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Mike Keithly
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p.1 #1 · Large Group White on white


I have been shooting a dance studio for about 6 years now and they have asked me if I can do white on white with the reflective floor, The problem is that I will have some of the groups at over 25 dancers, I normally set-up a 20 by 40 Backdrop for this, Can anyone guide me to something portable that I can use?



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Mike



Mar 04, 2009 at 04:44 PM
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p.1 #2 · Large Group White on white


Had a look at your dance portfolio. Nice work. While not the exact advice you are looking for here is some food for though for a strategy that will not require a huge background.

The more you raise the point-of-view of the camera the more the reflective floor will surround the dancers on it, so that's a strategy you might consider. That would allow you to drape the background visible behind with some 10' wide muslin hung sideways.

Doing the mirror off the floor gimmick but then chopping off the heads in reflection never made much sense to me, but you'll see that happen all the time when shots are taken at ground level. So another advantage of the higher POV looking down, with the faces of the dancers looking up at the camera, you'll be able to capture their entire reflection in the foreground (the higher you get the shorter the reflection will be. SInce the upwards angle of the faces match the downward tilt of the camera they wind up having the same perspective as in an eye-level view. There will be some foreshortening of the torso, but that tends to narrow and flatter the hips, to the extent girls that age have any

Lighting is simpler too. Since the faces are looking up you can just bounce it off the ceiling down on the faces, the ceiling will diffuse it from the point on the ceiling making the fall-off omni-directional, which in term will make it easier to keep the floor / background white. Add to the ceiling bounce a rear kicker feathered down towards the floor.

The only Catch-22 would be whether or not the ceiling in the space is high enough.

Chuck



Mar 04, 2009 at 05:15 PM
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p.1 #3 · Large Group White on white


Thanks Chuck,

This is the link she sent me to.

http://www.kellecompany.com/category/dance/costume.asp?cid=7&caid=2&pid=1001&cp=4

Any suggestions on flooring material?

Mike



Mar 04, 2009 at 05:24 PM
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p.1 #4 · Large Group White on white


how bout tile board? (the usual 3 answers are sheets of acrylic, sheets of plexi, and tileboard) It's cheap, relatively flexible, and readily available.

Here's a link to Zack Arias' page where he discusses his use of tile board

Here is a discussion on this topic on flickr.

hope that helps.



Mar 04, 2009 at 08:38 PM
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p.1 #5 · Large Group White on white


Found this with Google.

White and big -- 40' x 150' - and relatively inexpensive for the size, but I'm not sure how mirror-like it is:
https://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies/prod1;ft1_building_material-ft1_flooring_mats;pg108597_108603.html

The funny part about the Google search was that this thread was four lines below that link...

Chuck



Mar 04, 2009 at 09:19 PM
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p.1 #6 · Large Group White on white


Just thought I would share one of the shots from the event. all in all it went pretty well. Thanks for the help.


http://kemphotography.com/post/FM/dance/KEM-D1.jpg



Apr 22, 2009 at 09:45 AM
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p.1 #7 · Large Group White on white


cathpah wrote:
how bout tile board? (the usual 3 answers are sheets of acrylic, sheets of plexi, and tileboard) It's cheap, relatively flexible, and readily available.

Here's a link to Zack Arias' page where he discusses his use of tile board

Here is a discussion on this topic on flickr.

hope that helps.


That link to Zach's blog is 100% helpful to me as I am just about to invest in some of this stuf and this will guide me better in getting things just perfect.



Apr 22, 2009 at 10:04 AM
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p.1 #8 · Large Group White on white


I used the tile board technique, I also did the bifold doors this is a must. I used gaffers tape to keep the light from coming thru the crack is the doors. Because the setup was so large I had a 5 light setup. 2 to light the backdrop, 2 to light the subject and one on the floor.


Mike



Apr 22, 2009 at 10:12 AM
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p.1 #9 · Large Group White on white


Mike, that turned out great! What size tileboard did you end up going with?


Apr 22, 2009 at 12:14 PM
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p.1 #10 · Large Group White on white


I had 4x8 sheets of the flexible tile board. The backdrop was 24 wide, and I did the 4 wide across the back, taped to the floor and then over lapped the next row and did 3 wide and then 3 again.

Picked the board up at lowes, like 15 a sheet

Mike



Apr 22, 2009 at 12:47 PM
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p.1 #11 · Large Group White on white


Don't see the reflection.


Apr 22, 2009 at 01:21 PM
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p.1 #12 · Large Group White on white


jjlphoto wrote:
Don't see the reflection.


agreed. Did you take that out in post processing?

I think the main reason to use the tileboard is the reflection it provides. This reflections is almost like a more aesthetically pleasing shadow, and helps prevent the subject from looking like they are levitating.



Apr 22, 2009 at 01:53 PM
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p.1 #13 · Large Group White on white


The tile board I used I did not get a true reflection it is almost like a forward shadow, I took that out in post

Mike



Apr 22, 2009 at 03:34 PM
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p.1 #14 · Large Group White on white


I did this later in the week I achieved better results with the floor.

http://kemphotography.com/post/FM/dance/KEM-D2.jpg



Apr 22, 2009 at 03:42 PM





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