burychka wrote:
The 5D2 has interchangeable focus screens, yet the Canon lineup does not include one with a split image or microprism focus aid. I'm sure there's a logical reason for that. Anyone know what it is? Maybe there's a 3rd party screen with that feature? There must be some drawback to it, though, since modern SLRs have only a half-silvered mirror, and maybe the image is too dark for microprism?
In general, when af showed up, manual focus ability took a huge hit. One reason would be that part of the light entering the camera must be diverted to the af sensor and less light entered the prism for viewing.
There are third party screens with a microprism focus aid for the 5D... and probably 5DII soon. Just as with af, speed/fps and a 100% viewfinder, Canon charges about $4000 for that option as its available in the 1D series but not 5D.
apdieb wrote:
For anyone that is concerned about AF performance (center point).. Read this thread. I have posted AI servo samples from various hockey games and have been quite impressed.. Even side by side with my 1Dmk3. The FPS is very slow by comparison, but the AI-Servo (center point mind you).. is very good.
Shooting another game tonight and plan to use the same combo...
F4, 1/800th, ISO 2000 is a lot of light! I'm often shooting at ISO 1600 1/30 - 1/60th at f2 to 2.8. That's were af issues with the 5D can show up in my experience.
AnthonyRhoades wrote:
Besides, if you want (need really, and need because you make a living shooting in low low light conditions) the AF of a 1DS III, you buy a 1DS III... What do you want for $2800, a camera that does your dishes, washes and dries and then prepares your taxes?
Get mine (finally) on Wednesday!
What I wanted was something with the feature set and price of the Sony a900 but with a Canon EF mount.
1. Congratulations to all who have received their new Canon 5DmkII and are now using them.
2. For those who have not received them yet I hope you receive them before Christmas.
3. Thanks to all of you. By the time I order mine, Canon will have (hopefully) a firmware update that will take out a lot of the nits that you are coping with now and I won't have those problems.
4. I had planned to order mine in March but found out I needed hearing aids badly. A pair of DIGITAL ones cost as much as the 5DMkII kit, so I will not be able to afford a new camera until March 2010. I will just have to struggle through until that time with the "old" 5D. Alas, woe is me.
5. My current laptop computer will not handle the job the 5DII requires. So here are some questions and things I have gathered from this forum. Please correct me or answer where I am in error.
I need a PC with Vista or an OSX Mac. I had planned on getting the Mac anyway.
CFIII Ultra cards are OK for everything but video. CFIV Ultr cards are prefered.
If a 12 minute video only utilizes 4GB why is an 8GB card required?
Do I need special software to process the video, aside from CS4? From my old 8mm days I learned to shoot so most editing is done in camera with a little planning.
Can the video be transfered to DVD's or is it only for web use?
Has anyone compared a 5D print with a 5DMkII print at 12X18 or larger yet and is there still the great 5D "look"
jerrykur wrote:
Hopefully without the ugly body of the A900 and a Canon sensor instead of the Sony sensor.
I like the a900 body but I'm sure its either something you love or hate. Reminds me of my old Canon EF black beauty film body or even a little like a Contax RTS III. Agreed on the Canon sensor as long as it was the actual 1DsIII sensor and not the "improved" one they put in the 5DII. The a900 sensor is extremely good at low ISO's but not so much at higher ISO's.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
F4, 1/800th, ISO 2000 is a lot of light! I'm often shooting at ISO 1600 1/30 - 1/60th at f2 to 2.8. That's were af issues with the 5D can show up in my experience.
Auto focus works at the widest aperture available on your lens regardless of your settings. It only stomps down to your settings when you click your shutter. (you probably already knew this..)
I shoot weddings nearly every weekend in situations just as you described. I haven't used AI-Servo yet though. Next wedding is scheduled for 1/3....I'll know better then. It's definitely possible that the servo performance will suffer under those conditions. For now, other than testing around my house and at my sporting assignments I have nothing to really go on. But..regardless of the fact that it has the "same AF system" as the old 5D... I am finding it to perform more snappy/responsive. I have never been able to reliably (in my mind) use AI-Servo on anything other than my 1D's. These recent tests have me intrigued though. I wasn't expecting the results I got.
burychka wrote:
I started with a Nikon F (before they had numbers after the "F"). Manual focus was really fine with the Nikkor 50mm F1.4 and the split image focus screen. Also had a Canon FT. That camera had a microprism center in the focus screen, and it made manual focus an absolutely precise operation.
The 5D2 has interchangeable focus screens, yet the Canon lineup does not include one with a split image or microprism focus aid. I'm sure there's a logical reason for that. Anyone know what it is? Maybe there's a 3rd party screen with that feature? There must be some drawback to it, though, since modern SLRs have only a half-silvered mirror, and maybe the image is too dark for microprism?...Show more →
I've been trying to find out for ages since I bought my 5D.
As the 1D and 1Ds have several versions of these screens, I can't think of any technical reason why the 5D series can't.
But, maybe there is. I'd like to know, either way. Even the fine matte screen designed for manual focussing isn't always good enough.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
I like the a900 body but I'm sure its either something you love or hate. Reminds me of my old Canon EF black beauty film body or even a little like a Contax RTS III. Agreed on the Canon sensor as long as it was the actual 1DsIII sensor and not the "improved" one they put in the 5DII. The a900 sensor is extremely good at low ISO's but not so much at higher ISO's.
For some reason, the Sony body doesn't look balanced. It's got an odd look, different from all other film SlR's, and D-SLRs.
What do you think is wrong with the new sensor, by all accounts, it's much better than the old one.
Mel Gross wrote:
For some reason, the Sony body doesn't look balanced. It's got an odd look, different from all other film SlR's, and D-SLRs.
What do you think is wrong with the new sensor, by all accounts, it's much better than the old one.
Apart from the black dot issue, it looks like to me the 5DII suffers from moire worse than the 1dsIII. I have seen really bad moire on many posted images and even if you look at the comparative test images at Imaging Resource, the 5DII shows moire where the 1dsIII does not in the exact same shooting situation. There is also a quality to the color which just seems flat and more washed out. It's subtle and may not be measurable but I see it. My sense is that the 5DII sensor is not an improvement on the 1DsIII sensor and that any changes were probably made for the sake of cost cutting or additional features and not image quality. That's just my sense of course.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Apart from the black dot issue, it looks like to me the 5DII suffers from moire worse than the 1dsIII. I have seen really bad moire on many posted images and even if you look at the comparative test images at Imaging Resource, the 5DII shows moire where the 1dsIII does not in the exact same shooting situation. There is also a quality to the color which just seems flat and more washed out. It's subtle and may not be measurable but I see it. My sense is that the 5DII sensor is not an improvement on the 1DsIII sensor and that any changes were probably made for the sake of cost cutting or additional features and not image quality. That's just my sense of course. ...Show more →
The black dot issue has nothing to do with the sensor I'm pretty sure. I've seen this problem before on other cameras, and it has always been due to processing of the image.
According to the Pop Photo review, the color accuracy is very highest, one of the highest recorded so far, and much better than that of the Sony a900.
I don't like to go by most of the images I see on the web, because I find them to be unrelated to what comes out in a print.
I haven't heard of any moire problems. If that were a problem, it would have been mentioned.
The Leica M8 has some moire "problems" , but in looking at a number of prints where those problems were supposed to be, there were none.
Sometimes, what one thinks of as moire is not. It's detail from various objects that, at that angle coincide in such a way as to seem to be moire.
This happens often with cloth, to give one example.
As the 5D mkII is slightly sharper than the older 1Ds mkIII, I can see how one may think this, as the sharper the camera, the more likely this may appear, unless too much noise reduction is going on that obscures the finest detail.
Of course, if there is a bit more moire after all, it's more likely that it's coming from a weaker antialiasing filter rather than from the sensor.
I haven't seen those pics. Is the apparent moire a color moire, or a luminance moire? The two are very different.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
I think it is the grip. Visually, the grip does not seem to look quite right from a design standpoint compared to the rest of the body.
To me, it's the strange shape of the pentaprism. I've never seen one that looks like that.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Apart from the black dot issue, it looks like to me the 5DII suffers from moire worse than the 1dsIII. I have seen really bad moire on many posted images and even if you look at the comparative test images at Imaging Resource, the 5DII shows moire where the 1dsIII does not in the exact same shooting situation. There is also a quality to the color which just seems flat and more washed out. It's subtle and may not be measurable but I see it. My sense is that the 5DII sensor is not an improvement on the 1DsIII sensor and that any changes were probably made for the sake of cost cutting or additional features and not image quality. That's just my sense of course. ...Show more →
Moire is not a bad thing in a lot of cases. The 5D series has always had a weak AA filter and thus showed more moire. But, with proper technique a weaker AA filter produces sharper images since a AA filter blurs the images. Some companies will "hot rod" your camera by removing the AA filter.
Color saturation and contrast is a function of post processing or in camera settings. Just like using different films to get a certain look. I suspect any difference in samples is due to variations in settings.
FYI: I ordered a 5D2 (body only) from Adorama.com on 12/1 and just got an email today that it's been shipped. So hopefully Canon's shipping more units than expected and those of us who ordered late (after 9/17) will have theirs before the holidays. I know I was pleasantly surprised when I got the email today!
Or maybe it's due to all the cancellations because of all the reported and/or perceived issues...
Either way, I'm stoked. ...and look forward to graduating from whining about "where's my camera" to actually providing useful feedback to this forum.
ohyeah wrote:
FYI: I ordered a 5D2 (body only) from Adorama.com on 12/1 and just got an email today that it's been shipped. So hopefully Canon's shipping more units than expected and those of us who ordered late (after 9/17) will have theirs before the holidays. I know I was pleasantly surprised when I got the email today!
Or maybe it's due to all the cancellations because of all the reported and/or perceived issues...
Either way, I'm stoked. ...and look forward to graduating from whining about "where's my camera" to actually providing useful feedback to this forum.
Congrats!
Mine is the mail (actually UPS) also!!
I guess the backlog is gone if you can get one in 10 days or so. I wonder what this will do to those $4000 bodies on eBay
...and look forward to graduating from whining about "where's my camera" to actually providing useful feedback to this forum.