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Archive 2008 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?

  
 
Chrono1081
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p.1 #1 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


I never thought about this but I've never seen polarizers for bulbuous end lenses. Anyone know if they exist?


Dec 27, 2008 at 09:30 AM
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p.1 #2 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


AFAIK, a polarizer for an UWA lens wouldn't be very effective, even if it were possible to mount one. The effect of the filter would vary throughout the frame and produce a sort of "polarized vignette". But I might be wrong.


Dec 27, 2008 at 09:44 AM
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p.1 #3 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


There is a gelatin filter mount on the rear of the lens. For those that like protector filters, no can do on this lens. I am very careful with mine. The hood is built in so that is some protection.

Gil



Dec 27, 2008 at 09:46 AM
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p.1 #4 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


Gil_W wrote:
There is a gelatin filter mount on the rear of the lens.


You're refering to color or perhaps (G)ND filters, not a polarizer.



Dec 27, 2008 at 10:45 AM
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p.1 #5 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


rvdw wrote:
You're refering to color or perhaps (G)ND filters, not a polarizer.


Yes color and ND but you can put polarizing gels or thin polarizing plastics sheet (for photography) in there also. I have also used IR gels.



Dec 27, 2008 at 11:08 AM
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p.1 #6 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


Gil_W wrote:
Yes color and ND but you can put polarizing gels or thin polarizing plastics sheet (for photography) in there also. I have also used IR gels.


Interesting, I never heard of those before. How would you align such a sheet like you do a conventional polarizer by rotating its ring?



Dec 28, 2008 at 06:37 AM
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p.1 #7 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


Chrono1081 wrote:
I never thought about this but I've never seen polarizers for bulbuous end lenses. Anyone know if they exist?


Why would you want one?



Dec 28, 2008 at 09:21 AM
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p.1 #8 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


rvdw wrote:
Interesting, I never heard of those before. How would you align such a sheet like you do a conventional polarizer by rotating its ring?



You just cut a piece of the sheet to fit into the back of the lens it is not a cpol.



Dec 28, 2008 at 09:49 AM
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p.1 #9 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


You should not need one really. There are systems with gels available, IMO, not a particularly practical solution.


Dec 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM
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p.1 #10 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


I was just looking for a way to cut down on water reflection with an ultrawide. Thank you for the suggestions guys


Dec 28, 2008 at 12:35 PM
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p.1 #11 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


I would suggest software polarizer, Nik Software Color Efex Pro - great Photoshop plug-in set with polarizer as one of them.
Modern digital photography in most cases doesn't benefit from optical filters, especially if your target is website photos.



Dec 28, 2008 at 01:41 PM
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p.1 #12 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


Polarizer is one of the few filters that cannot really be duplicated in software.

EBH



Dec 28, 2008 at 01:44 PM
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p.1 #13 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


EB-1 wrote:
Polarizer is one of the few filters that cannot really be duplicated in software.

EBH


Exactly. Water reflection being a good one. And there are more filters that render a unique effect: PS can't render a 30 second exposure in broad sunlight; a 10-stop ND can...



Dec 28, 2008 at 02:05 PM
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p.1 #14 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


EB-1 wrote:
Polarizer is one of the few filters that cannot really be duplicated in software.

EBH



Are you sure? Try this software first (Nik Software Color Efex Pro), for my web site photos needs it is perfect. For large prints - I dont know since dont do much.
Besides you will get much more than CPL, optical filters mostly lost of money in digital photography than results.



Dec 30, 2008 at 02:29 PM
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p.1 #15 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


Emile Gregoire wrote:
Exactly. Water reflection being a good one. And there are more filters that render a unique effect: PS can't render a 30 second exposure in broad sunlight; a 10-stop ND can...



That means to me - you dont know modern software much ...



Dec 30, 2008 at 02:31 PM
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p.1 #16 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


Breitling65 wrote:
That means to me - you dont know modern software much ...



I don't think you could get quite the same affects of an ND or pol filter with moving water. True, you can try to fake the smoothed ND water effect, but hard to beat the real thing. Also, to be able to see through the glare on water to see fish, rocks etc would be hard for software to replicate.
I know software can do fake bokeh, tilt shift, soft focus, IR, NDs, star effects, etc,..but just not quite the same as the real thing to my eyes. (star affect is nice though : ) )



Dec 30, 2008 at 02:45 PM
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p.1 #17 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


EB-1 wrote:
Polarizer is one of the few filters that cannot really be duplicated in software.

EBH


Emile Gregoire wrote:
Exactly. Water reflection being a good one. And there are more filters that render a unique effect: PS can't render a 30 second exposure in broad sunlight; a 10-stop ND can...


Breitling65 wrote:
That means to me - you dont know modern software much ...



It also means you don't understand much about the fundamentals of light and how filters interact and control it for photography...

In very simple terms, and as already stated, a software based polarizer will not reveal objects hidden behind a reflection. A digital graduated or ND filter will not restore or pull image detail that is blown out due to saturation limits of the imaging chip.




Dec 30, 2008 at 03:01 PM
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p.1 #18 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


polarizer, varicolours, NDs. graduated NDs, star-cross, IR are the filters that can't be done digitally...


Dec 30, 2008 at 10:53 PM
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p.1 #19 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


It also means you don't understand much about the fundamentals of light and how filters interact and control it for photography...

I guess you didn't understeand me correct, I said not much effect on digital photography, I didn't say no effect. For example UV(0) filter provides nothing as optical effect and used only as protection. But it works on film body well.
Software CPL does job I need for my shots exactly same as my optical, unless you need something else from CPL, something I don't use.


In very simple terms, and as already stated, a software based polarizer will not reveal objects hidden behind a reflection.



I didn't say it will but is this only why you need CPL? No magic in real world and everything having limitations. But if I need to cut reflections or implement CPL rotation - I don't have to spend > $100 for useless to me filter.




Jan 02, 2009 at 10:21 PM
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p.1 #20 · Is there a polarizer for the 14mm 2.8L II?


joezasada wrote:
polarizer, varicolours, NDs. graduated NDs, star-cross, IR are the filters that can't be done digitally...



Again - did you tried this software?



Jan 02, 2009 at 10:24 PM
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