p.3 #3 · UPDATED: advanced web sharpening for landscape photographers
Thank you Alex and Mark for sharing your expertise. Alex, isn't there a final step that is needed to blend the two layers? What blend mode are you using? Or am I missing something?
p.3 #6 · UPDATED: advanced web sharpening for landscape photographers
Mort54 wrote:
Thank you Alex and Mark for sharing your expertise. Alex, isn't there a final step that is needed to blend the two layers? What blend mode are you using? Or am I missing something?
Thanks,
Mort.
After you have the image as you want it you can just save as a jpeg without flattening, or just flatten it, its up to you
Wallybud wrote:
Thanks for that saves me having to do it all myself !!
Question though...there are land. and port. I did a land 800...worked more than fantastically but what is the difference between the two?
Sorry I should have made that clear, I actually wrote the actions just for myself and then realised they might be handy for other people.
land = landscape, land.800 means the width is limited to 800px
port = portrait, port.800 means the height is limited to 800px
p.3 #7 · UPDATED: advanced web sharpening for landscape photographers
You must be careful with an action like this though as with fast glass the sharpening will ruin the shot...I will do my own sharpening for shots with bokeh as I can then hide all and mask in the sharpening where needed...
Also the action sharpened the entire image so it makes the whole grave look sharp when it isnt suppose to be...Nothing against the action at ALL, I am truly grateful to have it however be careful how you use it
First shot I did with bokeh masked out (compare trees)
p.3 #8 · UPDATED: advanced web sharpening for landscape photographers
I'm sorry, but I do not see any real difference between the middle and the right images. Subjective I could even give an edge to the middle one.
In my opinion, Web is not the best "media" for any serious landscape representation, so does it really worth the effort going from "plain" USM 0.3 on a separate layer to some complex Actions?
I could bet that not many would tell a 400x600 web image taken with 1DsIII from one of the same size and subject taken with a "good" cell phone
Converting to LAB (for sharpening) and back to RGB is not a lossless process and may result in degradation of your image.
p.3 #9 · UPDATED: advanced web sharpening for landscape photographers
Converting to LAB (for sharpening) and back to RGB is not a lossless process and may result in degradation of your image.
I guarantee NO ONE could tell an image gone one time from rgb to lab and back again...from one just in rgb...ever?
and cell phone...comon your pushing it lol!
p.3 #10 · UPDATED: advanced web sharpening for landscape photographers
SergeyT wrote:
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I could bet that not many would tell a 400x600 web image taken with 1DsIII from one of the same size and subject taken with a "good" cell phone
p.3 #12 · UPDATED: advanced web sharpening for landscape photographers
Wallybud wrote:
You must be careful with an action like this though as with fast glass the sharpening will ruin the shot...I will do my own sharpening for shots with bokeh as I can then hide all and mask in the sharpening where needed...
You're not comparing like with like. The whole point of putting the sharpening on a separate layer is so that you can mask it, I meantioned that in my first post. You cant say "oh I put a lot more work into this method and it beat your one click method", of course it will!
SergeyT wrote:
In my opinion, Web is not the best "media" for any serious landscape representation, so does it really worth the effort going from "plain" USM 0.3 on a separate layer to some complex Actions?
The fact is, many people including me sell on the web and in that case it is very important to offer high quality images. If you have to ask if it is worth it then it probably isnt.
p.3 #13 · UPDATED: advanced web sharpening for landscape photographers
Alex Nail wrote:
This method does not really apply to printing images which require pixel dimensions greater than that of the original image because it wont acheive the same effect.
Sharpening for print is a much more complex process if you want to do it really well. It relies on veiwing distance, print size etc. Often I oversharpen my iamges for print because when veiwed from a foot or so it makes them look much crisper.
p.3 #15 · UPDATED: advanced web sharpening for landscape photographers
Alex thats not what Im saying at all...I was mearly saying that people should watch what kind of image they apply it to...and the last layer before flattening isn't that the second application of usm not the first?
p.3 #16 · UPDATED: advanced web sharpening for landscape photographers
Wallybud wrote:
Alex thats not what Im saying at all...I was mearly saying that people should watch what kind of image they apply it to...and the last layer before flattening isn't that the second application of usm not the first?
Yes that is correct although the lower layer has a much lower amount of sharpening and really shouldnt adversely effect out of focus highlights etc. I would say this method can be applied to any image, but perhaps I am biased :P
p.3 #17 · UPDATED: advanced web sharpening for landscape photographers
I have to say I was pretty skeptical when first read this thread, but I decided to see what all the raves were about, so I downloaded the actions. All I can say is I'm impressed! You're definitely on to something here...
You should put together a website to take donations, I'd gladly throw you a few bucks for putting this package together. Kudos!
Jan 16, 2009 at 10:41 PM
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p.3 #18 · UPDATED: advanced web sharpening for landscape photographers
Wallybud wrote:
Converting to LAB (for sharpening) and back to RGB is not a lossless process and may result in degradation of your image.
I guarantee NO ONE could tell an image gone one time from rgb to lab and back again...from one just in rgb...ever?
and cell phone...comon your pushing it lol!
Theoretically lossy... Dan Margulis addresses that subject head on in his Photoshop LAB color book. But yes, there is no loss!
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p.3 #19 · UPDATED: advanced web sharpening for landscape photographers
Tom K. wrote:
The elite team of photography heavyweights behind Photokit Sharpener are Martin Evening, Bruce Fraser, Seth Resnick, Andrew Rodney, Jeff Schewe and Mike Skurski. Unfortunately Bruce Fraser died a short while ago. It's the best sharpening and easiest tool I have ever used: http://www.pixelgenius.com/sharpener/
Yes, very true. Very good product. Great team.
There are two basic camps. The faster automation camp, and the slower manual control camp. Especially when it comes to sharpening, and especially, ESPECIALLY when it comes to sharpening a print, I need much more control over the sharpening process than these products and any actions produce. But I am not in the majority I know. I split hairs over the minutia of entire process. But for those who don't want to tediously master the manual mechanics of sharpening, these products are of great help obviously.
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