non-professional) in a membership group designed & restricted to professionals is exactly what wrong with the former CPS .. dilettantes with attitude clogging up the repair centers.
Oh, I joined and I'm not a pro and yes I own two pro bodies plus a bag of L's
I've spent thousands on my hobby so why shouldn't a company give me the same respect as a wedding photographer? The primary purpose of CPS is to ensure that the working tools of a professional photographer are kept in peak condition and that any required repairs are done quickly. It's Canons' support mechanism & process for professional photographers' equipment.
There is no connection whatsoever between what you have spent on your hobby and what the equipment requirements of a professional photographer are.
The respect you're asking Canon to give you (a non-professional) in a membership group designed & restricted to professionals is exactly what wrong with the former CPS .. dilettantes with attitude clogging up the repair centers.
Mar 11, 2009 at 05:49 AM
p.4 #4CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
PetKal wrote:
I am very glad when I don't need to have any contacts with Canon Canada service centre. Every time I do, there is complications and worse. CPS status wouldn't cure any of that.
A side story. Had a wee problem with my 'local' Canon support in Dublin ~ told me months. I sent it through CPS UK and job done and dusted in a week.
I am very glad when I don't need to have any contacts with Canon Canada service centre. Every time I do, there is complications and worse. CPS status wouldn't cure any of that.
A side story. Had a wee problem with my 'local' Canon support in Dublin ~ told me months. I sent it through CPS UK and job done and dusted in a week.
Mar 11, 2009 at 05:58 AM
p.4 #5CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
Mike C. wrote:
This is a copy of my reply to the same topic in the Wedding forum.
CPS stands for Canon Professional Service, here in the UK the new rules for membership
are that you own 2 Professional cameras and 3 L lenses. 20/30/40/50D and the 5D`s are not professional but consumer cameras. It`s bad enough as it is with Uncle Bob who has a brace of 1D/1Ds and a camera bag full of L lenses turning up at Pro events just to use an 800mm for the day shooting from the stands. Canon supply loan cameras and lenses for CPS members at...Show more →
Did you fall and bump your head, where you think that a 5D isn't a professional camera?
This is a copy of my reply to the same topic in the Wedding forum.
CPS stands for Canon Professional Service, here in the UK the new rules for membership
are that you own 2 Professional cameras and 3 L lenses. 20/30/40/50D and the 5D`s are not professional but consumer cameras. It`s bad enough as it is with Uncle Bob who has a brace of 1D/1Ds and a camera bag full of L lenses turning up at Pro events just to use an 800mm for the day shooting from the stands. Canon supply loan cameras and lenses for CPS members at...Show more →
Did you fall and bump your head, where you think that a 5D isn't a professional camera?
Mar 11, 2009 at 06:11 AM
p.4 #6CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
Mike C. wrote:
This is a copy of my reply to the same topic in the Wedding forum.
CPS stands for Canon Professional Service, here in the UK the new rules for membership
are that you own 2 Professional cameras and 3 L lenses. 20/30/40/50D and the 5D`s are not professional but consumer cameras. It`s bad enough as it is with Uncle Bob who has a brace of 1D/1Ds and a camera bag full of L lenses turning up at Pro events just to use an 800mm for the day shooting from the stands. Canon supply loan cameras and lenses for CPS members at...Show more →
Agree 100%
Not too sure what the discussion is all about as it says right on the box ..... Canon Professional Services
Yet we have a few hobbyists who are bragging about how much they have spent on their gear and they want in the CPS club. And when someone points out it's for professionals they resort to name calling and remind us of how much big $$$$ they spent trying to buy some photos.
Not sure where these people get their sense of entitlement from.
This is a copy of my reply to the same topic in the Wedding forum.
CPS stands for Canon Professional Service, here in the UK the new rules for membership
are that you own 2 Professional cameras and 3 L lenses. 20/30/40/50D and the 5D`s are not professional but consumer cameras. It`s bad enough as it is with Uncle Bob who has a brace of 1D/1Ds and a camera bag full of L lenses turning up at Pro events just to use an 800mm for the day shooting from the stands. Canon supply loan cameras and lenses for CPS members at...Show more →
Agree 100%
Not too sure what the discussion is all about as it says right on the box ..... Canon Professional Services
Yet we have a few hobbyists who are bragging about how much they have spent on their gear and they want in the CPS club. And when someone points out it's for professionals they resort to name calling and remind us of how much big $$$$ they spent trying to buy some photos.
Not sure where these people get their sense of entitlement from.
Mar 11, 2009 at 06:30 AM
p.4 #7CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
Mike C. wrote:
This is a copy of my reply to the same topic in the Wedding forum.
CPS stands for Canon Professional Service, here in the UK the new rules for membership
are that you own 2 Professional cameras and 3 L lenses. 20/30/40/50D and the 5D`s are not professional but consumer cameras. It`s bad enough as it is with Uncle Bob who has a brace of 1D/1Ds and a camera bag full of L lenses turning up at Pro events just to use an 800mm for the day shooting from the stands. Canon supply loan cameras and lenses for CPS members at...Show more →
Well besides your 5D point, which i'de argue despite not having 'professional' posted on the box has made more than enough money for more than enough pro's to classify as such...
Absolutely 100% spot on. CPS is a service to keep WORKING photographers in business. It's not about how much you've spent on your kit and what you think you deserve as reward, it's about helping those who make a living from it continue to be able to put food on the table. If a load of rich folk are clogging the system, they might be stopping someone who really NEEDS to rent that lens or get this camera repaired to pay his or her bills! As many have said, the clue is in the name. CPS. None of you would like someone coming into your place of work and threatening your job... Just because photography is a hobby to so many don't forget it's a profession to so many others.
This is a copy of my reply to the same topic in the Wedding forum.
CPS stands for Canon Professional Service, here in the UK the new rules for membership
are that you own 2 Professional cameras and 3 L lenses. 20/30/40/50D and the 5D`s are not professional but consumer cameras. It`s bad enough as it is with Uncle Bob who has a brace of 1D/1Ds and a camera bag full of L lenses turning up at Pro events just to use an 800mm for the day shooting from the stands. Canon supply loan cameras and lenses for CPS members at...Show more →
Well besides your 5D point, which i'de argue despite not having 'professional' posted on the box has made more than enough money for more than enough pro's to classify as such...
Absolutely 100% spot on. CPS is a service to keep WORKING photographers in business. It's not about how much you've spent on your kit and what you think you deserve as reward, it's about helping those who make a living from it continue to be able to put food on the table. If a load of rich folk are clogging the system, they might be stopping someone who really NEEDS to rent that lens or get this camera repaired to pay his or her bills! As many have said, the clue is in the name. CPS. None of you would like someone coming into your place of work and threatening your job... Just because photography is a hobby to so many don't forget it's a profession to so many others.
Mar 11, 2009 at 07:51 AM
p.4 #8CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
nathanlake wrote:
Well, now this thread had devolved into nothing more than a Canon bash. I encourage you to buy Nikon.
Nope, grass in not greener on the other side, infact this is a reality of the our days economy...take car industry as an example, the same thing there.
All i'm saying is that things have changed, world have changed and as long as producer's will not pot back in service what they have cut from production, things will be worst for most of us, buyers. that is all.
Well, now this thread had devolved into nothing more than a Canon bash. I encourage you to buy Nikon.
Nope, grass in not greener on the other side, infact this is a reality of the our days economy...take car industry as an example, the same thing there.
All i'm saying is that things have changed, world have changed and as long as producer's will not pot back in service what they have cut from production, things will be worst for most of us, buyers. that is all.
Mar 11, 2009 at 08:17 AM
p.4 #9CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
AdrianRogers wrote:
CPS stands for Canon Professional Service, here in the UK the new rules for membership
are that you own 2 Professional cameras and 3 L lenses. 20/30/40/50D and the 5D`s are not professional but consumer cameras. It`s bad enough as it is with Uncle Bob who has a brace of 1D/1Ds and a camera bag full of L lenses turning up at Pro events just to use an 800mm for the day shooting from the stands. Canon supply loan cameras and lenses for CPS members at major events but there is a limit to the amount of loan gear they have with them. We the ( Pros ) have asked Canon to make sure that the membership of CPS is for full time accredited professional and not the Uncle Bob`s who can afford to buy the gear as a hobby, takes the loan gear to give the photos away just to be published. I have shot Motor sports for over 30years, but this year I will not be applying for press accreditation, as so many amateurs are giving their photographs away we cannot cover the costs that they do not have, my Public Liability insurance this year is over $900. CPS gives the pro peace of mind that if Canon cannot fix our gear within 24 hours we get loaners, we have a living to make, they do it for pleasure.
MikeWell besides your 5D point, which i'de argue despite not having 'professional' posted on the box has made more than enough money for more than enough pro's to classify as such...
Absolutely 100% spot on. CPS is a service to keep WORKING photographers in business. It's not about how much you've spent on your kit and what you think you deserve as reward, it's about helping those who make a living from it continue to be able to put food on the table. If a load of rich folk are clogging the system, they might be stopping someone who really NEEDS...Show more →
Well said.... it really has nothing to do with whether you are capable of taking pro quality photos.. it has everything to do with keeping the equipment working for people who need it to live.
Mike C. wrote
This is a copy of my reply to the same topic in the Wedding forum.CPS stands for Canon Professional Service, here in the UK the new rules for membership
are that you own 2 Professional cameras and 3 L lenses. 20/30/40/50D and the 5D`s are not professional but consumer cameras. It`s bad enough as it is with Uncle Bob who has a brace of 1D/1Ds and a camera bag full of L lenses turning up at Pro events just to use an 800mm for the day shooting from the stands. Canon supply loan cameras and lenses for CPS members at major events but there is a limit to the amount of loan gear they have with them. We the ( Pros ) have asked Canon to make sure that the membership of CPS is for full time accredited professional and not the Uncle Bob`s who can afford to buy the gear as a hobby, takes the loan gear to give the photos away just to be published. I have shot Motor sports for over 30years, but this year I will not be applying for press accreditation, as so many amateurs are giving their photographs away we cannot cover the costs that they do not have, my Public Liability insurance this year is over $900. CPS gives the pro peace of mind that if Canon cannot fix our gear within 24 hours we get loaners, we have a living to make, they do it for pleasure.
Mike
Absolutely 100% spot on. CPS is a service to keep WORKING photographers in business. It's not about how much you've spent on your kit and what you think you deserve as reward, it's about helping those who make a living from it continue to be able to put food on the table. If a load of rich folk are clogging the system, they might be stopping someone who really NEEDS...Show more →
Well said.... it really has nothing to do with whether you are capable of taking pro quality photos.. it has everything to do with keeping the equipment working for people who need it to live.
Mar 11, 2009 at 10:48 AM
p.4 #10CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
Mike Mahoney wrote:
I've spent thousands on my hobby so why shouldn't a company give me the same respect as a wedding photographer?The primary purpose of CPS is to ensure that the working tools of a professional photographer are kept in peak condition and that any required repairs are done quickly. It's Canons' support mechanism & process for professional photographers' equipment.
There is no connection whatsoever between what you have spent on your hobby and what the equipment requirements of a professional photographer are.
The respect you're asking Canon to give you (a non-professional) in a membership group designed & restricted to professionals is exactly what wrong with the former CPS .. dilettantes with attitude clogging up the repair centers.
Didn't you get chased out of the sports forum when you made some PM's public? troll!
John P Mulgrew wrote
Oh, I joined and I'm not a pro and yes I own two pro bodies plus a bag of L's I've spent thousands on my hobby so why shouldn't a company give me the same respect as a wedding photographer?There is no connection whatsoever between what you have spent on your hobby and what the equipment requirements of a professional photographer are.
The respect you're asking Canon to give you (a non-professional) in a membership group designed & restricted to professionals is exactly what wrong with the former CPS .. dilettantes with attitude clogging up the repair centers.
Didn't you get chased out of the sports forum when you made some PM's public? troll!
Mar 11, 2009 at 11:26 AM
p.4 #11CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
Wow some real big egos in this thread! I'm getting out, it's stinks in here!
Lot of wedding photogs in here, yech!
Lot of wedding photogs in here, yech!
Mar 11, 2009 at 11:27 AM
p.4 #12CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
AdrianRogers wrote:
[CPS is a service to keep WORKING photographers in business. It's not about how much you've spent on your kit and what you think you deserve as reward, it's about helping those who make a living from it continue to be able to put food on the table. If a load of rich folk are clogging the system, they might be stopping someone who really NEEDS to rent that lens or get this camera repaired to pay his or her bills! As many have said, the clue is in the name. CPS. None of you would like someone coming into...Show more →
As OP, I'd like to point out my issue was the "full-time professional" part, not the "professional" part. I, as well as several other well-respected members of the Sports Corner (here on FM) only shoot part-time, but do shoot professionally. I'm not arguing to let hobbyists in, just for the relaxation of the full-time restriction. I have a fully-licensed and insured photography business, but I don't shoot it full time. I cover a 120+ team league, plus several gymnastics meets per year, plus shoot for a larger company. The fact that I also have a "day job" seems to exclude me from this.
Now, I am (was?) a CPS member, and perhaps they had the same restriction before, but I don't recall seeing that. I do remember having to send in advertisements, postcards, invoices, etc. along with FEIN and state sale-tax license proof, but not having to check the "full-time" part.
Seems like people are getting away from my original post (which was geared toward the Sports people, but some moderator moved it, it seems.)
John
[CPS is a service to keep WORKING photographers in business. It's not about how much you've spent on your kit and what you think you deserve as reward, it's about helping those who make a living from it continue to be able to put food on the table. If a load of rich folk are clogging the system, they might be stopping someone who really NEEDS to rent that lens or get this camera repaired to pay his or her bills! As many have said, the clue is in the name. CPS. None of you would like someone coming into...Show more →
As OP, I'd like to point out my issue was the "full-time professional" part, not the "professional" part. I, as well as several other well-respected members of the Sports Corner (here on FM) only shoot part-time, but do shoot professionally. I'm not arguing to let hobbyists in, just for the relaxation of the full-time restriction. I have a fully-licensed and insured photography business, but I don't shoot it full time. I cover a 120+ team league, plus several gymnastics meets per year, plus shoot for a larger company. The fact that I also have a "day job" seems to exclude me from this.
Now, I am (was?) a CPS member, and perhaps they had the same restriction before, but I don't recall seeing that. I do remember having to send in advertisements, postcards, invoices, etc. along with FEIN and state sale-tax license proof, but not having to check the "full-time" part.
Seems like people are getting away from my original post (which was geared toward the Sports people, but some moderator moved it, it seems.)
John
Mar 11, 2009 at 02:39 PM
p.4 #13CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
John P Mulgrew wrote:
[We the ( Pros )]
How typical of a Wedding Photographer forum user to use this blabber. Yes the snobbish, elitist attitude creeps it's way into the Canon forom. Oh watch out for Uncle Bob and his 1DMK78 and 5000m Lens shooting from some bleachers, he's always around giving everything away for free including brand new CPS membership stickers. Hey I sold a picture last week, I'm a pro now woooooooooo hoooooooooooooooooo! Why would a wedding photographer lower himself/herself to shooting Motor sports as well, I would think it would be beneath your PROFESSIONAL WEDDING DRESS SHOOTING capabilities.
Mike C,...Show more →
Mr Mulgrew, It has nothing to do with being a "Wedding Snob", I started work for a newspaper in 1965 at 15yrs old, by 1969 I was a paid up member of the NUJ ( National Union of Journalists ) and by 1974 working for one of the UK leading sports agencies covering sports all over the world. And until 1989 we had to focus the camera, expose correctly, and have the film back on the editors desk 30 mins after an event. When Canon started the CPS service it was the best thing since sliced bread, as "Pros" were able to get a 24 hour turn around on repairs or would be loaned cameras and lenses. At most of the worlds sporting events Canon would have on site technical service plus you could loan a lens that you would not normally have with you, ( 600mm were hard to get hold of even if you could afford them}.
Even as far back as the 2006 world cup in Germany there were 1000 photographers for every camera and lens that Canon had brought to the games. I have since 1975 bought all my own equipment raised a family and put a roof over their heads, worked a seven day week with up to 18 hours a day, had two major heart attacks and a transplant, and the total number of days I took off being ill was about 6 weeks, because nobody paid my mortgage or paid my bills while I was ill, you had to get back to work. I do weddings because I love doing weddings, and after nearly 40 years have enough replete business to keep me busy. As I stated before Canon Professional Services is meant for professionals who make a living taking photographs so if we have a problem we can be working again the next day, so if that makes me a snob so be it.
A Canon Snob, and proud of it.
[We the ( Pros )]
How typical of a Wedding Photographer forum user to use this blabber. Yes the snobbish, elitist attitude creeps it's way into the Canon forom. Oh watch out for Uncle Bob and his 1DMK78 and 5000m Lens shooting from some bleachers, he's always around giving everything away for free including brand new CPS membership stickers. Hey I sold a picture last week, I'm a pro now woooooooooo hoooooooooooooooooo! Why would a wedding photographer lower himself/herself to shooting Motor sports as well, I would think it would be beneath your PROFESSIONAL WEDDING DRESS SHOOTING capabilities.
Mike C,...Show more →
Mr Mulgrew, It has nothing to do with being a "Wedding Snob", I started work for a newspaper in 1965 at 15yrs old, by 1969 I was a paid up member of the NUJ ( National Union of Journalists ) and by 1974 working for one of the UK leading sports agencies covering sports all over the world. And until 1989 we had to focus the camera, expose correctly, and have the film back on the editors desk 30 mins after an event. When Canon started the CPS service it was the best thing since sliced bread, as "Pros" were able to get a 24 hour turn around on repairs or would be loaned cameras and lenses. At most of the worlds sporting events Canon would have on site technical service plus you could loan a lens that you would not normally have with you, ( 600mm were hard to get hold of even if you could afford them}.
Even as far back as the 2006 world cup in Germany there were 1000 photographers for every camera and lens that Canon had brought to the games. I have since 1975 bought all my own equipment raised a family and put a roof over their heads, worked a seven day week with up to 18 hours a day, had two major heart attacks and a transplant, and the total number of days I took off being ill was about 6 weeks, because nobody paid my mortgage or paid my bills while I was ill, you had to get back to work. I do weddings because I love doing weddings, and after nearly 40 years have enough replete business to keep me busy. As I stated before Canon Professional Services is meant for professionals who make a living taking photographs so if we have a problem we can be working again the next day, so if that makes me a snob so be it.
A Canon Snob, and proud of it.
Mar 11, 2009 at 05:39 PM
p.4 #14CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
Impressive Mike C. now please leave the arrogance at the doorway with your Uncle Bob comment.
Mar 11, 2009 at 07:22 PM
p.4 #15CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
John P Mulgrew wrote:
Impressive Mike C. now please leave the arrogance at the doorway with your Uncle Bob comment.
Are so offended because your an "uncle Bob"?
Impressive Mike C. now please leave the arrogance at the doorway with your Uncle Bob comment.
Are so offended because your an "uncle Bob"?
Mar 11, 2009 at 08:14 PM
p.4 #16CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
No my name is John but it's the way you and people like the other poster demean others, like your post on the other thread about weekend warriors, what's that about? Hey you guys take pictures of weddings, you don't bust through front doors trying to catch a bad guy, you don't walk on roofs of a flaming building, you take pictures of dresses and rings, so please enough of the attitude and arrogance towards others.
Mar 12, 2009 at 03:43 AM
p.4 #17CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
As an agency photographer I make my living by taking the risk of being a full time photographer, and like thousands of other pros our cameras and lenses are part of the tools of our trade, and as such we cannot work without them so I and many others cannot understand why you with your income coming from another source expect the same level of service from Canon/Nikon. While you may not take your cameras and thousand's of dollars worth of lenses out of the bag for weeks, our`s are out everyday in all weathers supplying the world`s media with photographs. We are Not snobs but photographers just like most here on the forum, but the OP original post was regarding CPS
and that`s why if you do not qualify as a full time pro you can go down the route of paying for a membership if you want the service. Going now to photograph the Prime Minister in my home city.
Equipment needed: 2 x 1Dmk3, 1 x 5Dmk11 16-35mm, 24-105mm, 70-200mm, 300mm,500mm 3 x 580 flashguns, a stepladder and probably a 2 mile hike because of security
Mike
and that`s why if you do not qualify as a full time pro you can go down the route of paying for a membership if you want the service. Going now to photograph the Prime Minister in my home city.
Equipment needed: 2 x 1Dmk3, 1 x 5Dmk11 16-35mm, 24-105mm, 70-200mm, 300mm,500mm 3 x 580 flashguns, a stepladder and probably a 2 mile hike because of security
Mike
Mar 12, 2009 at 04:48 AM
p.4 #18CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
Going now to photograph the Prime Minister in my home city.
You must be a pro, I bow down.
You must be a pro, I bow down.
Mar 12, 2009 at 04:59 AM
p.4 #19CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
Enough already. Express your opinions directly to Canon about the eligibility criteria &/or get used to it. There's been multiple threads on this & they've all devolved into name calling!
Mar 12, 2009 at 08:05 AM
p.4 #20CPS - Most of us no longer qualify
Heh, I can sort of see both sides of the argument here.
On the serious enthusiast side, I can see some people not happy being considered as "second class citizen" despite their presumed level of skill. They're probably thinking that they spend just as much money as some of the pros on their gears so they should be allowed in the CPS program.
On the pro side, seems like some of them simply want people who make a living out of photography get the priority with the CPS over the presumably pixel peeping enthusiasts who like to send their gear in for service simply because they think it's not sharp enough.
I'm just a hobbyist but personally, I can see where the pros are coming from. When a hobbyist/enthusiast camera breaks down or need calibration, the owner simply miss an opportunity to take photos but when the same thing happen to a working pro, they stand to lose a lot more.
I had a look at the CPS benefit and to be honest, nothing really useful for hobbyists/enthusiasts apart from getting "Service discounts and special offers", not even the "Service replacement loans". I haven't really taken any large amount of photos since my last trip almost two weeks ago so if I had one of my gear serviced, I don't think I would really need any replacement loan.
Maybe it would've been better if Canon has another membership program like CPS for the serious enthusiasts.
On the serious enthusiast side, I can see some people not happy being considered as "second class citizen" despite their presumed level of skill. They're probably thinking that they spend just as much money as some of the pros on their gears so they should be allowed in the CPS program.
On the pro side, seems like some of them simply want people who make a living out of photography get the priority with the CPS over the presumably pixel peeping enthusiasts who like to send their gear in for service simply because they think it's not sharp enough.
I'm just a hobbyist but personally, I can see where the pros are coming from. When a hobbyist/enthusiast camera breaks down or need calibration, the owner simply miss an opportunity to take photos but when the same thing happen to a working pro, they stand to lose a lot more.
I had a look at the CPS benefit and to be honest, nothing really useful for hobbyists/enthusiasts apart from getting "Service discounts and special offers", not even the "Service replacement loans". I haven't really taken any large amount of photos since my last trip almost two weeks ago so if I had one of my gear serviced, I don't think I would really need any replacement loan.
Maybe it would've been better if Canon has another membership program like CPS for the serious enthusiasts.
Mar 12, 2009 at 09:13 AM