ChrisDM wrote:
This is the absolute best, last thing that should be said in this thread. It is one of the few really rational and intelligent things said in the last 10 pages. Furthermore, any group of clear minded, intelligent people could easily agree to end this discussion with Jeffrey's dead on accurate summation of the issue. But I doubt we will...
Chris M
www.imagineimagery.com
It is of course completely random that his opinions tangent yours? :P
This IS a great camera, no doubt about it, I'm going to buy it, and I think many great images will be captured by it. No dbout, again, about that. I'm happy about the new info on weather sealing, I'm happy about the general build quality, I'm happy about af-microadjust, I'm happy about the new lcd-screen, sensor cleaning.. Lots of great features.
That said, it must be possible to question things like the shutterlag/mirrorblackout, not (if that is true) using the new sensor technology, not updating AF more substantially etc. Stating that it has it's downsides is not "bashing" or raining on any parade, it is a simple rational observation.
The thing that many griping don't seem to grasp about the slightly dissappointed is that new cameras take time to be released. The price is not the factor for many of us.
If the 1Ds3 had the mid-res sRAW, hi-res LCD on the back, and an AF known to be 100% without question, it would be an easy choice to go with the 1 series.
Likewise, while we can agree with the sentiments of Jeffery's post, we can also recognize it's a little premature to close the thread when virtually no testing has been done yet.
orangefirefish wrote:
Unfortunately I think noise is only half the picture. What bothers me is that the pictures don't look that great at all color wise, it could be the AWB or the lack of dynamic range. In addition there is a great deal of chroma noise that is clearly visible even in the down-res'd image. I don't know what it is but I loved my 5d's color rendition and dynamic range, and especially how smooth everything looked.
if they tried to make up for not going gapless by lightening the color filters wouldn't that lessen color discrimination in the cam? i mean you can't get a free lunch can you?
Jeffrey Biggs wrote:
While I am neither the most experienced nor the most well informed photographer on this forum, I am a working photographer with 18 years of shooting experience. Most of the negative comments from users on this forum are coming from people who have a fundamental misunderstanding of the position this camera occupies in the market. People cry "no pro auto focus" they whine "3.9 fps is just too slow" and "not enough weather sealing" when the reality is it is not now nor will it ever be a high end Pro camera body. People seem to expect canon, and Nikon for that matter to give them the full fat Pro body experience without shelling out the clams for a Pro level body. It has all of the qualities in spec. to be one of the finest imaging tools ever produced, hopefully when we get our hands on it this will prove to be the case. My personal opinion is that the 5D produces some the finest digital images in the world and I expect the 5D MkII to continue that. However, if you want a workhorse to shoot 300 to 1000 images a day in difficult conditions including fog, rain, dust, crowds with poor light and generally bad shooting conditions you should be shooting and paying for the abilities of Nikon D3 series or Canon 1 series bodies. If you just want to make beautiful images a 5D is probably going to be the best consumer camera ever made....Show more →
Whilst I broadly agree with what you're saying here, the fact remains that Nikon offer exactly that. A smaller, lighter camera with pretty much the full feature set of the D3 at a far lower price. That pro AF module in the D700 signalled a change of the status quo and it's puzzling that Canon offer what looks to be a wonderful camera with a deeply average AF module. What Canon are saying is that to get that module on a FF body you need to spend an extra £2000. Seriously?
My opinion is that just about every complaint I've seen about this camera today from fellow wedding photographers is that the AF is a problem for them. Addressing that would have removed 99% of those complaints at a stroke. As it is they remain.
CKeiser wrote:
Wow, my jaw is on the desk.
First for the amazing 5DII that Canon just announced.
Second for the disappointment vocalized by some people. {shakes head in bewilderment}
-Christopher
same here..why is there so much negativity this camera is more than likely have the best IQ than ANY DSLR even canons own flagship 1dsmk3 until a mk4 comes out...still to much $ for me but way cheaper than 8k for the same IQ.. AF not withstanding which is another red herring here...Canon wants IQ over anything else if this is achieved with a 3,6 or 9pt AF then there we are...so what if Nikons has more or sony...ITS IQ that matters in the end
Radiohead wrote:
That pro AF module in the D700 signalled a change of the status quo and it's puzzling that Canon offer what looks to be a wonderful camera with a deeply average AF module. What Canon are saying is that to get that module on a FF body you need to spend an extra £2000. Seriously?
Canon will protect that margin on the 1Ds3 until it's pried from their cold, dead hands!
Or until someone can match them in image quality at the equivalent resolution.
My opinion is that just about every complaint I've seen about this camera today from fellow wedding photographers is that the AF is a problem for them. Addressing that would have removed 99% of those complaints at a stroke. As it is they remain.
How were these ever made with such a faulty AF module?:
Wow, I can't believe all of this rancor about the AF.
I never heard a complaint about the AF on the 5D Mark I - it was good enough then. I would have loved to have gotten a 1D Mark III with the AF consistency of the 1D Mark IIN!
I've shot with the 5D for 2 years professionally so I have experience here. It's a fabulous camera but the AF remains deeply average. It's not especially accurate, it's fairly slow and combined with a longish shutter lag and mirror blackout can make for a frustrating wedding camera. Using a D700 shows exactly where the 5D is lacking. Fast, deadly accurate. These are not just my opinions, they're echoed by hundreds of fellow pros at DWF.
I can't help but think that Canon knows this and would be making a much bigger deal of the AF were it improved.
I've shot with the 5D for 2 years professionally so I have experience here. It's a fabulous camera but the AF remains deeply average. It's not especially accurate, it's fairly slow and combined with a longish shutter lag and mirror blackout can make for a frustrating wedding camera. Using a D700 shows exactly where the 5D is lacking. Fast, deadly accurate. These are not just my opinions, they're echoed by hundreds of fellow pros at DWF.
I can't help but think that Canon knows this and would be making a much bigger deal of the AF were it improved. ...Show more →
We don't know whether the shutter lag and mirror blackout are the same, but you are probably right (I am no fanboy )
Evangelos wrote:
Acutally, the 5D is unique in that it uses a separate microprocessor to control the AF, unlike the 40 and 50D which use the Digic chips.
Evan
that might actually be bad, if they didn't update the chip then this can't be any better or faster than the 5D AF, if they used all the same parts then it IS the 5D AF.
normally it's better, but this would mean they can't go to totally improved algotihms (or likely not) and the digic iv wont make the af faster...
DMSsix wrote:
Thanks Jerry. I realize the Ds bodies have similar grouping of the points, I've just always wondered exactly why. Always has seemed like wasted space to me out there in no-man's land.
My guess is so they can use the same focusing sensor array between the two.
I have also heard that it is more difficult to get accurate focus detection near the edges.
I've used mine professionally for a while now too, and feel the same way.
And to the people incessantly saying "then get a 1DXXX" ... what if we don't want that big/heavy of a body? I'm willing to pay for it, I just want something smaller, since I'm going to be carrying two of them, plus lenses and sometimes flashes for 10+ hours straight. What now? Just sit down and STFU and let Canon have their way?
