I'm living in a time warp with my Kodak SLR/c and SLR/n. I shoot all pics at the base ISO of 160, or LESS. I could care less about high ISO performance. More megapixels with an AA filter doesn't tempt me.
htbyron wrote:
Hmmm, I'm hoping somebody on Board55 will pick up a 5DII so we can see how it performs with alt glass (for those interested in catering to my needs, I'm particularly interested in using it with my CZ 35-70, OM 50/1.2, and OM 24/2.8...).
Seriously, I have been contemplating a move to full frame for a couple of years. (Come December, I will have had my 20D for 4 years.) I've thought about picking up a used 5D, and I still might do that because the prices are getting pretty attractive. But I was holding out because I see some (potential) advantages to live view and 14-bit raw files; 21MP is definitely a draw -- it would give ample room for cropping, even though I don't usually print large. AF should be substantially better than my 20D (even the 5D would be an improvement, I think), but it doesn't matter that much because I focus manually most of the time. Video is intriguing -- by no means essential or even a primary draw, but something I would be interested to play with a bit to see if it overs creative potential.
I won't be buying one until after the new year -- wait for the early adopters to beta test, Adobe to add the camera to a Lightroom incremental update, and prices to come down just that first bit. But I'd like to get one before May, when I will be going to Chile, including Patagonia and the fjords. As I say, I may yet be convinced to pick up a 5D instead, but for now the specs of the new camera have me very interested......Show more →
If you send me your 50 1.2, I'll test it come november :P
Jokes aside, I'm wondering how my rokkor will do on the 5d mkII, how the CZJ 135 3.5 will do, how my (non-alternative) 24 1.4 will do etc.. Will I have to shave mirror, do i WANT to shave mirror? Etc
I will. (Actually, I have, decided to preorder while the Aus dollar is strong).
It has:
1) Self cleaning sensor - huge for me. The no. 1 feature. This is primarily a travel camera, and it's a pain to carry fluid and swabs while travelling. I know it's not foolproof, but it will be better than I'm used to by miles.
2) Video - I was considering buying a (very) cheap video cam. No longer. Didn't see this coming, either. This seems like I might even be able to make vaguely credible moving images, something I have missed since I moved on from the film industry 5 or so years ago.
3) Liveview. Not for quick shooting, but will help.
4) Extra MP. Not for printing or resolution (I don't need 21 MP for prints), but a good 35 @ 21MP can also be used as a decent 50 @ 12MP. So primes become zooms (kind of) if you can train yourself not to be limited by what you see in the viewfinder.
5) Hopefully, it has everything I need to STOP thinking about gear for the next 5 years and learn some of the things a gear fetish leads you away from. I think it does.
As a tradeoff, I'm seriously considering getting rid of all but 4 or so lenses. Which ones, I'll decide when I see how they respond to this kind of resolution.
brainiac wrote:
I have been using one on a 1Ds3. A stop or two down it's sensational. It has a lot more sharpness than a 5D can show.
Quick question: Do the rokkor interfere with the 1ds mark III mirror?
And a question for all you guys: do you think that used 1ds mark III's will drop down to 4000-5000 in the overseeable future? or am I too optimistic in hoping this?
No probs with rokkor and 1ds3 mirror, BUT my rok doesn't focus to infinity, so take it with a pinch of salt. I haven't heard of anyone having problems with 1 series. The 5D2 is another matter, and if I were the fellow at Canon taking this decision, I would make the mirror extend out to the very limit to try to get some of us mean b*s**rds to buy more Canon glass.
My 1Ds3 is for sale AND ALL OFFERS WILL BE CONSIDERED, although I'm in the UK so Americans probably can't afford me. I will be moving to a pair of 5D2's. I never get wet, and I don't need 5 fps and the admittedly superb ruggedness, so it makes sense to up/down/cross-grade.
I'm in norway, but i suspect that you might be a bit high for me too :P New 5d mkII prices are about 4000 USD / 2200 GBP here in Norway, so I don't know where to put my money.. I DO get wet, but I don't know if I often get THAT wet.. I don't need the fps, but ruggedness and better AF would be nice..
Send me $3500 +/- PP, etc and I'll send you my 1DS2... :>
All kidding aside, that 5D2 price is just nasty. With clean used 1Ds3s (in NA) going for $5600.....Just need to find a NA seller willing to get creative on the custom docs.
The 5D2 pricing is nasty? My impression is the 5D Mk II is TERRIFIC value. I paid $3,200 for my 3-year-old 5D. The 5D II has close to 40 new additions/changes to it's specifications, and features like the new 21mp sensor, Digic IV, 14-bit converter, real high-def 3" screen, HD video, self-cleaning sensor, partial weather sealing, expanded ISO range with a 2-stop noise advantage (approx) are all HUGE improvements IMHO. Obviously our standards and value systems are very different! The MSRP is or was lower than the D700 and IMO there is no contest between the D700 and the 5D II. For me, the 5D II wins hands-down.
BTW the 2" screen on the 1Ds2 is just pathetic (worse than the 5D) .... and it has no self-cleaning sensor! And in terms of IQ, the 1Ds2 is no match for the 1Ds3 .... and I believe the 5D II is even better, thanks to the new "reduced microlens gap" sensor, Digic IV, 14-bit converter, etc.
Conner999 wrote:
Send me $3500 +/- PP, etc and I'll send you my 1DS2... :>
All kidding aside, that 5D2 price is just nasty. With clean used 1Ds3s (in NA) going for $5600.....Just need to find a NA seller willing to get creative on the custom docs.
bobbytan wrote:
The MSRP is or was lower than the D700 and IMO there is no contest between the D700 and the 5D II. For me, the 5D II wins hands-down.
I fail to understand how you can put down the Nikon D700 when the 5D Mk II isn't even in the market yet.
More megapixels is obvious. So is the video capability. Something the Nikon D700 just does not provide for. But other than that, what exactly do you have to go on to make the comparison ?
Typical canon fanboy talk here ?
It's based on what I have read in the previews, specs, and images posted with the pre-production model. I am also predicting that the D800 will probably surpass the 5D II. That is how it goes with advancement in technology. Canon and Nikon will keep leap-frogging each other.
pascal03 wrote:
I fail to understand how you can put down the Nikon D700 when the 5D Mk II isn't even in the market yet.
More megapixels is obvious. So is the video capability. Something the Nikon D700 just does not provide for. But other than that, what exactly do you have to go on to make the comparison ?
Typical canon fanboy talk here ?
We differ on opinions re: the 1Ds2, but was referring to pricing in Norway -....
bobbytan wrote:
The 5D2 pricing is nasty? My impression is the 5D Mk II is TERRIFIC value. I paid $3,200 for my 3-year-old 5D. The 5D II has close to 40 new additions/changes to it's specifications, and features like the new 21mp sensor, Digic IV, 14-bit converter, real high-def 3" screen, HD video, self-cleaning sensor, partial weather sealing, expanded ISO range with a 2-stop noise advantage (approx) are all HUGE improvements IMHO. Obviously our standards and value systems are very different! The MSRP is or was lower than the D700 and IMO there is no contest between the D700 and the 5D II. For me, the 5D II wins hands-down.
BTW the 2" screen on the 1Ds2 is just pathetic (worse than the 5D) .... and it has no self-cleaning sensor! And in terms of IQ, the 1Ds2 is no match for the 1Ds3 .... and I believe the 5D II is even better, thanks to the new "reduced microlens gap" sensor, Digic IV, 14-bit converter, etc.
bobbytan wrote:
It's based on what I have read in the previews, specs, and images posted with the pre-production model. I am also predicting that the D800 will probably surpass the 5D II. That is how it goes with advancement in technology. Canon and Nikon will keep leap-frogging each other.
Well it took Nikon nearly 3 years to get a competative product out to the 5D and it certainly is isn't a leapfrog.Canon's response was to push up the MP limit by quite a significant degree that few people were expecting. I'm not totaly convinced that Nikon is going to respond with a rival full frame sensor body anytime soon let alone 'leapfrog' it. The problem with 5DII vs D700( or whatever) is that you cannot take the body on it's own merits and it has to be concidered as part of a system and that's the point of myy post. No Matter how good the 5D body is it's no use unless it has the lenses that I use to exploit it and being an architectural and interiors photographer ( mainly) it simply does not.
