I'm a 20D shooter, and I have several threads going on in here about other bodies. I want 1 series AF and IQ, but I don't want to part with that many dollars to get it. Shocker, huh?
I'm starting to consider a 1DIIN, as it has a few specs that I really relish (45pt AF, 8.5FPS, weather sealed, 100% viewfinder, 1D quality)
I'd love to go full frame, but the AF of the 5DII (as reported in this forum) is not thrilling me, and I'd really like to get more FPS than the 5 that I'm currently getting from my 20D. Even if the AF "shortcomings" on the 5DII are exaggerations, I think it's been pretty clearly argued that its AF falls short of the D-series 45pt system.
I guess that the MarkIIN's primary shortcomings vs. the newest generation bodies are the lesser ISO range (100-1600 vs. 6400, 12800, 25600, whatever), DIGIC II vs. III, 2 1/2" LCD vs hi-res 3" LCDs, liveview, cleaning, a little more FPS, etc.
Here are my questions:
1.) How much of the Mark IIN's ISO range is usable?
2.) How large of a quality print can you make with the 1DIIN? (I'm probably buying an Epson 3800)
3.) Are the 8MP of the 1DIIN going to yield noticeably better images than the 8MP of the 20D (assuming no photographer error)?
4.) How does the IQ of the 1DmkIIN compare with the 1DIII / 5D?
Looks like 1DIIN's are selling here for anywhere from $1100-$1800. About how much would Canon charge to fully service a camera like this?
I think the 1D Mark II came on the scene before I switched to D-SLR. I'm not as familiar with it. I looked over the specs and it seems identical to the 1D Mark II N with the exception of the LCD (2" vs. 2.5") and the maximum burst (20 frames vs. 22).
Are there any other substantial differences between the two cameras? Same sensor, same AF, same IQ? Why so much cheaper... just because they are that much older, I assume?
The 1D Mark IIN is usable up to ISO 1600. The Mark III and 5D have better image quality and better high ISO performance. Also, the Mark II and IIN low light AF is not so hot. It will acquire corrtect AF but takes a long time.
Yo listed the major differences between the II and IIN. I believe they tweaked out of camera jpeg to be sharper on the IIN as well.
Yes, because they are older mainly.
Here are a couple of recent high ISO 1D 2N snapshots:
rachp wrote:
1. I usually kept mine on about ISO 1000 but it is very usable up to 1600.
2. I have this guy (below) printed at 13x19 but I would think you could easily go larger.
3. Yes! I went to IIN from a 20D.
4. Couldn't answer - but going off of memory from when I had the IIN the IQ was amazing when I moved from the 20D and now that I have a 5DII, I get that same amazed feeling....
Thanks very much, Rachel. The 5DII is still lurking in the back of my mind, but I'd really like faster AF and FPS. I'm sure those images are amazing though. Enjoy.
sskoutas,
Fact is that the original 1D blew away the 20D in terms of AF performance and accuracy for action shooting. So if you're wondering whether you'd be happy with the improvements you'd enjoy from a 1DIIN, the answer is: unequivocally yes! The MKIIN is a fine, fine body that (as already noted) is great up to ISO 1600, and you can get away with ISO 3200.
Here's a link to a detailed list of the features of and differences between the MKII and MKIIN. I recommend the IIN over the II.
Russ Isabella wrote:
sskoutas,
Fact is that the original 1D blew away the 20D in terms of AF performance and accuracy for action shooting. So if you're wondering whether you'd be happy with the improvements you'd enjoy from a 1DIIN, the answer is: unequivocally yes! The MKIIN is a fine, fine body that (as already noted) is great up to ISO 1600, and you can get away with ISO 3200.
Here's a link to a detailed list of the features of and differences between the MKII and MKIIN. I recommend the IIN over the II.
Russ, thanks for the detailed comparison between the II and IIN.
sskoutas..............if you don't shoot above 1250, just buy a 1D original for 5-600 bucks. Don't even bother with anything else in this world if you don't do high-iso+. Just trust me on this one, buy it, and love it.
I have the N and shoot jpegs on one card and raw on the other so in a sense, if one of your cards fails, you still have the other one....like an insurance policy. The Mark II N is a great camera and I will probably keep it for a long time.
