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p.1 #1 · Spend my Lens Budget!


Hi
New to these boards - very impressed with expertise and friendly posters who reside here!

Just found out that I will be getting a present of a 5D Mk2. Very excited about what looks like a terrific piece of kit and need help buying some new lens...

I am definitely an amateur - I have been using a 20D with kit lens for the past few years and enjoy shooting candid portraits, landscapes and architecture. I'm looking forward to learning and experimenting more - particularly with low light scenarios.

I want to spend $1600 - $2200 on a few lenses and would appreciate some help as to what I should buy. From web research the 70-200mm f/4.0 L IS USM looks interesting and I'll probably buy this one. I might also try a cheap 50 prime which leaves the place for wide angle - but I'm unsure as to which one I should get.

Any thoughts/suggestions on this line up?

Also I need advice on PS v Aperture. I'm new to this software so I'll be learning from scratch. I have imac, mac pro and G5.

Thanks in advance for any guidance!





Nov 21, 2008 at 06:55 AM
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p.1 #2 · Spend my Lens Budget!


If you remain happy with F4.0 you might consider the 24-105 first. You can buy it as a kit lens with the camera for a discount.


Nov 21, 2008 at 07:03 AM
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If you're looking to shoot in low light, I find my 70-200 f/4 doesn't quite cut it. Unbelievable sharpness, great price, wonderful lens all round, but the slow aperture is very limiting in low light. Outdoors or with ample light, its a joy to use though.

In terms of Post Processing, have you considered Lightroom? It's a happy medium between PS and Aperture (in my opinion), and allows you to get good results with minimal effort, as well as letting you get a bit more involved and technical when you feel like it. I have all 3, and use LR for most of my batch processing when there's no heavy editing/processing involved, PS for more complex stuff (cloning, detailed editing, etc.), and use Aperture as a photo library.

Hope that helps!



Nov 21, 2008 at 07:07 AM
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p.1 #4 · Spend my Lens Budget!


Paul, welcome to FM. The 70-200/4L IS is a great choice. You probably have enough room in your budget for a 24/2.8 and 35/2, in addition to a fast 50 - I'd get the 50/1.4.


Nov 21, 2008 at 07:14 AM
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Hi,

Given your budget, my recommendation would be to get the 17-40 f/4L for landscape and architecture, the 85mm f/1.8 for your candid portraits and then either the 24-105 f/4L IS or the 70-200 f/4L IS depending on whether you would prefer a walk around lens or a little more reach. I hope this helps.



Nov 21, 2008 at 07:49 AM
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p.1 #6 · Spend my Lens Budget!


Based on the title of your post: Do you want to mail me a check or send it to my Google Checkout?


Nov 21, 2008 at 08:32 AM
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It may soak up your budget and not many people use the Canon 28 - 300 mm L / IS. It is an extremely versatile lens and cover all that you need until you learn what subjects you will concentrate on.

After this lens then I recommend that you add prime L lenses as you learn what you need.



Nov 21, 2008 at 08:38 AM
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asparkes wrote:
Based on the title of your post: Do you want to mail me a check or send it to my Google Checkout?


You're assuming that there'll be a bank still standing by the time my check arrives...!



Nov 21, 2008 at 08:41 AM
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-135mm f/2.0L ($750-$800 used, here)
-50mm f/1.4 ($300 used, here)
-35mm f/1.4 ($900 used, here)
-24mm f/2.8 Olympus Zuiko *manual focus ($130-$170 used, ebay)

total: $2,080 - $2,170

That would give you fast lenses from 24mm to 135mm, which is the primary space most people shoot within. If you have a more specialized type of shooting (macro, tele/birding/filed sports/surfing, etc) my suggestions should be ignored... and you should mention what those preferences are so we can give you advice.

My suggestions cover landscape shooting at multiple focal lengths, as well as street shooting, as well as low light shooting, as well as portraiture, and many other forms. Going to primes-- which people debate; this is just my opinion-- helps the photographer plan out his shooting more, learn to think before pushing down the shutter.

Also, buying used, well-respected primes, is an almost zero risk proposition because they can all be resold at the same price you purchased them for if you find you prefer zooms or another focal length. In fact, given price increases, those of us who bought used more than a few months ago can probably make a small profit off of reselling our gear (or at least cover transaction/shipping costs to break even).

I pretty much shoot with the gear I mentioned above, though I use the 24mm and 35mm the most. But, some ideas about changing the setup for different types of shooting:

Swap 135L for Sigma Macro 150mm f/2.8 (~$500): If you're into macro, and don't need the fast focusing speed of the 135L, this is a great option, saves you money, and gives you macro while maintaining a tele portrait lens.

Swap 50 1.4 + 135L for 85 f/1.8 ($300, used) and 200 f/2.8L ($500-$600 used): If you want something longer than 50 and 135 (35mm and 50mm are pretty close, so you would probably be fine bumping those up to longer FLs). The 135L and 200 f/2.8 have similar qualities, but different focal lengths.

Swap 135L for 70-200 f/4 NON-is: If you want a zoom. Sharp, but not fast. Bigger, white lens (blech).

Swap Olympus 24mm + 50 f/1.4 for 17-40 f/4L: if you want a zoom or you want ultra-wide. Not fast, but covers range. Keep the 35L for speed.

I hope that helps. It covers a lot of ground. The best part about buying good quality, used, canon lenses is that the resell value holds so well that it's a low risk plan.

Russ




Nov 21, 2008 at 08:47 AM
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Hi Paul,

I went through this a few years ago and first bought the 70-200 f4 (non is version). It was a great little lens but I borrowed a 70-200 f2.8 and that was that!. Sold the F4 and would not go back. That extra stop can make all the difference especially in the crap light we get in this country.

The problem is that this will blow you budget, but, I have found from experience that you are better off buying the 1 lens you really want and holding off on the rest rather than compromising - you generally will end up selling the compromise lens later

Gerry





Nov 21, 2008 at 08:47 AM
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It really depends on your style. If you want wide performance, get:
16-35 2.8L
50 1.4
85 1.8 / 100 2.0

If you want to have something in the middle-tele of the range, get:
24-70
50 1.4
135 2.0



Nov 21, 2008 at 09:01 AM
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The 17-40 or a used Sigma 15-30 seem to fit your lens choices and budget.

But at a point you may find the a you want a walking around lens that goes from wide to long. I have the 24-105 but may have been better off with the 24-70.

Like you I use the 70-200 range a lot and really like the 70-200 f4 IS. It's much nicer to carry than the 2.8 version and makes very prime-like images. So if that's the one lens you know you really want it's a great place to spend most of your budget.




Nov 21, 2008 at 09:51 AM
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17-40L, 50/1.8 and 100/2. The 17-40L will be good for wide landscapes and architecture, the 50 and 100 make a great candid/portrait pair. You'll still have $1000 in reserve for anything else you find you need.

For software, Aperture is a great fast working tool, but there are still enough reasons that you will need PS... so I'd just get PS.



Nov 21, 2008 at 10:06 AM
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Maybe have to stretch the budget a little, but I would get the 24-70L and 70-200 2.8IS, both used.


Nov 21, 2008 at 03:16 PM
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p.1 #15 · Spend my Lens Budget!


What do you shoot?

For maximum flexibility, I'd agree with bmannon above and get the 24-200 range covered with some of the finest L zooms that canon makes. Or ditch the 24-70 and pick up a 17-40L or 16-35L if you prefer wider coverage.



Nov 21, 2008 at 03:19 PM
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On a budget, I'd look at the following (not sure of US prices these days, so don't flame me!)

Wide: 17-40L
General purpose zoom: Tamron 28-75.
Longer prime: 100/2 or 135L (rather than 85/1.8, given a FF body)
Zoom: 70-200/4L IS.

Stuart



Nov 21, 2008 at 04:40 PM
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p.1 #17 · Spend my Lens Budget!


Stuart Bell wrote:
On a budget, I'd look at the following (not sure of US prices these days, so don't flame me!)

Wide: 17-40L
General purpose zoom: Tamron 28-75.
Longer prime: 100/2 or 135L (rather than 85/1.8, given a FF body)
Zoom: 70-200/4L IS.

Stuart


Not a bad plan, though I find 85mm on FF to be the best FL for portraits...ymmv. Another question...do you need every FL covered all in one shot? In other words if you like to shoot in low light it may be worth while to invest a bit more money in fast(er) glass (i.e. 16-35, 24-70, 70-200/2.8IS etc) rather than splurging on everything at once, no matter how enticed you are to do so. A good plan might be to stick with a 24-70 along with an 85/1.8 and a 135/2 or as bmannon suggests a 24-70+70-200/2.8IS combo--assuming flexibility within your budget. Remember f/4 can only let you experiment so far in low light conditions and if that's where you want to bring your photography f/4 may not be the best thing to spend your money on.



Nov 21, 2008 at 04:56 PM
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As people have mentioned, its difficult to recommend lenses when you havent really mentioned what your shooting style/preferences are. I mean that in the context of focal length. Do you like to shoot tight or wide?

No one has addressed your selection of photographic processing software, which I will take a stab at.

I do not own a Mac, and have not used Aperture, but have heard many positives on it. Adobe PS is the Mac Daddy of them all, but is grotesquely expensive, and would chew a huge amount out of your lens budget. I would recommend Adobe Lightroom, as it is a true workflow program, at a very reasonable price.

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Nov 21, 2008 at 05:01 PM
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Anyway you can upgrade the present to a 5DMK2 + 24-105 kit? That would give you a great starting setup. Add the 70-200 f4 and you should be set until you expand your horizons.

With regard to the software I would consider the Adobe products. Lightroom 2 is very nice & quick.



Nov 21, 2008 at 05:32 PM
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with 21 mp and fullframe you probably dont want to skimp in the lens category. i wouldnt do anything other then L glass. you'll probably only be able to get 2 good lenses with that money used if youre lucky. if i was you i would spend a little more either way and get 2 nice lens. if you like primes get a used 35 1.4L and 85 1.2L II, if you like zooms get 24-70 2.8L and the 70-200 2.8L


Nov 21, 2008 at 07:37 PM
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