Canon Hq is aware of the demand (they created it), and if they are on the ball, the assembly lines should be cranking these out - why choke a cashflow opportunity in a weak economy?
It doesn't work that way.
When production starts, they may be at 60% capacity. After a month (if everything goes well), they may be at 80%. If required, they could move to 90% after another month. But, no company wants to ever work at 100% capacity. That leaves no downtime in the lines for maintenance.
Gil_W wrote:
Perhaps it is because I cut my dSLR teeth on the 20D and 1Ds, plus the small LCDs from the late '90s P&S (which if you used too much you drained the batteries in no time flat) I just don't use my LCD for much more then checking an occasional exposure. Other then that I have my LCDs turned off and very rarely chimp
I started way before those bodies, but I personally use mine a lot and chimp. Being able to check for closed eyes, sharpness, and whether I got the shot or not is of great help. I don't often use it for color rendition, but certainly to look at histograms and review shots, settings and even have started using live view quite a bit when I have to be extremely quiet or want to very meticulously manually focus.
Chimping got a bad rap from many photogs awhile back...But the funny thing...At practically every event I cover, every other photog out there is doing just that. To me, it's a tool and I'll use it to my advantage when I can. But that's not to say someone is wrong by not using it. Just different strokes for .....
skibum5 wrote:
holy cow I like this performance!
and at highish ISO too with no NR.
all that follow are 100% crops, used DNG to convert so CS3 ACR could read the files, used zero luma NR in ACR and none in CS3, used some basic +14 chroma NR (ACR default is like 25 or something so this is not much), did some levels and sharpening and all that jazz but NO NR.
keep in mind a wintry overcast late afternoon, so lighting was VERY flat.
also they were all handheld (IS used though)
Wow, I am really impressed with the ISO 1600 100% crop!
apdieb wrote:
I started way before those bodies, but I personally use mine a lot and chimp. Being able to check for closed eyes, sharpness, and whether I got the shot or not is of great help. I don't often use it for color rendition, but certainly to look at histograms and review shots, settings and even have started using live view quite a bit when I have to be extremely quiet or want to very meticulously manually focus.
Chimping got a bad rap from many photogs awhile back...But the funny thing...At practically every event I cover, every other photog out there is doing just that. To me, it's a tool and I'll use it to my advantage when I can. But that's not to say someone is wrong by not using it. Just different strokes for .....
I agree. Why wouldn't I want to know if I got what I am after? Why would I wait to get back and process the image to find out that what I wanted sharp isn't or maybe nothing is sharp or the look wasn't quite right, etc etc. Yes is is a tool and and great one.
jamato8 wrote:
I agree. Why wouldn't I want to know if I got what I am after? Why would I wait to get back and process the image to find out that what I wanted sharp isn't or maybe nothing is sharp or the look wasn't quite right, etc etc. Yes is is a tool and and great one.
yeah it's nice that starting with the 50D/5DMkII you can actually zoom into a full-res (if highly compressed) jpg and actually check for stuff like that, on all the older cams the mini-jpg you zoomed into was like 2MP or something so it would hide all sorts of motion blur/OOF/etc.
some testing of mine (as well as that of some others) seems to show that the 5DMkII has similar per pixel read noise to the 40D at lowest ISO, about 1/2 stop better by ISO500 and jsut about a full stop better at ISO1600 read noise per pixel.
again that is only talking about read noise and per pixel
the 5dmkii photosites are larger than the 40D and should collect more light and the total sensor area is a lot larger so per same framed image should bring in lots more
my guess is at ISO100 5dmkii should look a trace better than the xxD at 100% view and a something more than a stop better at ISO1600 at 100% view and much larger gains if comparing per image.
it seems like there is a limit that makes it tough for them to get lower than a certain point, thus no better at ISO100 than a 40D for per pixel read noise (perahsp even a touch worse actually) but they did something great, maybe with the amp, since when it boosts more, like at high ISO the read noise is really nice and low now. Someone else test seemed to show similar read noise to the 1dsmkiii at lower iso but almost twice as good at the highest ISOs!
I also found that ISO160 has the lowest read noise on the 40D/50D/5DMkII (at price of losing something like 1/3 stop of highlights) of ANY ISO and on the 5DMkII ISO640 also had lower read noise than ISO400 (not so on 40D and 50D but it was close).
Also found that if shooting RAW it probably makes NO sense to ever use above ISO1600. Tests appear to indicate that noise just keeps rising directly after ISO1600 and ISO3200 has 2x that at ISO1600 so even though it is now 'real' it appears to be of no real benefit, at leat for the RAW shooter, in fact using the higher ISOs for RAW seems to lop off the highlights that you can protect if you shoot ISO1600 and then push. A couple others also found this out with their own tests a while back.
Thanks for the download, I`m seeing a cross between the look of the 1dsmk2 and 1dsmk3. The image just has that slightly sharper look to it than I`m used to seeing from my 1dsmk3. The mk3 images are slightly softer out of the camera in raw but seem to be able to stand a bit more pp.
Am I seeing jaggies on the roof area of a couple of the buildings?
skibum5 wrote:
Also found that if shooting RAW it probably makes NO sense to ever use above ISO1600. Tests appear to indicate that noise just keeps rising directly after ISO1600 and ISO3200 has 2x that at ISO1600 so even though it is now 'real' it appears to be of no real benefit, at leat for the RAW shooter, in fact using the higher ISOs for RAW seems to lop off the highlights that you can protect if you shoot ISO1600 and then push. A couple others also found this out with their own tests a while back.
1600 is the upper limit that 5D MarkII sensor can make noiseless shoots? and after that only utilitising internal noise reducer (actually working only in JPG output files) could give near noiseless pictures?
The only reason that we could talk for a DSLR High ISO perfomance is in RAW mode. And of course in that maner we are see only the sensor side of the perfomance but remeber that its better to start with best sensor and optics performanc and then PP with a nice software.
Well I have to make some tests (Again) with my 1DMarkIII to see how it performs in 1600 and up ISO .
jamato8 wrote:
Sure the samples are enjoyable to look at. I don't get all the fuss about what may or may not be showing up in the processing. I have gotten the general idea and I like what I see, a lot. Just enjoy, life is short.
Where the hell is the Camera. What is Canon doing? I thought for sure if I stayed out of the Canon Forums for a good couple of month and then take a poke around the holidays maybe this puppy would be released. I guess not. Does anyone know when this camera is going to be released? Thanks Dan
Chefdaniel wrote:
Where the hell is the Camera. What is Canon doing? I thought for sure if I stayed out of the Canon Forums for a good couple of month and then take a poke around the holidays maybe this puppy would be released. I guess not. Does anyone know when this camera is going to be released? Thanks Dan
It's already released. Contact your reseller to find out why your pre-order has not been fulfilled.
CMOS wrote:
Cute
Judging by the posts here, 99%+ of preorders haven't been filled yet.
It seems that the people that ordered from the big etailers have not received their cameras and the ones that ordered from the B&M stores are receiving them. This might be purposely done on Canon's part to try to help the local stores stay in business,
jerrykur wrote:
It seems that the people that ordered from the big etailers have not received their cameras and the ones that ordered from the B&M stores are receiving them. This might be purposely done on Canon's part to try to help the local stores stay in business,
Obviously, but maybe idea is that Canon has made a better QC for the 5D cameras this time and the amount of the ready to sell cameras are low. If they tried to distribute their first batch equaly through all shops the small ones has enough to cover their most of their clients (10-20 over 30 preoderd) and big shops just covers the same amount of their clients over 300 preorderd. Thats why I always prefer the best small shop
David Massengi wrote:
haha, yeah, I would love to, but it just doesn't make sense paying an extra $325 in taxes.
I would love to support my little local camera store, but taxes alone will pay for extra mkII batteries and a good part of the grip. If you add their mark up, the grip is paid for.
It's ashame the way it is, but that's the way internet business has changed
shopping worldwide.
