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p.1 #1 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


After spending time on FM over the past year I realize I have much to learn, so please be patient. This is probably a basic question, but I am not clear on the answer and have not found it in the many threads I have read regarding comparisons of these two lenses. I understand the low light advantage if shooting at f/2.8, but what if any advantages does a f/2.8 lens have over the f/4 lens if you are shooting at f/4 or higher? In low light, can the IS make up for the f/4 with longer exposure compared to the f/2.8. I am deciding between these two lenses. My top priority is image quality. The reach of the 24-105 as a walk around is appealing, but the sense I get from reading threads is that the 24-70 produces better images in the same hands. I currently have the 40D with the kit lens(28-135 f/3.5-5.6), a 70-200 f/2.8L IS, and want to upgrade from the kit lens. Photographic interests at this point center around family, sports, travel and landscape.
Any input is appreaciated.

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Dec 09, 2008 at 08:55 PM
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p.1 #2 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


24-70.


Dec 09, 2008 at 08:59 PM
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p.1 #3 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


24-70 for pure image quality.

24-105 for travel/walk around and convenience.



Dec 09, 2008 at 09:01 PM
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p.1 #4 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


I find that the image quality of 24-105 is pretty good, the xtra range is great and IS is a lifesaver on many occasions.


Dec 09, 2008 at 09:07 PM
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p.1 #5 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


The 24-70L will have faster and more accurate autofocus than the 24-105L when you're shooting both at f/4, because the 24-70L autofocus is still accomplished at f/2.8 - it doesn't stop down to f/4 until you actually take the shot (or push the DOF button). The image quality of the 24-70L is better than the 24-105L. I use mine in about the same ways as Numfar describes.


Dec 09, 2008 at 09:17 PM
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p.1 #6 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


you look more professional with 24-70..


Dec 09, 2008 at 09:18 PM
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p.1 #7 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


I've had both and I didn't find anything to set the two apart in terms of IQ. The choice comes down to the faster aperature , or the longer range and IS.


Dec 09, 2008 at 09:34 PM
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p.1 #8 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


The reviews and comparisons I have seen seem to indicate the 17-55 2.8 IS have slightly better image quality than the 24-70, if image quality is your primary concern.


Dec 09, 2008 at 09:36 PM
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p.1 #9 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


I have the 24-105 and find it extremely versatile and it produces excellent image quality. I often make prints up to 17x22 with images from that lens and my 5D. I don't own a 24-70 but have used one and found it too heavy and the shorter range limiting. I also didn't see any difference in image quality.

If you really want a 24-70, Sigma has announced a redesigned 24-70 with HSM which will probably sell for around $500. It may be very good, as some of their lenses are.



Dec 09, 2008 at 10:14 PM
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p.1 #10 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


As mentioned, when AF'ing with a sensor that is more sensitive at f/2.8 (i.e. the center sensor) then the 24-70 will have faster and more accurate focus in tough lighting. Under the right conditions, the 2.8 lens can achieve AF and the f/4 cannot - but obviously that occurs in a narrow range of really bad light/low contrast subjects.

IS cannot stop subject motion, but can allow for much slower shutter speeds (relative to a non-IS lens) on static subjects. For example on a dance floor 1/[email protected] may be fast enough to freeze motion, but 1/40@4 has visible blur. When shooting in a museum at 50mm, 1/8@4 with an IS lens is handholdable but 1/[email protected] is probably not. So depending on the subject the f/4 IS works better whereas for others the f/2.8 non-IS is more likely to get the shot.

That's what makes the 17-55IS so compelling - it meets both criteria.

I for one love my 24-70, but am looking to add the 24-105 as well.



Dec 09, 2008 at 10:21 PM
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p.1 #11 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


I love my 24-70mm, but since I added the 24-105mm to my collection, the 24-70mm is in long-term loan to a friend.

For the image quality, although my 24-70mm is a good copy, but I cant see the difference between the 24-70mm and 24-105mm. Both are excellent.

If you shoot portraits or wedding most of the time, 24-70mm would be good for you. For walk around and traveling, 24-105mm is the best.



Dec 09, 2008 at 10:33 PM
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p.1 #12 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


If image quality is your only concern, go for the 24-70. It has less distortion and less vignetting than the 24-105. In addition, the lens hood is a lot more effective and the autofocus should in theory be more precise although I've never had any cause for complaint about 24-105 autofocus. (I am using a 1-series body though which may mask any problems with f/4 AF.)

That said, I just sold my 24-70 and kept my 24-105. It is simply a more practical lens, IS saves the day more often than f/2.8 does and if I need f/2.8 I usually need even more than that and it is time to mount a prime. If the 24-70 had had IS, I'd have gotten rid of the 24-105 instead, but it doesn't so I didn't.

Chalk me up as one of the many who would really like a 24-70 f/2.8L IS



Dec 09, 2008 at 10:35 PM
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p.1 #13 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


ask TJ Asher; he loves this question
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17-55IS w/ a cropper



Dec 09, 2008 at 11:14 PM
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p.1 #14 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


If you have a 40D and want to upgrade from the kit lens and are not likely to get full frame within the next year then dont compromise, get the 17-55 f/2.8 IS That way you get f/2.8 AND IS. Also 24mm isnt that wide on a crop camera, 17mm is wider.


Dec 10, 2008 at 04:36 AM
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p.1 #15 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


Just thought I'd try doing a search for "24-70 24-105" - over thirty threads!

Rick if your top priority is image quality (as you say), then buy a few fast primes instead. If you want all round practical - 24-105, if you want nice AF and bokeh 24-70.

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Dec 10, 2008 at 05:01 AM
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p.1 #16 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


Rick Ethuen wrote:
After spending time on FM over the past year I realize I have much to learn, so please be patient. This is probably a basic question, but I am not clear on the answer and have not found it in the many threads I have read regarding comparisons of these two lenses. I understand the low light advantage if shooting at f/2.8, but what if any advantages does a f/2.8 lens have over the f/4 lens if you are shooting at f/4 or higher? In low light, can the IS make up for the f/4 with longer exposure comparedp priority is image quality. The reach of the 24-105 as a walk around is appealing, but the sense I get from reading threads is that the 24-70 produces better images in the same hands. I currently have the 40D with the kit lens(28-135 f/3.5-5.6), a 70-200 f/2.8L IS, and want to upgrade from the kit lens. Photographic interests at this point center around family, sports, travel and landscape.
Any input is appreaciated.
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In all truth, it doesn't really matter. Pick one you're happy with and spend more time shooting than thinking about which to buy. Both are great lenses and as long as you do your part, are capable of good image quality.

To specifically answer your question:

In low light, can the IS make up for the f/4 with longer exposure compared to the f/2.8.
There's two answers to this - the answer of which depends on what you are photographing. If your subject(s) are still (such as buildings, columns, inanimate objects etc) than IS would be more suitable, as you wouldn't be as concerned with human movement. In this case, IS, with it's 3+ stop advantage can achieve the equivalent exposure as a f/1.4 lens (3 stops greater than f/4).

However, if you are photographing live subjects who move and breath, then you're most likely better off with a the f/2.8 lens, which allows you to shoot with twice the ambient light. The reason being that human subjects can and do move and cause motion blur, and the IS advantage simply will not help you with this. 1/60th is about as slow as you can hold and still get reasonably sharp images of humans being fairly inactive. You may be able to get away with 1/40th or 1/30th or even slower if they are absolutely still and "freeze" for you to take their picture, but I would not count on that. There's always some person that will not stay still (and if you're like me and photograph weddings, kids etc, you'll likely find a faster shutter speed to be easier to work with). If in doubt, use a higher shutter speed, larger aperture, and boost your ISO.

Much of the actual differences between the two lenses can be bridged with correct use of flash. If you're photographing groups, you may not want to use f/2.8 anyway due to its shallower depth of field, and may in fact stick with 1/60th, f/4 or f/5.6. In this case, it woudn't really matter which lens you use to create the image.

The human movement at 1/60th idea can also be broken with flash as well - if your background is lit with ambient and your flash only falls on your subject, you may be able to use a much slower shutter speed, as your flash will freeze your subjects quickly.

So, like I said before, it doesn't really matter lens you use. Pick one you're happy with and spend more time shooting and thinking about shooting than thinking about which to buy. Both are great lenses and as long as you do your part, are capable of good image quality.


Dec 10, 2008 at 05:06 AM
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p.1 #17 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


24-105 L !Some people say about it that at the tele end it's a little soft.I think that in most situations it's about user error(a lot of owners are using it on X0D bodies and in this situation 105mm become 170mm;at this focal range you have to hold your camera really tight!).IT IS incredible versatyle,practically you have almost all focal range that you need for indoor photo.Colors are incredible,it is really SHARP and pretty light.YOU SHOULD CHOOSE THIS ONE!


Dec 10, 2008 at 06:30 AM
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p.1 #18 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


35mm 1.4.




(srsly, I sold my 24-105 because I prefer the DOF flexibility of the 2.8 on the 24-70. I just use my legs if I want to get the image a bit bigger).



Dec 10, 2008 at 08:30 AM
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p.1 #19 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


Do not take at face value those who say the 24-70 will autofocus faster and more accurately because it is f/2.8 rather than f/4. There is far more involved in the speed and accuracy of AF than widest available aperture. For example, both of my f/4 lenses (24-105 and 70-200) focus faster than, and as accurately as, all of my faster lenses (50/1.2, 50/1.8, 85/1.2, 100/2.8, Tamron 28-75/2.8). I've used both the 24-70 and 24-105. AF with the 24-105 is as accurate and fast as AF with the 24-70. IQ between the two lenses is also very, very similar. What you should consider in making your decision is (1) IS versus f/2.8, (2) range, and (3) size and weight.


Dec 10, 2008 at 09:33 AM
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p.1 #20 · 24-105 f/4L IS vs. 24-70 f/2.8L


Galibier wrote:
Do not take at face value those who say the 24-70 will autofocus faster and more accurately because it is f/2.8 rather than f/4. There is far more involved in the speed and accuracy of AF than widest available aperture. For example, both of my f/4 lenses (24-105 and 70-200) focus faster than, and as accurately as, all of my faster lenses (50/1.2, 50/1.8, 85/1.2, 100/2.8, Tamron 28-75/2.8). I've used both the 24-70 and 24-105. AF with the 24-105 is as accurate and fast as AF with the 24-70. IQ between the two lenses is also very, very similar. What
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So are you saying that having cross sensors which are improved for f/2.8 or faster lenses is a waste of time?

A faster lens will not necessarily focus faster, but it should allow the AF sensor to be put into a mode which is better under certain cicrumstances.

The downside is that the bigger aperture has a smaller dof and therefore misuse or lens/AF defects will show - some people may also think an image appears out of focus since if they look in the wrong areas (i.e. those that are not within the accurately focussed dof).



Dec 10, 2008 at 09:49 AM
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