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p.3 #1 · Antarctica, January 2009


The colours are great and the last shot is fantastic.


Jan 26, 2009 at 05:30 PM
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p.3 #2 · Antarctica, January 2009


hodol881 wrote:
Love them. Can you explain how the last photo was taken or created ?


Sure thing. Normal shot, cropped out the sun (leaving the reflection in the water), turned 180'. Also, as an aesthetic choice, I removed one of the two larger chunks of ice from the water/sky, leaving just one, to look a bit like a meteorite/small moon.

But the real 'trick' is really just posting it upside down. Given that we were on the bottom of the globe, and that the feeling of the environment is truly otherworldly, it feels more fitting to view it that way. Not sure how justifiable that is in a realist perspective, but it really does fit my reality. =)

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Jan 26, 2009 at 05:49 PM
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p.3 #3 · Antarctica, January 2009


I'm blown away - truly - looking at the $15Kish cost of heading down there - once in a lifetime doesn't describe it for me.


Jan 26, 2009 at 06:14 PM
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p.3 #4 · Antarctica, January 2009


Some very nice images.


Jan 26, 2009 at 06:16 PM
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p.3 #5 · Antarctica, January 2009


justinvl wrote:
I'm blown away - truly - looking at the $15Kish cost of heading down there - once in a lifetime doesn't describe it for me.


It can be had cheaper, trust me. Been there
I don't mean to put anyone down; just don't be under the assumption that it's the only way to fulfill your dream.



Jan 26, 2009 at 06:18 PM
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p.3 #6 · Antarctica, January 2009


My understanding is that if you can make your way to Ushuaia, Argentina (departure port for many of the antarctic vessels), then a number of the tour companies will sell spots for half-rate (or better) on a last minute or stand-by situation.


Jan 26, 2009 at 06:26 PM
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p.3 #7 · Antarctica, January 2009


Your photography is excellent and I envy your opportunity to play in this remote place. But the last image raises a question. For some years I have developed methods to show manipulation, mainly for comparing images of valuable postage stamps where true small differences can be valuable.

Reflections are amenable to analysis. One pointer is to see how horizontal the line is, between the upright and inverted parts. In this case it is exactly horizontal to a pixel (at the resolution of the image on the screen). This means the camera was set up carefully, there was no curvature induced by the lens, some laws of perspective have to fall into place. The next analysis step is to mask the inverted portion, create an object, give it 50% transparency, transform its colours to the inverse set, flip it horizontally and vertically nudge it exactly above the upright portion. It's like putting a film neg on top of its contact print. If all is equal, they cancel out - to a uniform grey in the present case, to black in the film analogue. If either neg or pos has been changed, the difference shows at once as a colour other than the mid-grey expected.

The last image appears to be inverted, in any case. Also, the line of flare dots in the sky do not align with the sun reflection position.

When the camera is any distance above the water (in this case) the height of the hills will be different to the height in the reflection and other perspective effects will be seen, to do with vanishing points.

Now, please read this carefully as I intend no ill feeling to be conveyed. It is perfectly legitimate to make reflections in the lab. But if they are, I think it is a good practice for the maker to state so, voluntarily. I regard it a bit like giving voluntary forensic evidence in a court. In some definitions of Nature photography, manipulations are discouraged and I think in general photography a manipulation should be disclosed if it is substantial.

The image above has been through too many stages before I see it on the monitor, so I cannot be certain. Thee is some suggestive evidence, other is missing. The simplest solution is to ask the maker.

We are working here on a code of preferred practice regarding disclosure of substantially manipulated images. Some major press agencies already have codes. When photographers try to learn from the work of gifted others, it helps to know if it is a natural image or a manipulated one. It's on my mind so I'm sensitive to possible examples. I'm not singling you out, Numfar, for special comment. It is quite probable that my deductions are simply wrong.

How do others feel about disclosure of significant modification for landscape images? I do both modification and disclosure routinely.




Jan 26, 2009 at 07:08 PM
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p.3 #8 · Antarctica, January 2009


Some people will go ANYWHERE to escape a Canadian winter! Great pictures, can't wait to see more!


Jan 26, 2009 at 07:19 PM
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p.3 #9 · Antarctica, January 2009


Geoff Sherring wrote:
Your photography is excellent and I envy your opportunity to play in this remote place. But the last image raises a question. For some years I have developed methods to show manipulation, mainly for comparing images of valuable postage stamps where true small differences can be valuable.

Reflections are amenable to analysis. One pointer is to see how horizontal the line is, between the upright and inverted parts. In this case it is exactly horizontal to a pixel (at the resolution of the image on the screen). This means the camera was set up carefully, there was no curvature induced
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I don't know that I understand half of that, but if you're suggesting that I faked the reflection based on some sort of analysis, then what we've discovered is that your analysis needs work.

Already stated that I rotated the image upside down, and cloned out a large(ish) iceberg.

But come on - I'm *obviously* not going for a true representation of reality here... I mean, it's supposed to be a fantastical representation of a fantastical place - so, like, totally wrong image to build that debate around. However, that said, the reflection, it's 100 per cent real.


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Jan 26, 2009 at 08:48 PM
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p.3 #10 · Antarctica, January 2009


#2, #3, and #10 take my breath away! Excellent!


Jan 26, 2009 at 08:52 PM
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p.3 #11 · Antarctica, January 2009


My favourite is image 7, partly because it shows what so many of us have never seen. It is a beautiful image.

You are right that here is not the place to debate reflections. Thank you for the info that the reflection was 100%. It's easier to work on the original than on a small jpg and I said I could reach no conclusion. I was not being critical of you in any sense. Just trying to use this forum to exchange knowledge.

"Time" magazine did some rather naughty ones for indoctrination-type purposes and as a scientist I did not like it. Hypersensitised. So I'm going back to the start now to enjoy your images over again. It was the upper ones that caused me to study your post after skipping quite a number of others, because the images were so good.



Jan 27, 2009 at 10:42 PM
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p.3 #12 · Antarctica, January 2009


Great shots. Can you please describe the expedition a bit?
How were you days like, how was the ship, was it terrible to cross the Drake?
How many people?




Jan 27, 2009 at 11:49 PM
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p.3 #13 · Antarctica, January 2009


The expedition was organized by Michael Reichman, of Luminous Landscapes website.

It was run by Quark Expeditions, out of Ushuaia, Argentina. There were 70 of us on the expedition.

We spent two weeks on the trip, with more time needed to get into and out of Ushuaia. The ship we took was the Ocean Nova, a remarkably civilized expedition vessel (by all accounts, a fair bit nicer than the Russian icebreakers).

The two days crossing the Drake were very hard on some folks, while others were uneffected. I was fortunate to escape the effects.

We had poor weather for the first few days, including a stop at the South Shetland Islands. The decision was made to head south to escape the weather, and it turned out to be the right choice. After another day of steaming, we crossed the antarctic circle, had a pretty fun initiation ceremony (for us Polywogs) with Neptune, and within short order, the weather improved. The next few days were pretty amazing. We made a number of landings and zodiac cruises, saw amazing ice, light and many animals. We turned back north and headed through the Gullet (mentioned above). It was a rare opportunity, and utterly incredible. Words honestly can't do it justice, but suffice to say that three of the best five days of my life were experienced in very short order.





Jan 28, 2009 at 05:47 PM
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p.3 #14 · Antarctica, January 2009


These are fantastic, the b&w is by far my favorite followed by the last one. You have some really great compositions here. Nice job.

Dan Olmstead
www.compass-photo.com



Jan 28, 2009 at 06:30 PM
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p.3 #15 · Antarctica, January 2009


I don't know if I can add any more adjectives to what has already been said to describe your photographs so I'll just thank you kindly for sharing! These are wonderful.


Jan 28, 2009 at 06:56 PM
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p.3 #16 · Antarctica, January 2009


Abiciriderback wrote:
Wow what an experience how lucky are you all are just awesome but the last image is just unreal what time of day was that last image taken? Very nice work.

Ray Still


Ray - sorry, missed the question the first time through.

The image data says 1:30pm - which is close to the time it was taken. I didn't reset my cameras for local time, and to be honest, I'm not sure what local time zone we'd be in down there, but it was close to mid-day, with the sun very, very high in the sky.

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Jan 28, 2009 at 07:15 PM
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p.3 #17 · Antarctica, January 2009


Gorgeous images....all are winners. Share some more....Carolyn


Jan 28, 2009 at 07:41 PM
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p.3 #18 · Antarctica, January 2009


I've got to agree with your "upside down" interpretation... tres cool. (NPI)
THANKS so much for posting these.
-Mark



Jan 28, 2009 at 08:30 PM
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p.3 #19 · Antarctica, January 2009


Phenomenal series! Your last image is just absolutely stunning!

-Nick



Jan 29, 2009 at 06:46 PM
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p.3 #20 · Antarctica, January 2009


They are all absolutely beautiful and stunning images. The light quality and the almost eery feel of them is just perfect.

http://alterego.zenfolio.com/img/v6/p899445957-4.jpg

That photo for me is just the best though, i urge you to print that one as large as possible!

Chris



Jan 29, 2009 at 07:57 PM
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