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jcolwell
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p.3 #1 · is Photoshop ruinning an art?


Enable doesn't mean guarrantee.

Merriam-Webster: Enable 1 a: to provide with the means or opportunity <training that enables people to earn a living>

In most cases, my artistic contribution is during the process of taking the photo. I use photoshop to correct exposure, crop, sharpen, and so on. On the other hand, PS enables new types of artistic expression, as well as simplifying others, like multiple exposures for example.

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Oct 04, 2008 at 08:35 AM
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p.3 #2 · is Photoshop ruinning an art?


jcolwell wrote:
Enable doesn't mean guarrantee.

Merriam-Webster: Enable 1 a: to provide with the means or opportunity <training that enables people to earn a living>


what's your point?



Oct 04, 2008 at 08:40 AM
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p.3 #3 · is Photoshop ruinning an art?


rhorta wrote:
Art, or skill?

Ruy


There is no art without skill.



Oct 04, 2008 at 08:43 AM
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p.3 #4 · is Photoshop ruinning an art?


dhphoto wrote:
what's your point?


I just edited my posting.

I agree that talent will shine through, but PS skills will enable the talented photographer (who is so inclined) to use image manipulation to explore new artistic realms that weren't easy or practical with film photography. I rarely explore those realms myself, but many do, and it's their skills with PS (and other apps) that enable this.



Oct 04, 2008 at 08:45 AM
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p.3 #5 · is Photoshop ruinning an art?


I agree with Dan1. The only REAL photoshop art I can do is when you start with a blank white page and playing with brushes & paint tools to create an artwork. If it's any composite work, I will tell people that it's manipulated. I'm contemplating on removing Photoshop out of my resume since a lot of manipulations that have been done by a few photojournalists to distort or exaggerate the truth.


Oct 04, 2008 at 08:52 AM
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p.3 #6 · is Photoshop ruinning an art?


Chris Fawkes wrote:
There is no art without skill.

+1



Oct 04, 2008 at 09:21 AM
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p.3 #7 · is Photoshop ruinning an art?


Some of the most famous film art photographers/artists used doge and burn techniques in the dark room. ever heard of retouching?


Oct 04, 2008 at 09:26 AM
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In fact the opposite, it has created a new artform... But remember, Photoshop techniques like saturation, dodging and burning, "greyscale conversion", contrast, cropping, splicing, "layers" etc, were all tweaks imparted on film images long, long before Photoshop.

Chris M
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Oct 04, 2008 at 09:28 AM
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p.3 #9 · is Photoshop ruinning an art?


digitalbug30d wrote:
not dissing the talent or skill but the Integrity of Photography losing out little by little


You are a little late to be worrying about this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottingley_Fairies



Oct 04, 2008 at 09:29 AM
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p.3 #10 · is Photoshop ruinning an art?


Using photoshop just makes it easier to accomplish what once required hours in the darkroom with a bunch of dangerous chemicals. Progress is wonderful.
Of course there are other uses for it beyond just trying to bring the image back to what the human eye can capture, but that just adds a whole new spectrum of possibilites and creates whole new outlets for creativity.
Maybe it's not photograhy any more at some point, but so what?



Oct 04, 2008 at 09:30 AM
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digitalbug30d wrote:
yeah I know wrong forum but this is where most hang out...and I bored and have another
potential flaming session coming up with the next Question and comments...so here it goes
.

I know the rules, and choose to ignore them. So since most people hang out here (I'd argue that people photo has the most people hanging out), we should post all threads here?



Oct 04, 2008 at 09:40 AM
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p.3 #12 · is Photoshop ruinning an art?


Go back to shooting film then.


Oct 04, 2008 at 10:35 AM
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p.3 #13 · is Photoshop ruinning an art?


Yes, Photoshop and Adobe Camera Raw have RUINED photography! They have ruined the massive limitations imposed on us by massively inferior processes!

So, as far as I am concerned, power and control, and overcoming substantial limitations is an AWESOME thing which has the potential of bringing (and is bringing) a new level of sheer quality to the viewer.

The flip side is sometimes abuse. Obviously, a double edged sword.

But the good out weighs the bad period! I would never, ever, ever go back to those aforementioned massive limitations.



Oct 04, 2008 at 11:30 AM
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This is the digital age and we are just going from the old darkroom to the new. Film to CF and SD. We try sometimes to get our images to look like it was film and people even talk about film like qualities. So we are in an era of transition. Dodge and burn in the darkroom or Lightroom, same effect same result.
If you are a digital artist and have mastered PS, all the power to you. Most paint and pencil artists probably feel a lot stronger about their art being infringed upon by PS then we do. They have more of an argument I believe then film photographers, but a
lot of them will never except photography as an art anyway.
Some will believe PS is ruining photography but a majority will saying it is advancing photography through a new age.

Gil






Oct 04, 2008 at 12:14 PM
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p.3 #15 · is Photoshop ruinning an art?


The essence of any work of art is the artists personal vision. Whatever means he selects to express this vision is, by and large, irrelevant. Only the imagemaker himself can judge how true the image is to his vision. People may love it or hate it, be inspired or repulsed, or may simply just not get it. If it's art, I simply do not think it matters if the photographer used photshop or a camera obscura. However,if it is scientific investigation or journalism a stricter standard must apply because,photoshop has made it all to easy for photographs to lie. I think that National Geo Photography, while frequently breathtaking,probably falls under the catagorey of journalsim and or illustration. It is artfully done,but I'm not certain that it is art. It may be, but the definition of what art is, has become so nebulous that it is impossible to distinguish art from non art.


Oct 05, 2008 at 08:27 PM
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digitalbug30d wrote:
yeah I know wrong forum but this is where most hang out...and I bored and have another
potential flaming session coming up with the next Question and comments...so here it goes

Has photoshop ruined photography as we used to know it? not talking about IQ aspects but asthstetic aspects of a Image,when you shoot with film the parimeters you have are the camera,lens, film itself,the paper..and what can be achieved in the darkroom of which have very limited experiance so cant comment more on that...now with a DSLR and a really good computer you can do many things to an image to
...Show more\

Where have you been? Do you have any inking of what can be done in a traditional darkroom? Photography as "we" now it? Hmmmmm...it seems you have some catching up to do. BTW the word is "parameters"



Oct 05, 2008 at 08:39 PM
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p.3 #17 · is Photoshop ruinning an art?


SUBJECT TITLE= "Is PS Ruining ART"
My view:
I use "art" to be synonymous with "photography" for this post but includes whatever form it can take;
On the other hand, art is such a large part of our everyday lives, we hardly even stop to think about it. Look at at almost anything you see. Someone designed it. It is art. Does the modern woodworking tools used make an piece of wood art any less a piece of art than "hand hewing" it with an old fasioned planer? All functional design, well done, is art. So, you could say art is something that is both functional and (hopefully) aesthetically pleasing to our eyes.
I would venture that art is in a constant state of change, so nobody can really pin down what it is. The only "consistency" in art(and since the poster's title is photography as art)constant change part is a "given."
Art is subjective, and means something different to every single person on earth and even more so on FM.
Art is in essence "opinion"! Form your own opinions and be sure to sprinkle them in your criticism and or crtiique of a thread,image, composition....
Art is form and content.
Art is form and content means: All art consists of at least these these two things.
Form means (1) the elements of art, (2) the principles of design and (3) the actual, physical materials that the artist has used. PHOTOSHOP is one of hundred methods....Form, in this context, is concrete and fairly easily described - no matter which piece of art is under scrutiny.
I quote from my Art History studies days:
Suppose you've written: "One half of all art is form. Here is how Goya's The Shootings of May Third, 1808 fits in." You would then go on to provide details about how Goya used color, value, space and line (elements of art). He used balance, contrast, emphasis and proportion (principles of design). He composed the aforementioned elements and principles on canvas, using brushes and oil paints (the physical part of "form")." Thus the use of Photoshop don't you think??

It doesn't take much of a leap in imagination, though, to understand that the concepts behind "form" could be applied to any piece of art, created anywhere on earth, at any time, using any language AND ANY TOOL.

Content, now, gets a little more tricky. "Content" is idea-based and means (1) what the artist meant to portray, (2) what the artist actually did portray and (3) how we react, as individuals, to both the intended and actual messages.
Additionally, "content" includes ways in which a work was influenced at the time it was created. All of these factors, together, make up the "content" side of art ala photography.
Photography is an art of form and content, as well as interpretation by both the creator and viewer. You can certainly think of some great examples using works of art that you know and/or enjoy.
Here on FM, the posted compositions transport both the creator and viewer to a "higher" plane. It gives creative expression to life via an image. It stimulates the senses. It is an exchange between the composer and viewer.
PS is a "tool" and without tools I beieve there is no art!
Dan



Oct 06, 2008 at 09:05 AM
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p.3 #18 · is Photoshop ruinning an art?


Photoshop is not destroying an art but it may be creating more competition for those "old schoolers". From an artist's persepctive, it opens new possibilities never before possible. It allows a photographer to see differently, and produce their vision without the experience and problems associated with wet darkroom and or overpainting of a photograph.

I applaud those "old schoolers" that still stick with traditional photographic vision and processing. Masters can create art using photographic techniques and photoshop while other masters continue to use traditional techniques.

Because art becomes "easier" does not diminish the vision.



Oct 07, 2008 at 10:05 AM
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