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p.28 #1 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


AngusM wrote:
Want a 1DsIII? Go buy one if that is what you seek in a camera..simple. I think Canon now offers a camera body to suit every photographer's need. So if you want more than you can afford..work harder.


The price isn't the only downside of the 1Ds III, so it isn't as simple as that. Many people want the best functionality in a lighter smaller body than the 1 series bricks. There is still a major gap between the 5D and 1Ds III, not just in terms of price, but many other attributes, too. I already have a 1Ds II - the biggest upgrade that I desire is to have a replacement that is lighter and smaller, but no worse in any other way. Thus neither the 1Ds III nor the 5D II give me the upgrade that I'm looking for.

The 5D II will still sell extremely well, I'm sure, because it will probably have better picture quality than the Sony 900, and certainly better than the Nikon 700. It needs to, of course, being 15% and 38% more expensive than those two cameras (in UK prices).



Sep 17, 2008 at 10:53 AM
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Andrew Gough wrote:
I know, I am writing this on my first iMac, which I am liking big time. Mac Pro next , I'm going to take the old unreliable windows box and load linux on it - any recommendations?


Congratulations. I made the change to Mac 18 months ago and never looked back. Put Ubuntu Linux on your old PC hardware and you'll have 2 very nice machines.

ps - The MacPro is awesome, but buy it w/ minimal memory and then upgrade w/ memory from Crucial, much cheaper and just as good.



Sep 17, 2008 at 10:55 AM
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p.28 #3 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


brainiac wrote:
No, it uses the whole sensor, but, as I understand it, it averages out either 2 or 4 pixels to form each pixel in the saved file. It is a great feature, allowing you to shoot raw files at varying resolutions. With a 21 megapixel camera it's a godsend, because frankly, computers haven't kept up with Canon's pace of sensor development.

I quite often shoot my 1Ds3 in sRaw mode (~5 megapixels). Some people around here seem to think that's odd, but you don't always want or need to use your camera at its utmost resolution. For instance, shooting a 24-70
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I thought that sRAW was practically useless on a 10MP camera, but on a 20+ MP camera it starts to make sense, especially if binning those pixels are actually used to make a higher-quality file. Considering that many of us photographers are after increased DR and higher per-pixel quality in general, it starts to become idiosyncratic that Canon is increasing megapixels at a rapid rate in order to create fewer, higher-quality pixels. es, I know that line of thinking is a bit of a stretch, but I'd prefer they go at it from the other end of the spectrum.

Kind of the wrong approach in my opinion, but we all know what that's worth.

-Jeff



Sep 17, 2008 at 10:57 AM
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p.28 #4 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Since I currently own a Rebel XTi, the possibility of a full frame upgrade is much more appealing with the 5DII, esp since I've gotten used to the sensor cleaning. However, I will wait until I can hold one in my hands and try snap a few shots in the store. Who knows maybe the 5D I will drop to $1k


Sep 17, 2008 at 10:58 AM
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my 4 year old digital back produces stunning 16bit files in terms of tonal gradation (the resolution is 16mp). One would expect that 16bit files would be even more necessary coming from a smaller sensor.

You may be right about the FW vs. USB, but let's hope that Canon improved the transfer rate on the USB



Sep 17, 2008 at 10:59 AM
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p.28 #6 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


ShadowWalker wrote:
Congratulations. I made the change to Mac 18 months ago and never looked back. Put Ubuntu Linux on your old PC hardware and you'll have 2 very nice machines.

ps - The MacPro is awesome, but buy it w/ minimal memory and then upgrade w/ memory from Crucial, much cheaper and just as good.


Thanks, I'm trying to hold off for the rumoured twin quad-processor. But its getting painful on the old Pentium 3G with 21mp files = 16bit 125mp finished product. Something that all you new 5D II users will need to get your wallet out for. I am blowing thru TB's of storage these days...



Sep 17, 2008 at 11:01 AM
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I think on the whole it is potentially a very good camera but the thing that puts me off is I don't like is the price structure in the UK compared to the US. It is £2299 ($4100) yet the 1D mark 3 is £2339 that is approx $50 difference.

I know the 1D3 has been out for a while but I was hoping it would come in at a similar price to the D700 which is approx £1670 ($2900). Guess I might have to save a little longer for a new body.




Sep 17, 2008 at 11:01 AM
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p.28 #8 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Maybe this was already discused and I missed it but the Canon wesite states the 5D Mk2 is capatible with EF/EF-S lenses This isn't really true is it?


Sep 17, 2008 at 11:03 AM
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Considering that many of us photographers are after increased DR and higher per-pixel quality in general, it starts to become idiosyncratic that Canon is increasing megapixels at a rapid rate in order to create fewer, higher-quality pixels.

But that is actually exactly how Canon improved the EOS performance. More megapixels help in creating more precise image rendering, be it through pixel binning in sRAW or percentual noise content in a full res image. We got more dynamic range, better colours, better detail etc. everything we wanted since the first D-SLR generations. People asking for less but better pixels maybe right in THEORY but in reality (on the CMOS sensors) more megapixels proved to be better megapixels too. Even though you would vote against me: I wish you all the best of EOSfun



Sep 17, 2008 at 11:04 AM
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p.28 #10 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Sorry for off-topic...

I found that most of the software that impressed me recently with features, quality and support came from Australia. Jira, ProSelect to name a few.

Justin D wrote:
Erm - what are we the best at? Is there anything?




Sep 17, 2008 at 11:05 AM
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brainiac wrote:
That's pretty rude, Jeff. Eosfun never speaks meanly to anyone. And he contributes a lot. Some people get irritated by his eccentricities, but those are just his way of having ...fun. Once you know that, it's not difficult to overlook it if it annoys you. Or just don't read his posts.


Perhaps it was, but his current contributions are not unlike having some pusher on the street corner trying to convince me I need 'more', when what I really want is 'better'. I'm glad he's able to have fun with this, but it comes at the expense of many on the forums. He posts so much, it becomes quite hard to overlook without an 'IGNORE' button.

Develop one of those Richard, and we wouldn't be having this conversation!

Respectfully,

Jeff



Sep 17, 2008 at 11:05 AM
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p.28 #12 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/techdigest/20080917/ttc-exclusive-canon-engineers-held-back-e870a33.html

sorry if this is a re-post, but wow!
marketing totally altered the camera for the worse (even the sensor, nevermind AF/performance)!


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Andrew Gough wrote:
I know, I am writing this on my first iMac, which I am liking big time. Mac Pro next , I'm going to take the old unreliable windows box and load linux on it - any recommendations?


ubuntu. easy.



Sep 17, 2008 at 11:05 AM
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p.28 #14 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Question:

This is from the Canon site:
"Compatible with over 60 EF/EFS lenses...."

Does this mean you can use lenses such as the 10-22 on this camera? The camera would have to adjust for the EFS lens to get the image on the FF sensor.

Gil



Sep 17, 2008 at 11:06 AM
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I thought that sRAW was practically useless on a 10MP camera, but on a 20+ MP camera it starts to make sense, especially if binning those pixels are actually used to make a higher-quality file. Considering that many of us photographers are after increased DR and higher per-pixel quality in general, it starts to become idiosyncratic that Canon is increasing megapixels at a rapid rate in order to create fewer, higher-quality pixels. es, I know that line of thinking is a bit of a stretch, but I'd prefer they go at it from the other end of the spectrum.

Kind of the
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I'm inclined to agree but I do like the fact that with all the pixels it gives the option of having larger file sizes too. That's kinda neat for landscape shooters. More options=good stuff.

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Sep 17, 2008 at 11:07 AM
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p.28 #16 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Daan B wrote:
I used to have two 5D's for the same kind of work and although I absolutely loved the IQ, I couldn't stand the AF and overall sluggishness. That's why I went the 1D series route. I just hoped they would have improved the 5D substantially in the aformentioned areas. And I also hoped they went a little easier on the MP's. I don't need 21MP files for weddings. That makes PP more heavy on the system than it should be. sRAW helps, but even with a 10MP sRAW file, the files remain very big. 15MP would have been great.
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/techdigest/20080917/ttc-exclusive-canon-engineers-held-back-e870a33.html



Sep 17, 2008 at 11:07 AM
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p.28 #17 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


I guess Moore's Law does not apply here...


Sep 17, 2008 at 11:07 AM
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I'm thoroughly on the fence right now (very uncomfortably, btw). I just bought a 40D in the Spring, with the instant rebate. Very nice camera, nice step up from my 20D, does a generally good job, but there are areas that could be improved (like AF accuracy).

I've decided to dedicate more energy to my photography going forward, so I was thinking about addressing the issues that I've had with the 40D by upgrading in the next few months. I bought near the low point in the 40D market, so I won't take much of a loss on it. However, the question of what to upgrade to is something else entirely.

Based on the rumors, I had just about convinced myself that, if the 5D2 had improved AF vs. the 40D, I'd seriously consider it, as the pixel density matches the 20D, which was fine for about 3.5 years of use for me. Having spent a year dabbling in HD video and deciding to go back to photography, the ability to shoot video with an SLR also intrigues me.

However, the one thing Canon apparently decided not to touch was the 5D's AF. Some say that, with the "helper points", it still tracks better than the 40D, but that's just not a significant enough improvement for me to spend that kind of money, in addition to having to find replacements for a couple of EF-S lenses that I really like (the 18-55 IS, which is a great stop-down landscape/flowing water lens, and the 60 macro).

So, if I want better AF, a 1-series is my only option, but again, I'd have to replace a couple lenses, and I'm not thrilled with the size of the 1D bodies. On top of that, you have the MkIII AF issue, the fact that you *know* it's going to be replaced in the Spring with a new body that will up the MP, add HD video, a VGA screen, etc., and it's hard to think about spending the kind of money even a used MkIII goes for. Go back to the MkII (or MkIIn), and you're dealing with more noise in low light, obsolete battery technology, and the old "grow another hand" 1-series menu system. So, hard to see a viable option there.

So, 50D? Will the AF be improved? Even if it is, it's hard to see the ~$600 it will cost (over the 40D's resale value) as justified, given what it doesn't have (HD video, specifically) that you *know* will be in the 60D.

Looks like I'm living with the 40D for several more months, at the least..........



Sep 17, 2008 at 11:08 AM
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p.28 #19 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


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Okay. I do not shoot sports. fps does not count for me. And I will be fine with its AF I guess.

If thats your job, actually I think you have the choice between 1D MKIII and D3/D700.
Based on 50D and 5D MK II I am shure there will be two 1D follow ups soon, too. And I hope they will offer, what you need. Next to that I am sure they will be much less expensive. 1D MK III is available at €3333 now, 1Ds MK III at €6666. The follow ups will be much cheaper. 6666 for
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i hate bulky boides though and while i do sports i also do tons of regular stuff
so probably the D800 next year or so would be truly ideal.
or if canon had made what the engineers had wanted for the 5dmkii (see article)
but anyway it sounds good for you



Sep 17, 2008 at 11:10 AM
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Jeff wrote:
EOSfun, I believe your time here is now over. The hype of the introduction is behind us, your prescient telling of the future has been debunked as mere opinionated market-speak, and however congenial you may be on the boards, I personally think many of us have had enough of the grade-school banter.

But, that's just my not-so-humble opinion.


Are playing around here, or are you really that much of a jerk? You somehow have more right to be here than anyone else?



Sep 17, 2008 at 11:11 AM
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