ulrikft wrote:
For the record, I work 250 hours each month I'm not in school :P and i work 60-120 hours those months I am in school. so the only things I actually do is read, work, workout and shoot :P
brainiac wrote:
no no. in what language language? bit is noun noun not not adjective adjective. piece piece does does not not mean mean piece piece of of a a piece piece. at at least least, not not in in English English. ;-)
well i reckon' you ain't never been to these here parts where a tad bit is a wee little bit less than a bit you hear?
anyway it's in pretty wide and regular usage everywhere in the US I have been too (which is nearly every state). Granted there are lot of things in regular usage here that are not exactly correct though. .But this seems to be evolving into dual adjective/noun usage. In fact, it is destined evolution.
anyway, the rules of grammar make no logical sense and are always changing.
i prefer studying the rules of math myself.
come back to me in the year two-thouuuusannnnnnnd and then we'll see what it's destined evolution is.
Brendan Rouse wrote:
Got a new 5D here in Brisbane real cheap with a grip thrown in for free.
They are clearing all their 5D stock and not ordering any more.
I couldn't see the upgrade as worth the extra money
I'm checking prices on various websites pretty regularly to see how much they do come down, as I think I'd be very happy with a 5D MkI. Not sure what I'd do with the 5DII features.
ok so a question. Folks are talking about many lenses not fully using the 21mp sensor. What exactly does that mean? Does it mean the 24-105 for instance will produce worse pics then it does on the current 5d, or just will not produce as great of a pic as it could with a better lens (say a 24L II). What lenses (I like zooms) would take advantage of it? I could go for $2500, the price the camera will be after a few months, so I can read reviews and let Canon get the bugs out of it. I do not want to then have to come up with $3000 for all new lenses.
While it's true that a 21 mp sensor can take advantage of a better lens, it is absurd to say that a given lens does not have "equal" resolution (which some folks have actually said) and probably untrue to say that a lesser lens will somehow hold the new sensor back.
Sensor resolution and lens resolution are not the same animal. One is digital and finite, while the other is analog, and tails off gradually into nothingness.
Surely, ANY lens will look better, if the pic is cropped hard or blown up huge, when shot with a 21 mp sensor, assuming all other factors of the sensors are equal. No?
gregoryfo wrote:
ok so a question. Folks are talking about many lenses not fully using the 21mp sensor. What exactly does that mean? Does it mean the 24-105 for instance will produce worse pics then it does on the current 5d, or just will not produce as great of a pic as it could with a better lens (say a 24L II). What lenses (I like zooms) would take advantage of it? I could go for $2500, the price the camera will be after a few months, so I can read reviews and let Canon get the bugs out of it. I do not want to then have to come up with $3000 for all new lenses. ...Show more →
The pictures on a 5D2 will never be worse than on a 5D. The 5D2 has 30% more linear resolution. However, to take full advantage of that 30% extra resolution, you need a lens with a 30% higher resolving power. In practice, with primes and L zooms, that will slightly narrow the range of apertures with optimal sharpness. As an example, the 5D starts showing diffraction effects at f/11. The 5D2 will start showing diffraction effects at a slighly wider aperture; probably around f/9. So, if you are shooting at f/11, you won't see much improvement in resolving power going from a 5D to a 5D2, but if you are shooting at f/8 you will.
32067dlm wrote:
Absolutely!!! I'd seriously doubt the 3D will ever exist. When the 1D goes FF, there won't be any need for a 3D, except for a compact bodied pro camera. But the 5D fills that void pretty well.
Unless the next 1Ds will come down in price (from $7800), there will be a (relatively) big market for a 3D, if a 3D has an emphasis on IQ like the 5D, but goes even further (gapless, low voltage), and is closer to the 1Ds in everything else including cross-type AF points on the 2/3 lines and corners.
A sports camera with emphasis on fps at a lower price than the 1Ds already exists, it is the 1D, but that's different than an IQ oriented camera with more pro-like features.
There may be some who buy a 1Ds because there is no 3D, but I'm sure there are many, many more who then buy a 5D instead. SO if Canon is able to support more camera models in that segment, then a 3D should be one of them.
It is quite amazing that Canon can offer a $2700 camera with a sensor currently probably a tad bit better than the 1Ds3, and everything else better or equal than the previous 5D, but the balance with AF etc now seems even more off than it was already in the 5D.
So even if some who questioned the AF, seemed to be hoping for a 5D that come closer to the 1D, more seemed to be hoping for a camera that comes closer to the 1Ds. There are apparently two larger groups (besides those who are happy with the 5D2 as is) : One that would like to pay maybe $800 less for a 50D with FF, and others who would like to pay maybe $1000 more for a camera that comes closer to the 1Ds. Unless maybe the 1Ds comes down to something like $4800, but personally I think it will stay at around $8000 and will "grow" to be closer to MF quality.
So I still think that both a 7D and a 3D make sense for both Canon and us customers.
ulrikft wrote:
Where do you have this from? I got the impression that it was on par with the d700?
Two days ago I read in the Nikon 5D II thread that 5D IIs WS is par to D700, too.
The D700 is less sealed than D3. It was funny though to read how faszinated and entusiatic the Nikonians thing about the New 5D II. They seem to be more impressed then most of the folks in here ...
James Cripps wrote:
I just simply cannot believe that they didn't change the shutter lag and viewfinder blackout..
I have seen comments about the shutter lag and viewfinder blackout here before.
WTF
I just did a back to back comparison between my 1DmkIII and 5D
Shutter lag.... once again WTF I could not notice any difference between the cameras once focus was locked on.
Viewfinder blackout.... Ok I did notice that blackout on the 5D was a little more noticeable. However I had never noticed it until all of the moaning made me do this comparison.
I can not see how this possibly could be a problem for anyone unless they have seen the difference and they constantly focus on the problem rather than taking pictures. Unless of course you are superhuman and your brain can process an image so fast that it makes it seem like a "blackout" rather than a flicker than the normal human sees
This reminds me of my old video projector. It had a burn on the tip of the globe causing a yellowish circle on the screen. My friends never noticed it until I pointed it out and there after, that was all they could see when watching the movie
Shutter lag.... once again WTF I could not notice any difference between the cameras once focus was locked on.
depending on your shooting style.
imho shutter lag / FPS is a serious drawback in 5D case. i compared my old 20D with it's 5 FPS in terms of mirror mechanics speed to my current 5D with 3 FPS...
is totally another story with obvious advantages for old 20D.
FPS imho is not only about how many succesive frames u can record from a scene, not at all..
is more about the capability of the mechanics of the mirror and maybe how fast the electronics can transcript a picture on the buffer...
since i consider electronics potent enough, i am convinced that mirror mechanics speed is the reason for that lag...
a lesser capable mechanics, able to only produce 3 FPS, will also work slower in single mode, one frame at a time.
i do not really shoot sequences of frames very often. instead, i shoot mainly animals, kids, also model. i am forced to catch "the moment" and i prefer to do it even in model scenes...
i prefer to "observe" the models, to hunt them with my camera instead of ask them "pose" ...
for this stle of shooting i can tell you the speed is extremelly important. between the moment u decide to push the shutter button and do that until the frame is recorded is a serious lag...that mean, in practicall terms, u loose a sight, a little shy smile, a posture in case of a kid who moves all the time, etcetc...
shooting a lot head to head with 20D and 5D, 5 vs 3 FPS , i have way more srew ups with slower camera, 5D... 3-4 times more lost frames (closed eyes, half of a smile, a grin instead of a happy kid face with a ear to ear smile and so on...)
in theory 3 FPS are more than enough to capture static or slow moving subjects... it should not matter if it is 3 or 5 or 10 fps...
in practic is totally different story , at least in my case.
for this reason the new 5D should have had a 5FPS capable mechanics at least, even if they would want to cripple it to work at 3 fps in sequence shooting mode...
the truth is that mirror box mechanics IS slow nativelly, 3 fps is all it is capable to produce ...
el_hoppy wrote:
I have seen comments about the shutter lag and viewfinder blackout here before.
WTF
I just did a back to back comparison between my 1DmkIII and 5D
Shutter lag.... once again WTF I could not notice any difference between the cameras once focus was locked on.
The delay occurs from the moment you half press the shutter and the moment the AF locks on... Between my 1Ds3 and 5D there is a world of difference in speed. It makes the 5D feel sluggish and unresponsive IMO. But I guess it depends on your personal shooting style if that bothers you or not
Man, that 6400 sample (photo of the two vintage Olympus cameras at the end of the dpreview gallery) looks pretty impressive considering it's from a jpg and hasn't been massaged at all.
12800 isn't too shabby either!
25600? As Reichmann said of the D3 at 25600, "As in the old joke about the talking dog, it isn't so much what it has to say but rather that it can talk at all."
.But this seems to be evolving into dual adjective/noun usage. In fact, it is destined evolution. 
I could not notice any difference between the cameras once focus was locked on.
