The 5D II brings to mind that favourite Florida expression......."Panem et circenses", the Canon variant, that is: "Give them FF megasensor and video".......the unwashed masses shall thus be contented.
godfather wrote:
I think this just reinforces the need for multiple backups when going on a trip like this (long, remote, VERY expensive). I would imagine that most of the people had 3+ bodies and could give less than a crap about them (one fails toss it in the bag and grab another).
Yeh, I would give a crap if my new $3,000 camera decides to let me down on my once in a lifetime experience. On my trips, I always take two cameras for this type of moment...but if this happened to me, I would be totally pissed.
brainiac wrote:
6/26 is pretty bad. However, most people seem to think that electronic gadgets can't tolerate even few drops of rain. When I'm working people often express surprise when they see me let my cameras get slightly wet. I suspect most 5D2 users won't be testing weather sealing in the way that these cameras were tested, so I don't think it will turn into a crisis. Certainly I will bear it in mind when using my 5D2's. 6/26 is really bad.
MR said the weather conditions were nothing special ( something about same conditions you would find in NY, a light drizzle ). Also, two of the cameras that failed were protected by Kata rain gear.
Remember all the posts about wanting the 5D / 5DII to have better weather sealing. This is why everyone wants it. The camera is great for landscapes and landscape photography requires being out in the elements. I am going to Kauai and will be out in all sorts of weather with a 5D. I do have rain gear, but this does concern me.
Chez, I don't think taking two would matter. it seemed like they were failing left and right.
If each camera has a 25% chance of failure (this is coming from the number of failures in the batch), that's a 50% chance of failure with at least 1 camera. Odds I'm not willing to mess with.
It sounds like we would have to take our cameras, and Canon Jamesburg with us.
Then again, Antarctica is colder that a witches boobies in a brass bra...I'm going where it's warmer
I have to agree with Doug Vann. After shooting outside for a period of time in cold weather, you need to put your camera in a camera bag, take it inside and unzip it, and let the bag an its contents come to room temp.
I shot for a week with a 5 D in temps where the warmest days were -8 F and the colder days down to -23 F. I also had chemical hand warmers in both of my side pockets where I would switch out batteries intermittently to warm them up.
Taking a very cold camera into a warm room without having a method to warm the camera body up slowly is a recipe for creating condensation within the camera body and future failure of the system .
RobertLynn wrote:
Then again, Antarctica is colder that a witches boobies in a brass bra...I'm going where it's warmer
This is summer in Antarctica. The temps were near freezing, +3C to -3C. Not all that cold.
Also, the one user that had two cameras fail reported that Canon said the failure was due to corrosion in the shutter release area. How that could happen during the length of a trip is beyond me.
I don't know where you're from, but freezing is cold to me. Hell, it's 40 degrees outside in Altoona, PA right now and I'm cold.
Cold cold cold cold cold! The older I get (a whopping 26) and the more injuries that require surgery I sustain, the more I hate hate hate the cold.
The downside I guess is, if I move south to go to a warmer place, then all sorts of things I don't like are there. like more insects, tornadoes, earthquakes, hurricanes...So maybe I'll just stay in PA where it's just cold.
The question I have is, the one user that had the 2 cameras fail due to "corrosion", did Canon warranty the repairs, or did they bone the user? Do you knwo what I mean? Corrosion is specifically voided from the warranty, but just curious to see what Canon did.
Canon CEO: Hope you are reading this Forum. Statistically valid or not, this experience will influence my purchasing decisions. I want to stick with Canon since I have a lot of Canon gear, but if I'm going to step up to a high end DSLR (5DII) I want confidence that I'm buying a piece of quality equipment.
Daan B wrote:
Appearantly the 5D2's are put together by half awake manufacturers... sometimes they forget to put a vital part in place as well... Nothing to do with bad luck or anything... Canon is just screwing this one up... sadly, because in potential the 5D2 is a fine camera
Heh yeah dude- the way your cams were put together, I'm not surprised that 6/26 failed. I mean... 3/3 for you weren't even functional!
RobertLynn wrote:
I don't know where you're from, but freezing is cold to me. Hell, it's 40 degrees outside in Altoona, PA right now and I'm cold.
Cold cold cold cold cold! The older I get (a whopping 26) and the more injuries that require surgery I sustain, the more I hate hate hate the cold.
The downside I guess is, if I move south to go to a warmer place, then all sorts of things I don't like are there. like more insects, tornadoes, earthquakes, hurricanes...So maybe I'll just stay in PA where it's just cold.
The question I have is, the one user that had the 2 cameras fail due to "corrosion", did Canon warranty the repairs, or did they bone the user? Do you knwo what I mean? Corrosion is specifically voided from the warranty, but just curious to see what Canon did....Show more →
Robert,
I am in California. We are real wimps when it comes to cold. People put on parksa around here when it gets below 50.
Sure freezing is cold, but Antarctica in winter approaches -100.
On the fixes. as I understand it Canon gave him two choices 1) fix the cameras but essentially void the warranty on anything related to corrosion in the future, 2) 50% off on a replacement camera. This information is from postings on the LL forums.
jerrykur wrote:
This is summer in Antarctica. The temps were near freezing, +3C to -3C. Not all that cold.
Also, the one user that had two cameras fail reported that Canon said the failure was due to corrosion in the shutter release area. How that could happen during the length of a trip is beyond me.
Now compare to the volume sold and the volume sold to FM users and the number of them reporting failures.
Yes the numbers are high, but statistically they are still anomalys until proven statistically significant.
Again, if either were anywhere near the average it would mean that either 75% or at best 25% of ALL 5D2s produced to date were duds and we are not seeing that.
RobertLynn wrote:
I don't know where you're from, but freezing is cold to me. Hell, it's 40 degrees outside in Altoona, PA right now and I'm cold.
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Freezing is subtropical to me at this time of year - haven't seen it in weeks. In fact, its currently a pleasantly warm -5C at the moment.
As for the 5D2 reliability, i'm not impressed by the idea of a 25% failure rate in cold coastal environments (as norway basically is one big cold coastal environment). My 350D/rebel XT has happily survived 3 years of rain, snow, wind and (occasionally) sun without a hiccup. I think its reasonable to expect nothing less of a camera costing 5 times as much. Maybe i should save for a 1ds2 instead.
Now compare to the volume sold and the volume sold to FM users and the number of them reporting failures.
Yes the numbers are high, but statistically they are still anomalys until proven statistically significant.
Again, if either were anywhere near the average it would mean that either 75% or at best 25% of ALL 5D2s produced to date were duds and we are not seeing that.
Ruy
How many of those 5D2's were subjected to the same conditons as those at the Antarctic? How many of those 5D2's are taking photos indoors or in nice weather? The bottom line here is that the 5D2 was a let down in a situation where such a camera should not have failed. One of the 5D2's target audiences is the landscape photographer, and if the 5D2 cannot stand up to some "non-perfect" weather, then it is far from being perfect for landscape photography.
rhorta wrote:
Again, if either were anywhere near the average it would mean that either 75% or at best 25% of ALL 5D2s produced to date were duds and we are not seeing that.
Not necessarily duds but fail in the rain when other cameras continue to operate.
What are people that shot outside in the rain experiencing? Our winter here in Northern California has been so warm (70s for weeks in January) we cannot test our cameras.
I would never go under rain without a rain cover for my camera. Cost 50$, warm up your hand and let it dry cause under the raincoat as well...
Are these guys a band of morrons ou simply innocent.. electronic and water are not good together anyway....
I would never take a chance to arm a camera just to test it...
