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p.2 #1 · Ranger RX AS or Profoto AcuteB?


bka20d wrote:
now it i only didn't have to run over to each to adjust the power!!!!



With the Ranger and Skyport RX, you wouldn't have to!



Nov 21, 2008 at 08:30 PM
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p.2 #2 · Ranger RX AS or Profoto AcuteB?


Daan B wrote:
c.d.embrey wrote:
1.It is part of the Profoto family, so it has the most versatile modifier mount around. And it shares with Elinchrom the best umbrella mount.

On of the things that is defintely better with the Profoto's is the design of the mount. The Elinchrom mount is a bit flimsy IMHO. Other than that, I have seen Profoto head to Elinchrom modifier adapters, but I haven't seen them the other way around...

2.BTW Lighting styles also make a difference as Carmen noted. I never try to overpower the Sun. And I mainly use silver reflectors, no shoot through umbrellas or soft
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Here are a few photos that will help answer some of your questions.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/cdembrey/IMG_9441-mod-6x4.jpg
This is a dyno room at an engine R&D company. Here's the set-up ISO 200, 10mm, f 5.6. The AcuteB is set at 2/10 stop over 75ws. The strobe is without any reflector and is pointed straight up, it's a little hard to see but it really is at top of stand . I'm using the entire room as a light source.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/cdembrey/IMG_9465-modcrop-5x4.jpg
This is the shot, f 4.5, 17mm. Pack set same as first shot. Note how room acts as a soft source, but there is crispness from the bare tube. This is one of a series of photos I'm doing for promotional us by the engineering company (ads, catalogs, etc).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/cdembrey/IMG_9492-modcrop-5x4.jpg
Her's the set-up, Speedotron 20" reflector modified to Profoto mount. Pack set at 9ws, about 2-3' from disc brake.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/cdembrey/IMG_9522-modcrop-6x4.jpg
I'm also using an Elinchrom deflector in the Speedotron 20" reflector
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/cdembrey/IMG_9513-modcrop-5x4.jpg
Here's the shot. This is just a demo to show you what 9ws can do in a silver reflector. f 4.5 at 17mm. If I were doing this for real the set-up and lens would be different.



Nov 22, 2008 at 03:53 AM
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p.2 #3 · Ranger RX AS or Profoto AcuteB?


c.d.embrey, thanks for posting this... really helpful

I can see that when working up-close (with reflectors) or using large reflectors the AcuteB is able to deliver at very low power levels. You are really getting the most out of the unit when shooting at half power or less. I mean, recycle times are shorter, you get more shots and the lower you go in power the faster the flash duration becomes. The latter point is kind of a mystery to me, because usually the shortest flash duration is at highest power

I still wonder what situations are too challenging for the AcuteB... Maybe with more distance to the subject or with large softboxes/umbrellas attached?

I found these numbers on the Profoto website:
AcuteB output, 2 meters/6-7ft (@ head settings)

Magnum @ 2 = f/64.2 -----> when overpowering the sun at sunny 16 you get +4 stops lattitude
Zoom @ 4 = f/32.2 -------> when overpowering the sun at sunny 16 you get +2 stops lattitude
Umbrella @ 7 = f/16.2 ---> when overpowering the sun at sunny 16, you are out of power

I guess the AcuteB isn't the most flexible option to overpower the sun... When using reflectors and/or sticking to the subject it will work. But go beyond 2 meters and/or use umbrella/softboxes, maybe overpowering the sun is too much to ask for the AcuteB.

Did you ever came across a situation where the AcuteB didn't cut it?

BTW Is that the modelling light showing in image #3?



Nov 22, 2008 at 05:21 AM
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p.2 #4 · Ranger RX AS or Profoto AcuteB?


The AcuteB's modeling light is nearly non-existent. I'm pretty certain that's the actual flash pop you're seeing above.

My biggest complaints with the AcuteB are the battery life and limited output. I'm getting maybe 175 pops at close to full power. And being out on location, whether indoors or out, I find that I'm generally using the pack set to between half and full power, often running out of headroom. It's not just about competing with daylight (which I'm frequently doing) but it could be lighting up a wider area from 10' away with an octa or off a large reflector panel while needing a smaller aperture. What the AcuteB gives you in flexibility of logistics it often takes away in flexibility of lighting style. 600w/s can run out really quickly.



Nov 22, 2008 at 09:41 AM
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p.2 #5 · Ranger RX AS or Profoto AcuteB?


Daan B wrote:
c.d.embrey, thanks for posting this... really helpful

I can see that when working up-close (with reflectors) or using large reflectors the AcuteB is able to deliver at very low power levels. You are really getting the most out of the unit when shooting at half power or less. I mean, recycle times are shorter, you get more shots and the lower you go in power the faster the flash duration becomes. The latter point is kind of a mystery to me, because usually the shortest flash duration is at highest power


With a pack system (not monoblock) the shortest flash duration is at the low end.

I still wonder what situations are too challenging for the AcuteB... Maybe with more distance to the subject or with large softboxes/umbrellas attached?

I guess the AcuteB isn't the most flexible option to overpower the sun... When using reflectors and/or sticking to the subject it will work. But go beyond 2 meters and/or use umbrella/softboxes, maybe overpowering the sun is too much to ask for the AcuteB.

Did you ever came across a situation where the AcuteB didn't cut it?


The AcuteB is new to me, just got it a couple of weeks ago. But I've been using a D4 1200 pack, that also goes down to 9ws, for quite a while. So I have an idea of how the modifiers I like will work with the AcuteB. The shots I posted to "Show us your setup! " https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/687870 using the Mola Mantti could have been done with the AcuteB (don't remember exact setting, but less than 500ws).

I'm doing a video shoot this afternoon. I'll take the AcuteB with me and shoot some outdoor full figure test shots for you. Will post them later in the evening.

As shatterkiss has said, the AcuteB won't do everything, but for what I do (mostly hard light) it will do a lot.

BTW Is that the modelling light showing in image #3?


No, that is the flash going off. I lowered the contrast using Canon's DPP 3.5.1 so you could see a little more of the scene.

BTW all photos were converted using DPP 3.5.1. All I did was to use the lens correction and CA filters. The exposure and color are straight out of the camera, no tweaking, no PS.

BTW2 I own the AcuteB and a few oddball modifiers, all the rest (like the D4) I rent as needed. If I need a Ranger, Porty, 7B or a B2, I'll rent them.



Nov 22, 2008 at 09:48 AM
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p.2 #6 · Ranger RX AS or Profoto AcuteB?


c.d.embrey wrote:
With a pack system (not monoblock) the shortest flash duration is at the low end.


Mystery solved

I'm doing a video shoot this afternoon. I'll take the AcuteB with me and shoot some outdoor full figure test shots for you. Will post them later in the evening.

I am looking forward to it

As shatterkiss has said, the AcuteB won't do everything, but for what I do (mostly hard light) it will do a lot.

Yeah, I will use a one strobe set-up mostly for up-close portraiture... Head shots by using clamshell lighting (BD on top, reflector under) or with a (large) softbox on the side as key and a reflector for fill. Full body shots with (large) softbox or reflector. For the full body shots the light is somewhat further away from the subject. So, as long as the AcuteB is able to perform under these circumstances I will be happy...



Nov 22, 2008 at 11:57 AM
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p.2 #7 · Ranger RX AS or Profoto AcuteB?


shatterkiss wrote:
The AcuteB's modeling light is nearly non-existent. I'm pretty certain that's the actual flash pop you're seeing above.

My biggest complaints with the AcuteB are the battery life and limited output. I'm getting maybe 175 pops at close to full power. And being out on location, whether indoors or out, I find that I'm generally using the pack set to between half and full power, often running out of headroom. It's not just about competing with daylight (which I'm frequently doing) but it could be lighting up a wider area from 10' away with an octa or off a large reflector
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i agree with you regarding the battery life....i bought an extra battery and always take it along.... people considering the unit should remember that use of the modeling light will shorten battery life. often, i have to make a decision when i am getting ready to shoot whether the tool of choice is the b2 or one or both acutes. there is no question that you have greater power options with the 1200w/s unit...as much as i love the acute b's, if i was limited to or considering only one pack, i would opt for the more powerful unit: you can always dial an 1100-1200 w/s pack down to 600w/s.....



Nov 22, 2008 at 02:55 PM
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p.2 #8 · Ranger RX AS or Profoto AcuteB?


Daan wrote:

c.d.embrey wrote:

I'm doing a video shoot this afternoon. I'll take the AcuteB with me and shoot some outdoor full figure test shots for you. Will post them later in the evening.

I am looking forward to it


I barrowed a Magnum reflector and a Acute Ringflash from a friend and the day was overcast, so no test shots Sorry, maybe next weekend.



Nov 22, 2008 at 10:14 PM
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p.2 #9 · Ranger RX AS or Profoto AcuteB?


c.d.embrey wrote:
I barrowed a Magnum reflector and a Acute Ringflash from a friend and the day was overcast, so no test shots Sorry, maybe next weekend.


Don't worry about it



Nov 23, 2008 at 03:26 AM
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