Hi there
some Public betas should probably be available in early January -- hopefully the 64 bit version will be available as well.
That's my last word on this topic -- but for me the Test went well and I've been very statisfied with it.
Cheers
all,
once again -- Happy new year and hope better things come soon (more gigs, less rapacious banks, new president, hopefully General Election soon in UK)
Maybe 2009 won't be as bad as the doom and gloom forcastsers say they will be --they never are (even in 1929 in the midst of the great US depression loads of people were still working "Legally" of course).
I have been using W7 for 3 days now, and can confirm all these claims. Even though it's a pirated beta I hope I never have to go back to Vista.
Regarding the Evil Empire concept. The company that claims you can't install their software on anything other than their hardware and sues a company that makes compatible hardware, sounds like an evil empire.
musclepics wrote:
And if you look at how Apple operates, it's the definition of an "evil empire". But for some reason they get away with it because of slick marketing that seems to blind people into thinking Steve Jobs has their best interests at heart (when he's probably even more money grubbing than MS ever was).
Yes, that's why Apple diehards kinda make me a little bit ill In many respects, Apple has become what everyone hated about M$ in the late 1990s. The difference is that Apple also makes some decent hardware whereas M$ was at the mercy of having to make their software work on some pretty crummy third party hardware.
Glad to hear windows 7 is living up tot he hype... I just hope it's released by the time my next computer upgrade is planned around this Fall. Meanwhile I'm sticking with XP and skipping Vista altogether.
Windows 7 is named such because they want to get away from the bad publicity of Vista. It is actually Vista that has been re-written and broken up so that it runs faster.
There is talk that it will be available between the 2nd and 3rd quarter of 2009. It has been brought forward by a whole year.
Brit-007 wrote:
Windows 7 is named such because they want to get away from the bad publicity of Vista. It is actually Vista that has been re-written and broken up so that it runs faster.
There is talk that it will be available between the 2nd and 3rd quarter of 2009. It has been brought forward by a whole year.
If the code has been re-written then it's not really "Vista". It's like saying I've got a Honda CIVIC but I'll put a BMW engine in it and still call it a "Honda Civic". Of course it'll run faster.
Vista was (and is) a dog, I agree that Windows 7 will probably be released much earlier than planned due to the "on the whole" postive reports from the early testers. It's also NOT VIsta service pack 2 BTW. Major code revisions have been done and it actually WORKS !!.
M$ have also extended the life of XP for a while which really shows how bad VISTA actually was. I think if you have XP there's no reason to "Upgrade" ?? to VISTA. Just wait for Windows 7 --should be out this year.
haijak wrote:
Regarding the Evil Empire concept. The company that claims you can't install their software on anything other than their hardware and sues a company that makes compatible hardware, sounds like an evil empire.
But consider that as far as iTunes goes, Apple has dispensed with DRM (digital rights management). That means that mp3s bought from the iTunes store can now be loaded on competing devices.
Disk space is really NOT AN ISSUE any more (apart from the issues of how to organise storing that much data and retrieving it sensibly).
Back in 1990, a boss of mine told us: "Our business is information, and information has to be recorded. Sometimes we can discard old information and can recylce the paper, other information we have to keep forever. Disk space is like copy paper--every year budget for more."
I do agree that the Mr Gates Foundataion does a lot of very good work out there -- as I previously posted "The Sinner doth repenteth".
Windows brought to us two things that were of unquestionable good to the personal computing community. Anyone remember having to learn WordStar, Lotus 1-2-3, and Harvard Graphics? Those were three programs with steep learning curves that were utterly different. Everything was utterly different, and that was holding back widespread adoption of personal computing. Bill Gates' applied the Procrustean method of forcing developers to a common look and feel that the pc community dearly needed.
Anyone remember having to purchase applications based on whether that particular application had drivers for your hardware? Gates used a heavy hand to solve that problem, but the pc community needed that problem solved. without Gates or someone else doing the same thing, we'd be where the railroads would have been 100 years ago if there had been a dozen different rail track guages.
Did he have the ideas first? No, but he was the first to start treating the pc business in a hard-nosed manner like any other business, rather than like a kid selling floppy disks out of his mother's garage.
Unlike the Rapacious and scumbag banks which planet wide are getting a TRILLION dollar cashfest out of hard pressed taxpayers like me , Mr Gates is actually putting something back into the community - ok he took loads out but at least he's putting lots back as well.
Gates always gave us a product for our money. Not nearly perfect, not as cheap as we'd like...but something and it was even useable. Our money had not just disappeared into a rabbit hole with nothing to show for it.
Windows 7 must be awesome, because the MS commercials for Vista say it's really really great, and merely misunderstood. I can't even fathom the wonders the upgrade shall bring.
Windows 7 is probably the most thorough and useful version of Windows ever. The admin tools are quite impressive. The built-in firewall appears to now fit into the category of being a "real" firewall.
Very nice... It's finally catching up to OS X and Linux.
As a Mac convert, I find it quite funny that this topic is even worthy of discussion... but why all of these repetitive Vista 7 posts on the Pro forum? Shouldn't these be filed under "Forum and Miscellaneous" or "Post-processing & Printing"?
molson wrote:
As a Mac convert, I find it quite funny that this topic is even worthy of discussion... but why all of these repetitive Vista 7 posts on the Pro forum? Shouldn't these be filed under "Forum and Miscellaneous" or "Post-processing & Printing"?
AJ Nadershahi wrote:
Windows 7 is probably the most thorough and useful version of Windows ever. The admin tools are quite impressive. The built-in firewall appears to now fit into the category of being a "real" firewall.
Very nice... It's finally catching up to OS X and Linux.
They didn't really change anything with the admin tools or the firewall.
You may mean the Control Panel, but that's merely cosmetic, and doesn't extend very deep into the detailed settings.
Look I agree absolutely that Windows 7 is excellent, I DON'T agree that Vista is terrible.
Vista is actually a fantastic OS. All but a couple of problems people have had, were due to hardware and software makers not getting their shit together in the year+ that Microsoft gave them before Vista launched.
In a couple of places W7 is a bit quicker and more resource friendly. Really only 10% or so, nothing drastically faster, that's for sure. A couple of other things were were tweaked to "appear" faster, but actually aren't. All those devices that "Surprisingly work in Windows 7" work just as well or better in Vista. If 2 years ago you tried Vista and found it two slow for your 3 year old machine. W7 will be just as slow on that computer (now 5 years old). Things that made all the performance and compatibility problems in Vista are exactly the same. The only difference is now the rest of the world caught up.
W7 Isn't "Vista but better". It's really just a gussied up Vista, with some minor tweaks. I find it surprising how many people still have such a negative view of Vista.
Hi there
I did request this thread be moved to the Forum Misc - however as it's still on this forum I'll add a reply to "The Vista is terrible" option.
Most people who USE computers haven't got time to go into the inner workings and tweak obscure settings. You just want to switch on and run your application.
Most users are happy to fiddle around with changing things like desktop backgrounds / font sizes etc or are happy running say in our case (photography --this is a photographers forum) photoshop etc.
From the start - even on a reasonable computer most people experienced horrible Disk Thrashing on Vista - for what seemed like no reason even when nothing was running the hard disk light would remain locked solid on and the computer would also be totally unuseable for several minutes at a time.
Annoying prompts every time you want to do something.
Various pieces of hardware causing unexpected freeze ups
Intel Video acceleration often not working properly giving "jerky" screen display when browsing websites with Video content.
Computer running very sluggish for most people even when the Disks weren't "Thrashing".
Various other problems. True someone could probably fix these things but most people aren't going to trawl all over the Internet to find obscure solutions to fix these.
Windows 7 just loads and executes faster straight from the start -- even on MODEST hardware --works fine even on a 1GB RAM 3 year old laptop.
The main internals are of course Windows -- why not ? It's still the CORE system. After all Linux comes in all sorts of flavours - SUSE, RED HAT, SLACK, etc etc but all these are just a user interface (GUI) built on an essentially standard Linux kernel. Linux users can use the same command line on most systems - usually it's only the package manager (software installation mechanism) that is significantly different between various Linux distributions.
Even if Windows 7 contains 90% of Vista (maybe it does or maybe it doesn't) it's that 10% difference that makes all the user difference between "barely tolerating" using a computer and actually enjoying using one.
For me I'm satisfied with W7 --if Microsoft had done this first I doubt whether apple would be in the position it has enjoyed over the last few years -- and whilst not per se "Apple Bashing" at least in Windows you can connect almost ANY type of hardware device manufactured in the known universe and generally (albeit sometimes with difficulty) get it to work. - Try connecting some "Aircraft simulator", or Oil Rig drilling feedback hardware to a Macbook. Goodluck --but Windows Laptops can (and do) connect to these sort of devices.
Most people who've tried Vista and W7 agree there's no contest W7 wins hands down in every way and remember this is only a beta.
For the first time in Donkeys years I'm actully thinking of switching my server back from Linux to Windows - this will depend on price and how the W7 final looks like.
Loved Windows 2000, quite liked Windows XP, didn't like Vista
Am awaiting in depth reviews on W7 with great interest, although in the current economic climate I won't be upgrading any PC software for the foreseeable future, except for Photoshop of course.
In many respects, Apple has become what everyone hated about M$ in the late 1990s. The difference is that Apple also makes some decent hardware whereas M$ was at the mercy of having to make their software work on some pretty crummy third party hardware. 