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p.1 #1 · Model Brandi


A couple of months ago my stylist and MUA Mallory Glenn worked an event where she met model Brandi. Several weeks later, Brandi contacted me for a shoot, and when I called Mallory to book her, she was very excited, saying she thought Brandi would be amazing for some beauty work, and possibly some editorial (rare in this town).

The shoot went quite long last night, and we had to work quite a lot to get results, as Brandi isn't very experienced in modelling, and she hasn't been given much training. By the end of the evening, however, she was doing much better, and actually could do better on her own, just moving, than with our direction.

Anyway, this is the first shot from the series.


http://fc58.deviantart.com/fs39/f/2008/332/9/c/9c643706a7217d7c174aebe24075485b.jpg

Model: Brandi Roy
Hair/Makeup: Mallory Glenn
Photography: Brent McCombs/AlterEgo Photography
Location: Studio 5409 Halifax



Nov 27, 2008 at 12:28 PM
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p.1 #2 · Model Brandi


looks like a great shot. however I must note that the black bar on the right hand side is quite distracting.

love the pose/eyes.



Nov 27, 2008 at 12:30 PM
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p.1 #3 · Model Brandi


Hello,

Is this an "unretouched" photo?

IF not, would you post the "before" shot as well?

I won't see it for about 24 hours while I travel, but would be interested to see the "before and after" when I return to the forum.

Why do I ask?
Simply to help you if I can. However, I need to know the answer to the first question at top of this post.

happy thanksgiving.



Nov 27, 2008 at 01:31 PM
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p.1 #4 · Model Brandi


Nice face...whack hairdo.


Nov 27, 2008 at 01:33 PM
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p.1 #5 · Model Brandi


almost looks like you erroneously set the shutter speed too high for the flash sync

(although I am sure that isn't the case)

stunning except for the blackness

greg



Nov 27, 2008 at 01:43 PM
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p.1 #6 · Model Brandi


beauty! not sure about the black on the edge but i'm sure you knew that was a risk and matter of personal taste. hang on to the stylist/mua....very skilled.


Nov 27, 2008 at 02:53 PM
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p.1 #7 · Model Brandi


Hey Steady - I really hate posting 'before' shots (not for any reason, just I don't like how they look, and showing off how bad my original lighting is..heh), but I can tell you that there is *no* (repeat NO) skin softening done here - a total rarity for me.

Whatcha looking for? Eyes too bright (I have a tendacy to do that, and here I pushed them 25 per cent, so that might be it..) Talk to me, and I'll think about posting the 'before' shot, and see if I can talk myself into it.

Edited on Nov 27, 2008 at 04:12 PM · View previous versions



Nov 27, 2008 at 04:08 PM
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p.1 #8 · Model Brandi


Oh, regarding the black line - this beauty set up was a personal indulgence done quickly at the tail end of an editorial set For the full length editorial shots, we had a while seamless pulled and an 8 foot black card set to give a black/white background to the model. She could also work the 'wall' that the card made. I'll post a shot if I get one done to show better what we did, but it's just in the background. I seriousy considered removing it, but fell on the side of kind of liking it as I'm reading it as a barrier to the eye leaving the frame, plus it's a bit of a play on the anglular hair style. Anyway, it's certainly stylized, which I figure looks a bit editorial. Heh.

B



Nov 27, 2008 at 04:12 PM
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p.1 #9 · Model Brandi


No reason to post a before.

Nice shot.



Nov 27, 2008 at 04:59 PM
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p.1 #10 · Model Brandi


The black line is what bothers me in this one. The eye goes right to it, and I see no way it "fits" in the shot. How does the eye rationalize what that is?

The slight overexposure of the red channel gives some whiteness to the brow and parts of the nose and there is a slight shadow on the right eye (from the hair loop). These are minor points. The rest of the portrait looks very bold and beautiful.



Nov 27, 2008 at 05:21 PM
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p.1 #11 · Model Brandi


the black line bothers me, but i can't wait to see what you have to show in the rest of this series!


Nov 27, 2008 at 07:47 PM
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p.1 #12 · Model Brandi


She's gorgeous and you did a great job! Beautiful light, beautiful makeup!

The black on the right doesn't bother me, I actually like that it does kind of a mirroring of the shadow on her arm...

Daschund



Nov 27, 2008 at 10:14 PM
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p.1 #13 · Model Brandi


hi.



I asked if this was an "un-retouched" image, because I assumed it was either:

1. A "raw" shot without any retouching and that explains the black shape on the right side of the image.

Or...

2. A "retouched" shot that has odd shadows on the face and shoulder...and neglected to finish the job and left the black shape on the right side of image.

Without seeing the "before" I can only "guess" at what was "natural" before the "retouch" (since it appears from your answer you did do some retouch).

I hate to "guess" at things like this.

But...my eye is drawn to a couple of parts of the woman that seem "off" or "odd" to my "eye." I am not talking about her physical characteristics or her body or her face shape or her "beauty." I am not talking about the black shape on the right side of image either (though that does look "odd" and out of place to me in a finished image).

So...I suppose that leaves me guessing...and leaves you guessing too.

Post the "before" shot and I will tell you what I see.

Otherwise, if this image is satisfactory to you "as it is shown" (and I must assume it does satisfy you as "finished") then...my observations will be moot.

Oh...and about that black shape on the right. I think it is a mistake to include it as it looks like a "mistake" in the shot.

I hope these comments help you.




Nov 27, 2008 at 10:51 PM
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p.1 #14 · Model Brandi


Thanks Steady - I'll definately take a look at the shadows and see what I can find.

And I hope that over the past few years I've shown that I will take criticism well, and often do respond with both a) and explanation of why things are like they are; and b) an effort to address the concerns/issues by going back over the image.

Sometimes when opinion seems split on an issue I'll fall on the side of 'liking it as is', but by and large, when opinion is overwhelming on something, I'm keen to accept the weight of input and make a change.

That said, for one of the first times on here, I'm going to greatfully accept the criticism, but stick with my original decision to keep the black, even given what I acknowledge as 'looking like an error' to photographers. I'm doing this, partly against my judgement as a photographer ('cause when someone mentioned a fast shutter speed, I immediately saw that too!). But using the other side of my brain (not a big side - not a big brain) - the artsy side - I'm going to keep the black. I do think that graphically it adds to the elongation of the neck, and ultimately bounces the eye back into the frame. Heck, I know I may be wrong, but at least it looks a bit different. If the model mentions it, I'll take it out for her, but in my book, the black bar error/graphic element is going to remain.

I do very much appreciate the feedback, however, and hope that not taking it on occasion isn't seen too much as stuborness.

I'm just saving a file from the editorial set we did just before the above shot, and I'll post it when I have it done - probably about 30 seconds, so the motivation for the background can at least be seen.

B



Nov 27, 2008 at 11:11 PM
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p.1 #15 · Model Brandi


Numfar wrote:
Thanks Steady - I'll definately take a look at the shadows and see what I can find.

And I hope that over the past few years I've shown that I will take criticism well, and often do respond with both a) and explanation of why things are like they are; and b) an effort to address the concerns/issues by going back over the image.

Sometimes when opinion seems split on an issue I'll fall on the side of 'liking it as is', but by and large, when opinion is overwhelming on something, I'm keen to accept the weight of input and
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You have always impressed me here as a balanced and nice photographer. So, I will give you some "opinions" to consider. I offer them in a truly friendly tone of voice in order to help you. My "help" may be simply to reinforce your own decision, even though my comments may seem "opposed" to your decision.

I am of the opinion that generally we all either:

A. build our own staircase to the stars/top/best/heights/improvement

or...

B. Dig our own holes.

So...who is to know which way the "black bar" is going to take you. Whatever your decision is....make it YOUR decision and you will have no one else to blame but yourself...or no one else to challenge but yourself...or no one else to thank but yourself.

In short, follow your muse.

But, if this was one of my own shots, I would see the "black bar" as a mistake and evidence of sloppy work on the set and inattentiveness to details. But...that is just how I "see it."

Despite how "I see it" I can offer this advice: Don't let anyone else prevent you from expressing your own creativity. Try what you like. Try again. That there are "differences" of opinion is OK and perhaps a "good thing."

IF you can like a decision despite someone else having a different opinion (like mine stated above), it will make you feel better or stronger or more confident about your own creative direction. Just remember at all times, it is YOUR direction and YOUR decisions will take you down YOUR path.

Now...If I were the "buyer" (say an ad agency art director), I would question your logic on the choice of including the black bar in "my" photo I commissioned for "my" ad in "my" ad campaign for "my client" and for "my book." In fact, I would insist you fix the image or not pay for it. Or...I would have my own graphic artist cut the black bar off.

So...you can have a range of "opinions" and still I come back to my general belief that IF you want to express your own creative ideas, you will have to risk presenting ideas that others may not like and may criticize. That is just "part of the process."

I hope what I have written is taken as "encouragement" to follow your own instincts/gut/muse/ideas even if they do appear "misguided" "in error" or "wrong" to any number of people.



Nov 27, 2008 at 11:33 PM
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p.1 #16 · Model Brandi


The set we were shooting on - and look we were going for, can be seen in this thread:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/712226

For the shot in this post, I just pulled her forward and reset the beauty dish right at the end of the night, as I thought the hair and makeup warranted a beauty shot. That nefarious black bar in the portrait above is an 8 foot tall black posterboard thing we had set up to give us the look in the full length shot.



Nov 27, 2008 at 11:34 PM





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