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Archive 2008 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?

  
 
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p.1 #1 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


My D700 hasn't arrived yet. I'm wondering approximately how many RAW files I can save on a 16GB card?

I did a search but didn't find what I was looking for.

Thanks,

Dennis



Sep 19, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Howard Passman
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p.1 #2 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


About 400 with FX lenses. More than double that with DX lenses.

Have a great weekend

Howard



Sep 19, 2008 at 01:01 PM
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p.1 #3 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


I get around 500 on my D700 for an 8GB. Keep in mind that it can fluctuate.


Sep 19, 2008 at 01:01 PM
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p.1 #4 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


Do you guys shoot RAW exclusively?


Sep 19, 2008 at 01:20 PM
Howard Passman
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p.1 #5 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


Oh man, I forgot...I shoot uncompressed RAW.. I get less than those who shoot compressed.

Howard



Sep 19, 2008 at 01:32 PM
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p.1 #6 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


why do you bother w/ uncompressed raw vs. lossless compressed raw?


Sep 19, 2008 at 01:37 PM
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p.1 #7 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


Since it's roughly the same number of pixels, you should get roughly the same number of shots as a D300 does. I shoot lossless compressed 12-bit RAW, and I usually get 75-90 shots per gigabyte (average of almost 90, but sometimes less). So I end up getting almost 700 shots on average into an 8GB card, and I'd expect you to get 1,300 to 1,400 from a 16GB card.

The number of shots remaining indicated by the camera assumes uncompressed files as a worst case, so it should show about 600 shots remaining when the card is fresh and newly-inserted. But you'll actually get more than double that.



Sep 19, 2008 at 01:50 PM
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p.1 #8 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


Having plenty of cards no a days is important especially on paid events. I got around 500 raw and jpg combined or so on my 8gb card.

howie

p.s. i think this post has been hijacked by howie's.



Sep 19, 2008 at 04:14 PM
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p.1 #9 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


dennisgibson wrote:
Do you guys shoot RAW exclusively?


Yes. Getting JPGs in the computer takes barely seconds and is an automated task, so I see no need to get both file formats at once. Some people have deadlines or other issues that force them to do JPGs, but I'm not one of them. My suggestion would be to use RAW exclusively unless you have a good strong reason to need JPGs.



Sep 19, 2008 at 06:37 PM
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p.1 #10 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


Old habit, new camera. Until I'm sure about the images, I'm sticking with what I know works :-) Cards aren't hard to come by.

Howard




Sep 19, 2008 at 09:53 PM
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p.1 #11 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


Howard Passman wrote:
About 400 with FX lenses. More than double that with DX lenses.

Have a great weekend

Howard



really thats it? I get 390 on a 4 gig card



Sep 19, 2008 at 10:29 PM
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p.1 #12 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


Yep, with FX lenses I get 403 shooting uncompressed RAW on a 8GB card.

Of course the actual number depends on the subject matter.

Howard



Sep 19, 2008 at 10:37 PM
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p.1 #13 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


Howard Passman wrote:
Yep, with FX lenses I get 403 shooting uncompressed RAW on a 8GB card.

Of course the actual number depends on the subject matter.

Howard



thats weird.

but then again i shoot compressed. never noticed a difference between the two...



Sep 19, 2008 at 11:14 PM
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p.1 #14 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


Don't forget that compressed RAW is described as "virtually" lossless. Probably doesn't matter, but then again neither does the having to switch cards after 400 shots. I rarely shoot many more than that at a time andmost of the time many, many less.

When I get more time and the inclination, I'll look at the difference.

Howard



Sep 19, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Rodolfo Paiz
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p.1 #15 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


That "virtually lossless" bit is factually incorrect. Nikon uses "lossless" in the correct sense of the word... zero loss. Here's some support for that:

1. D300 User Manual, p. 58: Lossless compressed files are created "...using a reversible algorithm, reducing file size by about 20-40% percent [sic] with no effect on image quality." In contrast, compressed files use "...a non-reversible algorithm, reducing file size by about 40-55% percent [sic] with almost no effect on image quality." Underlined emphasis is mine.

2. Nikon UK Tech Support Website*: Lossless compressed "...uses a compression algorithm that is reversible. This means that the images are compressed to save space on the card but the type of compression used can be reversed so that the image is restored to it's [sic] full quality when opened." On the other hand, compressed "...also compresses the data to reduce it's [sic] size on the card but this method uses a non reversible algorithm. Therefore data that has been removed from the image can not be restored later."

* Couldn't format the URL correctly in a link, so here's the whole thing:

http://nikoneurope-en.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nikoneurope_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=23015&p_created=1189514473&p_sid=ut79mjej&p_accessibility=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MTImcF9wcm9kcz0xOSw0NDgmcF9jYXRzPTI0MSZwX3B2PTIuNDQ4JnBfY3Y9MS4yNDEmcF9wYWdlPTEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD0ibG9zc2xlc3MgY29tcHJlc3NlZCI*&p_li=&p_topview=1



Sep 20, 2008 at 01:23 AM
Howard Passman
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p.1 #16 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


Rodolfo,

Well this is like any debate. You and I can site examples supporting each of our opinions all day. So, just to hold up my side of this, here's my first and last salvo :-)
http://www.completedigitalphotography.com/?p=489#more-489
One thing I will debate is any information given by Nikon support. The answer you get from them totally depends on the day and the person you speak to. So since I'm not an expert and memory is cheap and negatives are priceless (well maybe not mine) then I prefer to be conservative.

Have a great weekend,

Howard



Sep 20, 2008 at 06:22 AM
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p.1 #17 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


Oh shoot, I can't stand it. Just for fun I searched RAW on Nikon's own site in the Knowlege Base and guess what? Under the description for "Compressed NEF"

"Visually lossless compression method used for NEF in D70 and other Nikon products that support NEF compression"

Nikon always talks out of both sides of their mouth.

The complete link :http://support.nikontech.com/cgi-bin/nikonusa.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=538&p_created=1041260685&p_sid=xU3uskej&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MTQzLDE0MyZwX3Byb2RzPTAmcF9jYXRzPTAmcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PWNvbXByZXNzZWQgcmF3&p_li=&p_topview=1

Howard



Sep 20, 2008 at 06:28 AM
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p.1 #18 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


here is a bit more info.

http://regex.info/blog/photo-tech/nef-compression/

keep in mind that on the upper end cameras, there is compressed lossy and compressed lossless flavors of RAW.



Sep 20, 2008 at 06:44 AM
Rodolfo Paiz
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p.1 #19 · D700, how many RAW files on a 16GB card?


Howard, the links and content you posted all referred to "Compressed NEF" which I also mentioned. There is no doubt in anyone's mind that "Compressed NEF" uses a lossy algorithm. Mind you, that algorithm's pretty good, and I've seen tests showing that very little image data is lost. But it's definitely lossy.

My point was that there is "Compressed NEF" and "Lossless Compressed NEF" and they are two different animals. And "Lossless Compressed" is, well, lossless.



Sep 20, 2008 at 12:03 PM





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