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p.225 #1 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


WilliamG wrote:
Apple updated their MacBook Pros at just the right time. They handle my 1080p videos from the 5D with ease. (2.53Ghz model)



You should bring it back and get the generation right before this one...There are a lot of things Apple did "wrong" in many peoples opinions...The glossy screen...whew, the colors are great and very vibrant however I don't enjoy seeing whats on my screen as well as everything else around and behind me...also they did away with the mouse button on the touch pad...not sure how much getting use to it requires but it seems to me that it will restrict a lot of things you can do in photoshop and for careful brush editing...I also read the new Mac magazine and they said that in tests the battery died 22-25minutes faster than the previous models...they also stated that the the previous generation is "faster" which I don't really understand but hey its mac talking about macs so why would they lie

Im thinking about picking up a new 15in 2.4ghz 2gb ram 200mb hd etc etc for like 1800 refurbished...non glossy



Dec 06, 2008 at 05:25 PM
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p.225 #2 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


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What AF? That was all manually focused as far as I'm aware. Just his technique needs to be better. For a LOT of photogs who've never done video, this is a VERY typical result. Still stunning video!


I thought he did pretty well for a newbie. Especially without aperture control. The editing had way too much focus/unfocus stuff. That's going to get old I fear.

But what a beautiful cat.



Dec 06, 2008 at 05:40 PM
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p.225 #3 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Wallybud wrote:
also they did away with the mouse button on the touch pad...not sure how much getting use to it requires but it seems to me that it will restrict a lot of things you can do in photoshop and for careful brush editing


I was also curious about this.. I figured it was such a gross mistake there had to be a reason for it, or at least a work around.. I used one the otherday and can safely say it is the worst system for a mouse i've ever encountered.. Whenever you want to click on anything the cursor moves. With the small window buttons (close, minimize etc) i was missing them every so many clicks purely for this reason. Absolutely stupid.

And glossy screens.. Brilliant.



Dec 06, 2008 at 06:31 PM
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p.225 #4 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


I had a feeling that buttonless mouse would be a problem, and I did not want the glossy screen. I am so glad I ordered a previous generation MacBook Pro the day after the new ones came out, at a savings of $700 US.


Dec 06, 2008 at 09:41 PM
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p.225 #5 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


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You find the noise on your 40D inferior to your 20D? Interesting.. I was looking to get a better backup to my coming 5D2 in the form of one of those but perhaps I should just go with a 5D1 instead.

Yes. I don't know what the reviews say, but I shoot a lot at ISO 800 and 1600, and I good pretty sharp photos with the 20D, while the 40D is quite disappointing in low light.
If you are using a 5D2 as a pro, then I don't see how a crop camera could be your backup for other than extreme emergencies. The focal lengths of your lenses would be all different in effect. Indeed, you would lose wide angle, unless you have one of the extreme "digital" lenses like the Canon 10-22. It would drive me crazy, if I were concentrating on a subject and had to switch. Seems to me a used 5D would make more sense than a 40D or 50D. But there must be some pros here who work that way.



Dec 06, 2008 at 10:19 PM
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p.225 #6 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Anyone else (with the 5D-II) notice that when you're in the menu, if you tilt the camera around it turns off the LCD? Is there a way to turn this off? I find it annoying when I'm fiddling with something like lens micro-adjust and it just goes back to shooting mode.


Dec 06, 2008 at 10:46 PM
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burychka wrote:
Yes. I don't know what the reviews say, but I shoot a lot at ISO 800 and 1600, and I good pretty sharp photos with the 20D, while the 40D is quite disappointing in low light.
If you are using a 5D2 as a pro, then I don't see how a crop camera could be your backup for other than extreme emergencies. The focal lengths of your lenses would be all different in effect. Indeed, you would lose wide angle, unless you have one of the extreme "digital" lenses like the Canon 10-22. It would drive me crazy, if I were
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A few things that I have noticed because I have a 50D and 5DII ... The LCDs are the same, the information displays on the screens are the same, the internal menu systems are the same (except 5DII has one extra item on one menu), key controls are layed out exactly the same (except those around the display), viewfinder data displays are close enough to being the same. You can go between these cameras and it is not disorienting (except having to switch your orientation from FF to crop). They can be setup to be exact clones of each other with everything identical. I'm not saying one approach is better than the other, just that there are a few reasons someone might like the 5DII / 50D combo.


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Dec 06, 2008 at 10:59 PM
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WilliamG wrote:
What AF? That was all manually focused as far as I'm aware. Just his technique needs to be better. For a LOT of photogs who've never done video, this is a VERY typical result. Still stunning video!


Right. As far as I know, in video mode, you have to manually focus everything, without even the benefit of a focus confirmation light. It's not easy to manually focus through a relatively little camera viewfinder while a cat is moving around.

It's going to be tricky to really make use of the video feature.



Dec 06, 2008 at 11:01 PM
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p.225 #9 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


I see a rig that encompasses a small (hooded) LCD readout for those seriously needing critical focus. Even better, an angle finder/ b&w viewfinder. The possibilities for development are there and we're only at the infant stages.


Dec 06, 2008 at 11:49 PM
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CMOS wrote:
Right. As far as I know, in video mode, you have to manually focus everything, without even the benefit of a focus confirmation light. It's not easy to manually focus through a relatively little camera viewfinder while a cat is moving around.

It's going to be tricky to really make use of the video feature.


You just press the "AF-ON" button next to the * button on the back to focus in video mode. You also can't use the viewfinder, as the mirror has to be flipped up to record video. So it's all live-view.



Dec 07, 2008 at 12:32 AM
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p.225 #11 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


On the MacBook Pros, most people that have used them say that, to their surprise, the glossy screen is not much of an issue - the LED backlight is bright enough to overwhelm just about any reflections. The people that are still complaining are doing so on "religious" grounds, for the most part, though I can understand the reluctance to buy a new machine with the assurance that "you'll get used to it" (but most buyers have said that's the case).

The lack of a button under the trackpad doesn't bother me that much, as I use the "tap on pad" for mouseclick function, and that still works, as far as I know. I can't imagine trying to do anything complex in Photoshop or similar with a trackpad - that calls for a mouse or, much better, a small graphics tablet (even the Bamboo Fun works fine).

On the 5D2 video-mode AF, it's not recommended to use the AF-ON button, even though it does work - it tends to boost the gain dramatically in order to acquire focus, then gradually ramp it back down once it achieves focus. It's very noticeable, and would need to be edited out. Better to get used to focusing manually and, most importantly, make use of magnification in LiveView to achieve critical focus.

Remember, it's NOT a camcorder. Personally, I'm thrilled at that - I shot with an HD camcorder for over a year, never liked it, and have no interest in revisiting the experience. I'm willing to put the work in to make use of the the MUCH better quality from the 5D2's video mode, but realize that it's not for everyone.



Dec 07, 2008 at 01:01 AM
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p.225 #12 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Initial 5DMkII Sport Shooting Thoughts:

so I got to shoot half a match of men's NCAA soccer today.

originally, before release, I harped a lot on the 5dmkii's old AF,shutter,mirror. I guessed the AF would be the most annoying thing for sports, followed by mirror blackout, fps and then shutter lag. I have changed my mind about some things and certianyl that ordering.

I was in a rush and originally forgot to turn off the IS on 300 and I had not field set the micro-focus calibration or set the center point AF expansion.

I started looking things over and was like oh nooo, this isn't better than the 50D is it? it's not even as good. it has to be. it is. but is it really? but I did keep in mind I had been playing with the stuff mentioned above.

Anyway, most happily, all of a sudden part way through the shoot it was just shot after shot after shot with bang on perfect focus! Maybe it was the IS messign with it at first, or maybe the center expansion made the largest difference, etc. whatever the case once I got it set how it should be set, I was actually pretty impressed. Granted it was the sort of lighting that my 40D and even 20D had done the very best at, when ti came to sports shooting, so this is hardly the definitve test, there was no glaring sun or backlighting (which both seemed to make my 40D almost entirely blind at times). All the same, it really did seem to pass with flying colors. Definitely a step toward the 1 series from the xxD.

When I put on the TC results did go down. Maybe I didn't set the MF adjust ideally for that combo. Maybe the TC always puts on this much of a hit and a native lens like a 500 f/4 or whatnot would do better. Or maybe only a 1 series can deliver the 1/3 DOF at f/4 and critical shot after shot for sprots at these high apertures. Anyway, at least it was not worse than a 300 + TC on a 50D (and was better than my 20D and 40D did with that combo, as is the 50D).

But my first impression was that it seemed pretty sports capable, at least with fast lenses and comfortable lighting. Can't say more yet. There were somewhat less direct on charges than normal so that didn't get quite as solid of a test either.

The fps are just DOG slow. DOG SLOW. Nearly useless for action sequences since by the time the 2nd frame comes around the action if often too out of ideal spot. I mean it is better than nothing, and ok maybe I'm overstating a bit, but you do get noticeably less double key pics per sequence than at 5fps and lots less than at 6.3fps. That said, often the best pics of all are the one shot timed ones, so maybe it's not so bad. I'd need to shoot another full game to see how badly or not it impacts take.

The shutter lag IS pretty beastly too. It's not quite so bad that you can't learn to adjust to it and I think I should be able to reliably adjust. Sometimes it is just too slow to catch a moment since you can't always anticipate in time. So you will lose some shots, again I can't say how many yet.

When I picked up my 50D again my god did it feel fast, felt like it was 15fps and 10ms lag and like it was going to run out of my hands though so yeah the xxD series, at least the current models, do entirely smoke the 5DMkII in terms of body performance feel, aside from AF (where 5d seems as fast as the fastest xxD and faster than the older xxD and likely better than all aside from perhaps the outer focus points).

But anyway if you focus a bit more on key one shots and learn to adjust to the shutter lag, the AF does seem to do pretty damn well with my 300mm f/2.8 at least under those fairly ideal shooting conditions, which is a lot better than I had feared. I'm honestly not sure the 1DMkIIn I've tried a few times would've done that sequence of shooting I did there today any better at all in terms of AF with the fast lens.

I'm almost thinking that I might end up not having any gripes about the AF in the end at all. But there are plenty of things I have not done with it yet.

I should add that I tend to almost never use the outer AF points, so I really can't say about those, quite a few people are saying they are awful and worse than the 40D/50D, but I have no clue.

All in all, despite the shutter/mirror/fps, I'm actually reasonably excited about it for sports.



Dec 07, 2008 at 02:18 AM
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p.225 #13 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


burychka wrote:
Yes. I don't know what the reviews say, but I shoot a lot at ISO 800 and 1600, and I good pretty sharp photos with the 20D, while the 40D is quite disappointing in low light.
If you are using a 5D2 as a pro, then I don't see how a crop camera could be your backup for other than extreme emergencies. The focal lengths of your lenses would be all different in effect. Indeed, you would lose wide angle, unless you have one of the extreme "digital" lenses like the Canon 10-22. It would drive me crazy, if I were
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Yeah that's very true. Unfortunately I think the 5D bodies will be going at circa £800 second hand in the UK for quite some time now, making the 40D an easy cheap quality option. TBH, I'll more than likely end up just keep my 20D. It will suffice in those situations where any photo is better than no photo.

And honestly, pre-ordering things is HELL! How do you guys do it?!



Dec 07, 2008 at 08:45 AM
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rnb2 wrote:
On the MacBook Pros, most people that have used them say that, to their surprise, the glossy screen is not much of an issue - the LED backlight is bright enough to overwhelm just about any reflections. The people that are still complaining are doing so on "religious" grounds, for the most part, though I can understand the reluctance to buy a new machine with the assurance that "you'll get used to it" (but most buyers have said that's the case).

I'm a PC guy, but I have a Dell laptop with the "glossy" screen, and I can say this about it:
1. Thank goodness I don't use that computer for photo editing. Turning up the brightness to compensate for room reflections would be a major conflict with calibrating and profiling a monitor.
2. "Getting used to it" seems to mean changing your seat or turning sideways or closing the blinds. I had to get used to that, except for the closing the blinds thing, for weak wireless signals. Thank goodness I could get a repeater for the wireless. Glossy screen is still an annoyance, and I'm pretty sure it's not a religious issue.
3. I don't think I would buy a photo editing monitor with a glossy screen, even though I do my editing in a mostly darkened room.
FWIW.



Dec 07, 2008 at 10:30 AM
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I think we should look at the long term impact of glossy/glass screen. All our work will eventually be displayed on these devices whether we like it or not. If you plan to display it on pbase, flickr or youtube it'll be viewed as the days go by on growing glossy/glass display user base.

So as early as now we have to adjust already lest our work be improperly displayed on the latest and greatest.

It is like you being a web designer insisting on limiting yourself to Mosaic or Netscape version 1 when everyone now uses Firefox Safari or IE7



Dec 07, 2008 at 11:51 AM
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I was just playing with my 40D and 5D mark II. The half-press on the 5dII is really mushy by comparison.

Does anyone else feel this?

Personally, I don't care for it. I like the more solid/defined half-press.



Dec 07, 2008 at 12:27 PM
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Have not received my 5D II yet, but I thought focusing is achieved via the new AF-On-Lock button, rather than half-pressing the shutter-button?

-rce- wrote:
I was just playing with my 40D and 5D mark II. The half-press on the 5dII is really mushy by comparison.

Does anyone else feel this?

Personally, I don't care for it. I like the more solid/defined half-press.




Dec 07, 2008 at 01:39 PM
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Skibum, that was a nice write up on your experience with the 5D mkII and the 300 f/2.8. I have not shot that combo yet but that's my next trick. I've gotten up to my 200 f/2.8 and so far it's been good. Seems that AI Servo works fairly well so far.

I tried the center point expansion and don't seem to have had the luck as you with it. Seem to have more keepers with out using it (shooting deer). Perhaps I need to test it out some more but even on my mkIIn I was not fond of it and the results seem to be about the same.

I would like to know what you meant by doing the "field" micro adjustments. Did you already know your 300 was needing it and do you find the need to check each lens? Just asking because this is my first camera with the micro adjustments.

I've also found the AWB to be on the cool side outdoors. Have you noticed this?

Thanks again for your post.

Gil

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Dec 07, 2008 at 02:19 PM
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bobbytan wrote:
Have not received my 5D II yet, but I thought focusing is achieved via the new AF-On-Lock button, rather than half-pressing the shutter-button?

-rce- wrote:
You can use either. By using the AF-ON you are not messing with the exposure setting and it's good for tracking a moving object.



Dec 07, 2008 at 02:20 PM
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-rce- wrote:
I was just playing with my 40D and 5D mark II. The half-press on the 5dII is really mushy by comparison.

Does anyone else feel this?

Personally, I don't care for it. I like the more solid/defined half-press.


Have you used a 5D? The 5D is 'mushier' than the 20D I know. Perhaps the 5D II uses the same shutter button as the 5D?



Dec 07, 2008 at 02:30 PM
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