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Archive 2008 · Leica 560/6.8 vs Canon 400/5.6

  
 
jamesdak
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p.1 #1 · Leica 560/6.8 vs Canon 400/5.6


I bought the Leica 560/6.8 a while ago to give me added reach on days when I need the low light performance of my 5D over my cropped DSLR. While hard to use in dynamic situations I think these two images clearly show that the simple old Leica can hold it's own against the very good Canon 400/5.6L USM.

Both images shot within a minute of each other.

Canon 400/5.6:

http://www.pbase.com/jhuddle/image/107502630.jpg

Leica 560/6.8:

http://www.pbase.com/jhuddle/image/107502646.jpg

The first shot was the 400mm on my 40D, the second was the Leica on the 5D. I think they clearly indicate that the end result from both is comparable.

Here's a couple of more recent shots from the Leica. All shots taken on a grey overcast day that made lighting and focusing difficult.

http://www.pbase.com/jhuddle/image/107502665.jpg

This one was with the Leica on my 40D and paired with the Canon 1.4x t-con. A very long shot in less than steller conditions.

http://www.pbase.com/jhuddle/image/107437136.jpg

The real challenge using this big Leica will come over the next couple of months as I try to work the wintering Eagles. If I can manage some good BIF shots of them with this lense I will be very happy.



Dec 27, 2008 at 06:08 PM
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p.1 #2 · Leica 560/6.8 vs Canon 400/5.6


Thanks for posting was wondering what the longer alt lenses produced. Nice picts. So how big and heavy is this lens?


Dec 27, 2008 at 06:55 PM
jamesdak
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p.1 #3 · Leica 560/6.8 vs Canon 400/5.6


I would not call it big but I would call it long. Weight wise it is not bad at all as it is essentially a long tube with only 2 glass elements in the head. It focuses via a slide mechanism sort of like a trombone.

This is the lens shown next to me Canon 400/5.6L, both lenses have thier built-in hoods extended.

http://www.pbase.com/jhuddle/image/99919249.jpg



Dec 27, 2008 at 11:45 PM
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p.1 #4 · Leica 560/6.8 vs Canon 400/5.6


OMG!!!!




Dec 28, 2008 at 12:38 AM
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p.1 #5 · Leica 560/6.8 vs Canon 400/5.6


I almost bought one of those Telyts recently. Tempting, but not a lot of info on them. The one I saw came with a pistol grip.

Are you aware that they only have TWO elements? How odd. I'd love to know more about that design, and why it was discontinued.

Edited on Dec 29, 2008 at 04:44 AM · View previous versions



Dec 28, 2008 at 01:56 AM
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p.1 #6 · Leica 560/6.8 vs Canon 400/5.6


"Long lenses" are so-called for a reason!


Dec 28, 2008 at 05:18 AM
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p.1 #7 · Leica 560/6.8 vs Canon 400/5.6


If I remember correctly, they are in different category. The old Leica 2-element lens is 'telescope' design by which the focal length is no shorter than the actual length of the entire lens. On the other hand, Canon or later is 'telephoto' design in that the lens could be shorter than its focal length. The Leica 180/2 APO is a good example of telephoto lens. Telescope design has an advantage over telephoto in that the former is free from spherical abberation, but astigmatism and chromatic abberation (fewer element) are inevitable. Telephoto provides a much better overall performance over telescope. (better IQ from center to edge) More abberations could be corrected due to a more complex design. In fact, telephoto is the reverse of retro-fcous design on WA's. I'd say the old leica telescope and 1.6x DSLR is a very good combination for wild life photography.

ps. please correct me if I was wrong.



Dec 28, 2008 at 08:47 AM
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p.1 #8 · Leica 560/6.8 vs Canon 400/5.6


jamesdak wrote:
This is the lens shown next to my Canon 400/5.6L, both lenses have thier built-in hoods extended.


The Leica is also at minimum focus distance, which makes it longer.

The 560 has become my most-used lens on the DMR. I rarely need to use a tripod. Most of the photos below were made with the shoulder stock or shoulder stock with monopod for support.

(with shoulder stock)
http://wildlightphoto.com/birds/recurvirostridae/amav01.html

(with shoulder stock & kayak)
http://wildlightphoto.com/birds/podicipedidae/wegr00.html
http://wildlightphoto.com/birds/podicipedidae/clgr01.html
http://wildlightphoto.com/birds/anatidae/cago03.html

(with shoulder stock & monopod)
http://wildlightphoto.com/mammals/artiodactyls/dash01.html
http://wildlightphoto.com/birds/ardeidae/greg03.html
http://wildlightphoto.com/mammals/rodents/ybma03.html
http://wildlightphoto.com/birds/picidae/acwo02.html
http://wildlightphoto.com/birds/phasianidae/witu19.html
http://wildlightphoto.com/birds/corvidae/stja03.html
http://wildlightphoto.com/birds/corvidae/wsja02.html

(with tripod)
http://wildlightphoto.com/birds/parulidae/yrwa02.html

The features I like are the light weight, which makes climbing mountains with it a reasonable proposition, the quick sliding focus, excellent central detail, good bokeh and color saturation, and the exceptionally low flare.



Dec 28, 2008 at 09:15 AM
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p.1 #9 · Leica 560/6.8 vs Canon 400/5.6


Hi Everyone.
I had the 560 F6.8/sholder stock , in 1975. It was used on a SL body-and yielded outstanding results. I never felt comfortable using it on a tripod, due to the slide focusing. The Early two element versions, 400/560 were F5.6, with a much different focusing method. I recall they were indeed called long focus lenses.
Cheers
Harry



Dec 28, 2008 at 09:43 AM
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p.1 #10 · Leica 560/6.8 vs Canon 400/5.6


Most impressive. Like how you used the EF 400/5.6 as a comparison. I sometimes conclude that I do not need my 400/5.6 (at least on paper, lens list) but it is just so sharp.


Dec 28, 2008 at 10:06 AM
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p.1 #11 · Leica 560/6.8 vs Canon 400/5.6


What is the minimum focus distance of the leica lens, this is usuallly one of the shortcomings of these older simple telephoto lenses, my Pentax 500mm F4.5 was 10m......


Dec 29, 2008 at 02:30 AM
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p.1 #12 · Leica 560/6.8 vs Canon 400/5.6


I've got the Telyt 560/6.8 as a lens head for the Novoflex PiGriff C. This is a follow-focus system with two pistol grips, quite easy to use handheld with a shoulder stock once you get the hang of it. A nice feature of the Novoflex system are the interchangeable mounts and the built-in extension tube. A quick test shows a minimum focus distance of about 4 meters. Given the length of the lens this leaves you with a working distance of about 3.5 meters.




Dec 29, 2008 at 09:27 AM
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p.1 #13 · Leica 560/6.8 vs Canon 400/5.6


Brambling wrote:
What is the minimum focus distance of the leica lens, this is usuallly one of the shortcomings of these older simple telephoto lenses, my Pentax 500mm F4.5 was 10m......


With the Leica focussing mount the MFD without extension tubes is 6.4 meters. I often use a 30mm extension tube for the smaller birds.



Dec 29, 2008 at 11:01 PM





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