maverick666 wrote:
Yeah I'm actually amazed at Nikon...never had any problems in their equipments...no complaints from their customers...at all.....zero defects. Mind boggling.....
Maybe if they ask you to do the QC things will be better...
They don't need to. They only have to ask Nikon management/engineers how they do it.
I took my D60 rafting in the rain in Alaska and it worked fine. Pulled it out from under the poncho when I wanted to take a shot. Drenched it once from a big splash.
Took the D60 and left the 5D in the hotel room figuring if it (D60) failed it was really only worth about $200. I keep trying to make it fail so I can buy a 40D or 50D
Tried a 5DII and returned it. Not as solid as a 5D.
I think the D60 and the 5D are the best non 1 series cameras Canon has made. I don't print larger than 13X19. Great IQ on both.
Just my $0.03
Mike V wrote:
If I ran the boat that takes the photographers to Antarctica, I'd have camera bodies for sale in the bar.
You could have sold at least 6 D700's that day lol.
And on the earlier comment about canon comparing the 5d2 to the D300, that's odd since they are different type cams one being ff and one crop but anyway it is irrelevant since the D300 has decent weather resistance as well. In the wildlife forum there was a pic of one on a tripod being rained on a while back,
This has been the reason I have always stuck to nikon from my first film slr to now, Over the years there have always been things that made me want to switch like for instance the 1dmk3 and 400 5.6 would be a great combo for me shooting wildlife, but my friends mk3 had problems with it constantly
It's sad because they have so many great products but there quality control and reliability is always in question.
Eh. All the comments about how horrible it is....it really isn't too important in the long run. Everybody on the trip had 2 or three cameras, and most also had a pocket cam and /or some other format than 35mm. There was no shortage of cameras. And the reason there was no shortage is because both Nikon and Canon users brought multiple bodies due to the possibility of failure. You'd be a fool to bring a single Nikon, thinking that statistically they rarely fail.
The 5D2 isn't a serious contender for being out in the rain in my opinion (I've only owned a 5D in truth), better weather seal does not mean weather proof. I consider it no better than the 40D/50D bodies in weather resistance.
My Canon failure experience: last summer a brand new !ds3 failed - Error99 - after 15 minutes in a light rain, while shooting off the Quebec coast. Probably 60 degree F temperature, no rain cover. It came back after drying out that night.
On this trip, in Antarctica, I shot with my 1D3, exposed, using flash and making lens changes, in a very cold steady rain. No problems in over 2 hours of solid shooting. Halfway through the trip, I severly cracked the rear LCD cover. I put some "Scotch" tape over the crack, and continued to use it without problems. My 40D, used in somewhat less wet conditions, no problems. In the past, I shot with a 1D2 I used to own, in a light rain, fully exposed, with no problems.
Seems the 1-series bodies held up pretty well. That's about what I expected. 5D2, not so much.
jerrykur wrote:
Outside of this trip has anyone killed a 5D or 5DMK2 due to rain?
Anyone? The sample of this forum should be 10,000 bigger than a couple of
hours and 26 cameras in Antarctica. Or are you guys shooting for real at all
jerrykur wrote:
Outside of this trip has anyone killed a 5D or 5DMK2 due to rain? I shot
with my 5D in the pouring rain with no issues. I usually threw a trash bag
over the top but not protection much beyond that.
What is it about this trip that kills Canon cameras?
I'm wondering the same. This weekend I have been shooting here in Finland
(1.7C, 97% air humidity and drizzle now), like so many other similar days.
During rain I'm not swapping lenses, not bringing my camera from cold to
indoors uncovered, avoiding button controls if they have got wet and using
small Arena swimming towel (better than plastic as it effectively dries the
camera and it is 'breathing' material) over camera when there is drizzle ->
no problems after 100's of hours shooting in wet conditions with 5D and now
5DMKII.
Quote...
About 85% of the trip's members were shooting with Canon gear, mostly 1Ds MKII. There were a couple of 1D MKII and 5D's, with several people having Rebel XT and XTi bodies as backups.
There were quite a few camera failures, most of them occasioned by our shooting in rain on the first day ashore in The Falklands. The rain was not heavy – more a persistent drizzle than a heavy rain, but it took its toll. In all, 90 minutes of wet shooting produced six 1Ds MKII cameras which stopped working for one reason or another. Three of them recovered after a night of drying out. Three remained hors de combat for the rest of the trip.
Three Canon 5D's died that day, with one subsequent recovery. Two Rebel XTi's lost their rear LCD's, though otherwise continued to work (which is a real hassle, because though one can keep shooting, there's no way to change any settings, or at least to know what the changes are).
When you go to Antartica you must and I say again must have a back up plan which means you need to take a second camera even if it is a mechanical film camera and if your back up camera is a film camera you must keep the film warm ,with so many people here on all forum boards that shoot sport many talk about their "back up camera" now with Antartica being such an extreme environment a back up camera is a must because you just never know.
digimies wrote:
>>Outside of this trip has anyone killed a 5D or 5DMK2 due to rain?
>Anyone? The sample of this forum should be 10,000 bigger than a couple of
hours and 26 cameras in Antarctica. Or are you guys shooting for real at all
My sister killed her 5D by leaving it on the deck in a boat and it got a sloshing of sea water. Otherwise I know of several 5D mk1's which have been used in light rain, carefully, without problems.
Chrono1081 wrote:
All I have to say, and I'm sure its been said...
You are so freaking stupid if you take your gear out in the rain without proper protection then cry when its destroyed.
Raincapes and hoods folks....
And if you used this 'proper protection' in very light rain (or no rain) and it STILL died? That's what happened....
jerrykur wrote:
But, on the same trip in 2007 6 1DSMK2's died. So the 5DMK2s performed about the same as the 1DSMK2s. The question is why?
Could it be because the Nikon users were tending to use Nikon's superb zooms, the Canon users favouring primes, and lens changing was allowing damp air inside the Canons more than the Nikons? Either that or Canon 'weather sealing' sucks.
There simply is no correlation to what people did regarding lens changes, and how they may or may not have protected their cameras w/ covers.
It just ain't there.
To repeat: I changed, in the rain, lens and extenders multiple times on my 1D3. No failure. Using a 1Ds3 9 months ago, no lens change, and Error99 came up.
This inability to pinpoint a vulnerability, a weak spot in the camera construction, is the true damning quality for Canon. It means you simply can't anticipate and avoid problems.
