Good for you! You didn't want to join Europe some years ago, remember? Now you are burdened with that silly crown instead of our strong euro currency. Even though you live in the Saudi Arabia of the Western Europe you still got less EOSfun per crown :P Ha det bra!
The camera is cheap in the US, it is expensive in the UK, much more than $400 too much sskoutas.
£2300
Thats alot of wonga when you can get a D700 for £1700. I know the Canon has more megapixels, but I don't need or particularly want 21 MP - and I suspect that's true for alot of amateur photographers. Maybe by next spring the 5D2 will have reached a sensible price.
To be fair their 24-70 is £200 more and if you want a pro wide angle then you have to lay out for the 17-35 which is about double the price of the 17-40L by which time your price has equalised though I still agree that the Nikon is a better choice for a pro.
Than ask your camera butcher if you can have a discount if crop a little
I guess taxes are part of the problem, it's not Canon who makes these differences. After the first pressure on the market where everyone wants to have this new baby, I believe the 5D2 will be below 2000 Euro, probably next spring already (but after PMA ) In the meantime have EOSfun!
sskoutas wrote:
Go read the Nikon forum's reaction. They seem impressed and pleased with its specs.
They are probably pleased because their D300's and D700's still have much better focussing systems. And built-in flashes. And more than 2 stops of exposure compensation. And remote flash triggering. And a whole lot of other stuff that makes them very viable competition to Canon's as yet unreleased nonesuch.
>The important issue will be the IQ... does this Mark II carry on the near legendary tradition of the 5D for stellar IQ.
It's going to look like a 1Ds3 file. Very very good. But don't expect people to be blown away like they were with the first 5D.
>If the IQ remains comparably ahead of the field, isn't a $400 "upgrade" cost worth it for nearly double the resolution...
It is nothing like doubling resolution. Doubling resolution would be 52 megapixels.
...(for those who can use it), 33% faster FPS
...but much slower than 40D/50D, and more importantly, much slower than the D700.
>...liveview, cleaning, 920,000 dot 3" VGA LCD vs. the old 2.5"
...old news, since cheaper Canon cameras, and the competing Nikons already have this stuff.
>...the addition of 6 assist points
No.
>...HD Video (again, for those who can use it), Digic 4 vs 2, greater ISO range, etc. Come on... $400 bucks for that?
Current resale value of 5D: £750. Proposed price for 5D2, £2300. I don't know where you got the 400 bucks idea from.
eosfun wrote:
Good for you! You didn't want to join Europe some years ago, remember? Now you are burdened with that silly crown instead of our strong euro currency. Even though you live in the Saudi Arabia of the Western Europe you still got less EOSfun per crown :P Ha det bra!
actually, norway is among the countries where you get most pr hour of work :P as a lowly security guy, working my way trough law school, I make $30 pr hour. That explains the high prices. The good thing is that I can just jump on the boat down to denmark, and get the EUR price, be safe with the same social democratic laws on consumer safety as in Norway and have lots of EOSFun.. :P
sskoutas wrote:
I'm a PC guy right now, but looking to move to Mac in the next 3 months. Anyone know what the OS10.5 recommended configurations would be?
Tom_W wrote:
Good point, Marcus. It could well have gotten some needed "tweaking", especially if the high-ISO capability of the camera turns out to be very good.
Still, the hardware remains the same (that is 1 center AF cross point, 8 single axis AF sensors and 6 assists points). You can only "tweak" so much...
sskoutas wrote:
what kind of computing power do you need to effectively use a Lightroom/Photoshop workflow and still be able to manipulate the images from a full day's worth of shooting 21.1MP images?
Do we all need 21MP? Not necessarily.
The 5D2 offers two lower RAW resolutions (10MP and 5MP), that keep the DR intact.
At 10MP you can still print at
200ppi => 19x13 inches (~A3)
300ppi => 13x8.5 inches (~A4)
(300ppi being accepted as the pros standard).
Cropping? The 10MP coming from the 21MP downscaled to 10MP RAW image will leave less pixels obviously, but sharper and with less noise (per pixel).
[To get the same quality you have to downsize the 21MP image, so...].
However the 21MP keeps a printing advantage, since downscaling an image loses information that cannot be retrieved even with the best interpolation algorithms. So if A3 is not enough...
Practically?
Twice the MP means
- at least twice the memory usage (depends on processing)
- CF card capacity virtually divided by 2
- twice the storage space (disk)
- twice the time to process the image (more: depends on algos)
- twice the time to transfer the image etc...
So the MP is an important point that has to be considered as well.
The good thing is that I can just jump on the boat down to denmark, and get the EUR price,
And then drink a little tax free on that boat, so you forgot what you were going to buy at the Viking store on the other shore side. Have EOSfun, since you have to pay a lot for it and work very hard in comparison to that other guy making 200$ per hour
Beni wrote:
Fresh from reading DPReview, anyone notice that batteries, chargers and grip are all new so can't be used together with a 5D? That's crap, means it's a pain in the arse to shoot with one of each. No legacy carryover. Even the focusing screens are different. No doubt it will need a new RRS L bracket as well .
I think most people are going to be either mkI or mkII users. If you're serious enough to need two of them, then the price isn't exactly prohibitive.
>Happy to see that the camera does have Silent Mode (big boon to wedding shooters shooting candidly)
+1 good point
> 3 C modes is also nice
+1 this is fantastic. It's like having 3 additional cameras if you use a zoom. I love the 5D implemention of this.
> though the auto ISO is very simple
simple is good - you make fewer mistakes.
>I don't know how many people can come close to handholding 21 megapixels at 1/FL except by fluke.
Very true. It's a shame they didn't have an option to set this to focal length x2 or x3.
> Wish the power switch had been moved though, I turn that thing off at least 10-15 times a wedding with shirt buttons.
It looks to me as though it doesn't stick out so far, so it should be better in this regard. Still a stupid place to put it though. When you realise the camera isn't switched on, your finger is normally on the release. Nikon gets this right.
hey are probably pleased because their D300's and D700's still have much better focussing systems. And built-in flashes. And more than 2 stops of exposure compensation. And remote flash triggering. And a whole lot of other stuff that makes them very viable competition to Canon's as yet unreleased nonesuch.
It's features or image quality. Bells and whistles or megapixels. Guess what makes EOSfun? Megapixels. There is no substitute for megapixels.
ulrikft wrote:
Stupid question, is the end of november start of december a real thing, or just a careful estimate? I thought it should/would be possible to get in mid october at least. Any thoughts on this?
No
Maybe mid Nov.
Mid Oct is a month away. If they could hit that date they wouldn't say end of November
That's an interesting point about downsizing: It means the 5D II effectively makes a 10 megapixel sensor completely obsolete, because the 5D II resamples and achieves that size, much like pixel binning (if it isn't the same thing). It makes my 40D seem twice as inferior as before!
on that boat, so you forgot what you were going to buy at the Viking store on the other shore side. Have EOSfun, since you have to pay a lot for it and work very hard in comparison to that other guy making 200$ per hour 
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